No expiration day tickets expire in 2030

[cyb]

Is this correct? I think I read this on the Disney website when I was linking my tickets to my MB

 

[montrealdisneylovers]

No expiration should mean that they do not expire although I believe I have seen this somewhere also. The tickets I currently have say no expiration on them. They do not say expire in 2030. Curious to get more info as well.

 

[Reddog1134]

Any chance you can get a screen shot?

 

[cyb]

I don't have another MB to link to tickets so I can't get a screen shot and I don't know how to get back to that page otherwise

 

[dvc at last !]

We have non-expiring tickets. Am interested in know this, but
2030 is 15 years from now !

 

[sachilles]

Typically, the systems require an expiration date as a matter of process. As a result you end up with an arbitrary date in the future that you hope never becomes an issue. Should it be an issue, it will get re issued at that time.
Some states lost property laws require expiration as well. So while it technically may have a systematic expiration date, it's likely a non issue. It won't likely be an issue with 99% of the purchasers anyway.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Typically, the systems require an expiration date as a matter of process. As a result you end up with an arbitrary date in the future that you hope never becomes an issue. Should it be an issue, it will get re issued at that time.
Some states lost property laws require expiration as well. So while it technically may have a systematic expiration date, it's likely a non issue. It won't likely be an issue with 99% of the purchasers anyway.

This is correct...

Unless they have purchased a completely different entitlement system (bet the farm they haven't)...there cannot be an "open ended" ticket. Expiration is part of the parameters of the system...
It's never been a problem and it would be reissued if it were...

On a side note...how is the shoe dropping on the no expiration elimination going over? Any thoughts?

 

[cyb]

I know 2030 is 15 years away but there are people who stock up on non expiration tickets to fight the yearly price increases, for example I have bought several multiple day non expiration tickets at will call that I haven't picked up yet that I bought a few years ago and I still have 4 days left on my current ticket.

 

[Reddog1134]

Typically, the systems require an expiration date as a matter of process. As a result you end up with an arbitrary date in the future that you hope never becomes an issue. Should it be an issue, it will get re issued at that time.
Some states lost property laws require expiration as well. So while it technically may have a systematic expiration date, it's likely a non issue. It won't likely be an issue with 99% of the purchasers anyway.

Makes sense. I work for a distribution company and we have to have a shipping date in the system for all items. So if we don't know when it's shipping, we input a date in the far future.

 

[sachilles]

There are a couple of battles within a company that would be fighting on how to do this.
The accountants generally don't like having a liability on the books if they can help it. A non-expiring ticket is a huge liability. So they put in the date to expire it off the books and reclaim the breakage as revenue. Then when person X shows up at the door with an expired 'no expiration date ticket', you make it a guest service issue and re-issue likely as a complimentary product.

The computer will want an expiration date, as a ticketing system basically operates on the premise of expiration dates, uses or both.
You would need to re-load this purchase products with every re-load of the ticketing system, and maintaining a valid product linking it to a customer beyond 15 years is not very likely. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it just isn't practical. I'm sure they know just how many are out there and what usage stats are on them.
It will undoubtedly be a customer service issue in 2030, but in the grand scheme it will not touch a lot of people.

I've been on the accounting and IT side of these systems(until recently) for the last 18 years. The tech changes dramatically year to year. Some times the most mundane products are complicated to implement. Occasionally marketing sides of a company dream up products, that are just plain diabolical implement in the field. More often than not it requires 20% more effort to sell a customer and discounted product. If it costs you more to sell something for less, it doesn't make for something you keep around all that long.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I know 2030 is 15 years away but there are people who stock up on non expiration tickets to fight the yearly price increases, for example I have bought several multiple day non expiration tickets at will call that I haven't picked up yet that I bought a few years ago and I still have 4 days left on my current ticket.

I wonder How many are like you out there?

I know my inlaws do it (one set just bought DVC)

We are serial offenders ( but reducing our frequency and definitely reducing spending while there)...but I always leaned towards Florida or annual passes...
If I'm bothering to spend while I'm there...why do I want to cap my gate entries and deal with that headache?...at Least that was my choice.

It appears the stockpiling will come to a crashing end within days. Everyone will be tied to retail.

And from a marketing standpoint - they are wise to push wdw travelers into passes...it encourages more travel and more timeshare buys...
So if there's incentives going forward to purchase tickets...it will be there.

The writing was on the wall several years ago... First when they eliminated no expiration at Disneyland... But also when they took the option off the signs at ticket booths in Orlando.

I imagine the delay in killing it there was more logistics or impact studies.

