No masks at Walmart?

[Wandering Oaken]

I would imagine that a police officer asking to see your receipt is the officer performing a Terry stop. It is sad that officers are so poorly trained that they would perform a stop and frisk for every person leaving a store.

The courts would slap down the officer and their department very firmly.

Completely not what is happening. Nor what anyone here has discussed happening.

 

[kdonnel]

I don't think paying for a club warehouse is any different than walking into Walmart.

The paid membership is what makes walking out of BJs, Costco, or Sam's Club different than walking out of Walmart.

https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2014/10/why_i_have_always_refused_cost.html

A Circuit City employee blocked a man named Michael Righi from entering his car after he refused a receipt check in Cleveland, Ohio. Righi called the police, only to be arrested by the officer he called! All charges were dropped, of course, but Righi's horrific experience, as well as Walls', reveals the uncomfortable fact that the actual legalities of receipt checks are unknown by virtually everyone involved in them: customers, employees, even some police officers.

As we see it unfold almost daily in the news, Police training is woefully inadequate.

I have the audacity to believe that, like all Americans, I am innocent of a crime until proven guilty in a court of law. I "feel entitled" to live in a society where innocent people and their goods can move freely without fear of detention or the requirement to produce papers at the whim of officials or even other citizens.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The point is not whether you paid for a membership. The point is you agreed to the membership agreement. Part of the membership agreement is you agree to provide the receipt. Same with the DL. Again, courts have ruled that DWI checkpoints are legal. Courts have also ruled forcing someone to show a receipt from a store the public is allowed in (ie: no membership required) is NOT legal.

I fully understood the point about the membership and I gave my opinion on questioning the veracity of people's convictions who put a "but" clause in xyz. I wasn't even talking about DWI.

Man I just can't even with all this. People have a lot of energy on this. Wonder if any of this energy is being put to good use to you know "fight the system" rather than making the employees live arbitrarily harder. Imagine what could be accomplished if all this mindless circle of a discussion actually went somewhere..

The paid membership is what makes walking out of BJs, Costco, or Sam's Club different than walking out of Walmart.

https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2014/10/why_i_have_always_refused_cost.html



As we see it unfold almost daily in the news, Police training is woefully inadequate.

It would appear you didn't get my point but you have proved my point



Either way I'm done with the whole thing, it's not worth getting sucked in any more than I already have

 

[kdonnel]

Completely not what is happening. Nor what anyone here has discussed happening.

An officer asking for a receipt at the door of Walmart is performing a warrantless search.

If I don't give consent and my receipt is not in plain view how else is it categorized? Is he in hot pursuit?, is this an emergency?, has he arrested me?, or does the receipt check double as a DUI checkpoint? If the answer is no to all of those then he must be performing a stop and frisk if he does anything other than say have a nice day when I refuse to provide my receipt.

 

[sam_gordon]

Completely not what is happening. Nor what anyone here has discussed happening.

As a former police officer, did you not have to have probable cause that someone has committed a crime before you detained them? At least a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed? If not, what else is this business or off duty police officer allowed to do? Can they force someone to give up what's in their purse/clothing? Can they frisk them? Can they require a strip search?

 

[kdonnel]

rather than making the employees live arbitrarily harder

Everyone keeps saying it makes the employees life harder.

How?

If anything me walking past a line of 10 people waiting in line to show their receipt makes their life easier. One less person to hassle. I am never rude, they are never rude in return.

 

[sam_gordon]

I fully understood the point about the membership and I gave my opinion on questioning the veracity of people's convictions who put a "but" clause in xyz. I wasn't even talking about DWI.

Man I just can't even with all this. People have a lot of energy on this. Wonder if any of this energy is being put to good use to you know "fight the system" rather than making the employees live arbitrarily harder. Imagine what could be accomplished if all this mindless circle of a discussion actually went somewhere..
It would appear you didn't get my point but you have proved my point

Believe me, I've spent more time on this thread than having to refuse a receipt check in my entire life. And please explain how it makes the employees life "arbitrarily harder". That's not different than those who claim I "look down" at the employee or consider them "a POS".

 

[kelpricer]

It was said earlier somewhere that Walmart does this to cut down on theft from the store. If I can help cut down on theft in my local store why wouldn’t I? Cutting down on theft helps my community in the long run, right? I do things daily that I don’t have to do legally but because it’s a kind thing to do or helpful thing to do. If 3 seconds of my time showing a receipt can help cut down on crime I really couldn’t care less if it’s my “right” to refuse.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Y'all can figure out why it makes the employees job harder, I'm sure of that I have the upmost confidence that you can if you want to, I'm positive you can, I believe you can

Anywho back to the thread topic for me!