 

[POOHsie]

Disney used to have resort beverage mugs that you could buy then bring back year after year for refills ... Then when the rapid refill computerized mug program came out, Disney said those old "forever" mugs were only meant to last until that program ended, not until forever. So I have some skepticism about what the term "non-expire" tickets actually means to Disney.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Disney used to have resort beverage mugs that you could buy then bring back year after year for refills ... Then when the rapid refill computerized mug program came out, Disney said those old "forever" mugs were only meant to last until that program ended, not until forever. So I have some skepticism about what the term "non-expire" tickets actually means to Disney.

I do not recall the original resort mugs...but I do know that the "throughout your stay" policy on the mugs was in place for many years long before the electronic tags. They let it slide 99% of the time.
The electronic system is more of a way of enforcing an established policy with the "bad guy" being a machine. Orwellian.

I mean - its stupid - the cost there is minimal and the satisfaction for the customers is much higher than the lost "revenue" to charge...

But I get your point. Disney is not into "lifetime" pricing...they want a continued increase in return on the same products. Tickets are now included in that - it's passing along a huge cost to customers. Which they will eat drunk on dust.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Disney used to have resort beverage mugs that you could buy then bring back year after year for refills ... Then when the rapid refill computerized mug program came out, Disney said those old "forever" mugs were only meant to last until that program ended, not until forever. So I have some skepticism about what the term "non-expire" tickets actually means to Disney.

I do not recall the original resort mugs...but I do know that the "throughout your stay" policy on the mugs was in place for many years long before the electronic tags. They let it slide 99% of the time.
The electronic system is more of a way of enforcing an established policy with the "bad guy" being a machine. Orwellian.

I mean - its stupid - the cost there is minimal and the satisfaction for the customers is much higher than the lost "revenue" to charge...

But I get your point. Disney is not into "lifetime" pricing...they want a continued increase in return on the same products. Tickets are now included in that - it's passing along a huge cost to customers. Which they will eat drunk on dust.

 

[Lewisc]

I had to call to get some old, pre bar code, tickets linked. The ticket first showed up with a 2030 expiration date. I was told the date would automatically be extended if I hadn't already used the ticket. The ticket now shows up as no-expiry.

 

[seashoreCM]

When you put your ticket admissions on the Magic Band, is there still a descriptive notation such as "non-exp" or "NE" somewhere such as viewable in My Disney Experience?

Such a notation means just that, "does not expire."

 

[doconeill]

There are a couple of battles within a company that would be fighting on how to do this.
The accountants generally don't like having a liability on the books if they can help it. A non-expiring ticket is a huge liability. So they put in the date to expire it off the books and reclaim the breakage as revenue. Then when person X shows up at the door with an expired 'no expiration date ticket', you make it a guest service issue and re-issue likely as a complimentary product.

Is it that big of a liability? How does a non-expiration ticket, or for that matter an expiring but unused ticket, look on the books? They've already realized the income. They are not giving up an asset when the guest shows up to use the ticket - it is a service, which at some level is not really any extra cost to them (infinitesimally small at least).

I used to think of them as a liability, but the only liability they really have is having to keep records of them in the database until they actually do get used up.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Is it that big of a liability? How does a non-expiration ticket, or for that matter an expiring but unused ticket, look on the books? They've already realized the income. They are not giving up an asset when the guest shows up to use the ticket - it is a service, which at some level is not really any extra cost to them (infinitesimally small at least).

I used to think of them as a liability, but the only liability they really have is having to keep records of them in the database until they actually do get used up.

Agree...this is not really an issue.

It's not that they are looking at it as a "liability"...
It's that they are looking at the NE option as a longterm "loss" of future potential revenue

 

[Lewisc]

They've already realized the income. They are not giving up an asset when the guest shows up to use the ticket - it is a service, which at some level is not really any extra cost to them (infinitesimally small at least).

Probably not true. They've already realized the revenue. Disney (probably) has a liability entry for tickets sold but not yet used. In other words, from an accounting perspective, Disney hasn't realized the entire purchase price as income. Magazines companies show a liability for prepaid subscriptions

I doubt the numbers are significant, but the bean counters are counting every penny. I suspect keeping track of old tickets is a PITA for Disney. People who can't find old tickets, or don't know how many days are left, wind up calling Disney. Current MYW pricing makes no-expiry tickets a bad deal for most vacationers. Disney isn't looking to give great "deals" to guests who only want to visit one day.

 

[doconeill]

Probably not true. They've already realized the revenue. Disney (probably) has a liability entry for tickets sold but not yet used. In other words, from an accounting perspective, Disney hasn't realized the entire income. Magazines companies show a liability for prepaid subscriptions

But the difference is, a magazine company still has to deliver a physical product to the pre-paid customers that costs them real money to produce. What is the cost differential to Disney to allow a person entry into the parks? It's a much more vague concept with a liability that is very, very small, as they don't have to pay another CM just because that one person entered the park.

If they want to defer the revenue, maybe that's an issue, but I'm a long way from my accounting courses in college...