 

[rotlex]

Wow, talk about a thread de-rail, lol.

Back on topic.....I for one have worn a full hazmat suit to Walmart pre, during and post mask requirements. Actually, I try to avoid the store altogether unless I'm attempting to punish myself for a multitude of sins I may have committed the previous week......

 

[Mysterian]

In regards to me posting days ago that the mask sign was still up at Walmart, it's gone now. It was a mixed group of masked and unmasked. In the same post I mentioned that I don't want to be stabbed by meth heads, and that stands, so I refrained from asking said meth heads for their receipt. Though I'm a customer and that receipt makes no diff, I just want everyone to know my stance on being stabbed: I'm still firmly against it.

 

[C&Jx2]

At my local Walmart yesterday about 25% were maskless. I have a sneaking suspicion those who dropped the masks aren’t the vaccinated ones.

 

[OregonDisDad]

You have no right to protest on private property. You can try but they can also force you to leave.

The fact that people are willing to spend minutes making a scene and discussing with a manager to avoid seconds of employee checking a receipt kind of shows how ridiculous this subject is.

I actually was thinking more about the protesting the mask requirement (the initial point of the thread), but I’m not sure it makes a difference what you are protesting. If I feel I’m being because of the color of my skin, I certainly have the right to protest that as well.

Regarding where people can protest, there is no restriction to protesting on private property. Just as those who protested Walgreens in the 1960 Nashville sit ins. I do agree, though, that peaceful likely ends when the police come and ask you to leave (though all the poster really commented on here is objecting to the mask policy to employees).

 

[OregonDisDad]

It didn't sound like the author of the thread was going to say something based on infringing of personal liberty. I think that says a lot about the author of the thread (in a good way). I think they were just confused because they heard one thing. That seems to be why many people are asking about signs, bringing up the difference between Walmart policy and facilities inside Walmart and more. I'm not sure why the conversation has to jump to civil/personal liberties especially if the author of the thread isn't going to make it about it.

Correct. We got there because somebody else said they had no right to right to say something about the Walmart apparently not following the announced company policy.

 

[Wandering Oaken]

An officer asking for a receipt at the door of Walmart is performing a warrantless search.

If I don't give consent and my receipt is not in plain view how else is it categorized? Is he in hot pursuit?, is this an emergency?, has he arrested me?, or does the receipt check double as a DUI checkpoint? If the answer is no to all of those then he must be performing a stop and frisk if he does anything other than say have a nice day when I refuse to provide my receipt.

In the capacity of an on-duty police officer then yes. In the capacity of a store paid off-duty officer then no. If that is too hard to understand I am not sure what else to do to help you. I am too d*** old to argue on the internet. I leave that for the juveniles. Have a nice day.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Correct. We got there because somebody else said they had no right to right to say something about the Walmart apparently not following the announced company policy.

Oh I missed that! Where was that?

 

[Southernmiss]

I was out shopping in 2 department stores and our Neighborhood Walmart yesterday evening. Some patrons wore masks, some did not. I'd say there were still a majority wearing masks.

All employees at both stores were wearing masks, must still be their store's policy for employees. In one department store, the precautionary reminders were still being announced on the overhead from time to time. The signs were down, but the hand sanitizers and cleaning products were visible.

I shopped at the department stores with 2 of our college kids who needed clothes and with DH later at the Walmart. We all are fully vaccinated and wore masks out of respect for others and it was not a problem for us. And the kids were able to use dressing rooms to try on clothes.

And no one asked to check our receipt on the way out of Walmart.

 

[emily nicole]

I'm in TN. The mask requirement has been dropped from Walmart here. I'd say maybe 5% of people in Walmart are wearing one anymore, which is interesting, because the vaccinated rate in our area is only 30%. Lol.

 

[handinpocket]

At my local Walmart yesterday about 25% were maskless. I have a sneaking suspicion those who dropped the masks aren’t the vaccinated ones.

Yes, because we all know who wants to KEEP the masks hysteria going, to further divide people. Several studies have shown masks do nothing to control the virus, only to keep droplets ,from coughing, from spreading. If you have your vaccine, don't worry what others are or are not doing.

 

[sam_gordon]

Y'all can figure out why it makes the employees job harder, I'm sure of that I have the upmost confidence that you can if you want to, I'm positive you can, I believe you can

Anywho back to the thread topic for me!

Wait, let me get this right. You make a claim (about turning down the receipt check makes the employee's job harder), you get challenged on that statement by myself and @kdonnel, and your answer is "you can figure it out." OK.