No Carsland at DHS?

[lockedoutlogic]

If you are traveling as far as that , to go to disney resorts, then you are seriously in the minority. Most people are not that into disney or can afford to do so.

The core audience IS that into Disney...

And while you bring up a valid point in cost... The truth is that Disney doesn't care.
They built wdw around the concept of "once In a lifetime" type trips...maybe every few years if you were lucky.
But then that became less of the emphasis...and the emphasis has shifted towards a repeat clientele with No worries in the bank account.

And that's where we are now.

 

[jamarmiller]

The core audience IS that into Disney...

..............

I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing here, are you using CORE audience to be synonymous with Majority of guest ?

 

[tjkraz]

For the 5 percent that do/can/will go to both, Less would be the answer, but I am betting that a good percentage of the 5 percent that can/will/do has more reasons already to go than just Disney ( to go so far ) . ( I dont go to Florida, Tokyo or Hong Kong, ( or in the future Shanghai ) JUST FOR DISNEY, its part of the trip, an extra bonus and hardly the sole reason for traveling so far ) .

For the other 95 percent that NEVER travel that far , not a difference at all.

People here are in the minority, we love disney, we want to go to Disney all over the world, we want to do the cruise ect ect. but we are really really a small minority.

You can throw whatever fictitious numbers at it that you wish, but the reality is more people will visit BOTH Disneyland AND Walt Disney World with unique attractions at each. Anecdotal evidence suggests that's already happening, with a noticeable increase in folks claiming they have made their first visit to DL since the opening of Cars Land.

There are reasons for strategic duplication. Star Tours comes immediately to mind. With the ride systems already in place, it was only logical for both WDW and DL to upgrade to the current enhanced edition rather than leaving one running the 25 year old version just for the sake of variety.

Disney's Parks and Resorts turned a profit of $1.9 BILLION in fiscal 2012. And that's just one year.

Even if it is only 5% of the audience frequenting both Resort complexes, that's better than the 1% or 2% they might get with near identical parks on both coasts. A few million dollars in added development overhead to create UNIQUE experiences is a small price to pay for attractions designed to remain in place 20 years or more.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing here, are you using CORE audience to be synonymous with Majority of guest ?

No... I'm talking about the 25-40% of wdw customers on any given day of the year that use DVC, annual passes, Florida residents, or are multiple trips a year types.

It's not the apple... It's the core. And Disney has spent 25 or so years attempting to develop and "flesh that out"...and it's a very lucrative segment that all travelers and their revenues are built upon.

But, no offense, you're on the disboards... This is the core who ARE that into Disney...the casual one timers aren't here anyway. And the number that fall Into that category have become less of the "backbone" Business that they once were.

But no...I'm not talking about everyone.

 

[wdwgreg]

Over 1 million visitors a year go from the UK to Orlando airport, now obviously not all of them are British as many have to fly from somewhere else in Europe to London first, but i would bet that the vast majority of them visit WDW for at least a few days, if Paris was made to be the same, or virtually the same, i bet that number would decrease dramatically, WDW needs its own unique rides to keep it a place that people are willing to travel to visit, and a place that people are willing to go further than other theme parks, like it or not International travelers are now nearly a quarter of all visitors and are growing faster than domestic visitors (according to Orlando Sentinel)

You then have to look at the South American travelers, for the vast majority of them it is WDW, but flesh out DL and keep it unique and separate from WDW and many of them would consider a trip to both, maybe alternate times, or maybe a joint trip.

The Chinese tourist is growing in importance with Hong Kong Disney and soon shanghai Disney they will get a taste of Disney theme parks, now if they are kept separate with their own rides and attractions, then once people enjoy them then the appeal is there to go and visits DL and WDW and also Tokyo, if they have the same rides then why bother traveling the extra distance?

 

[jamarmiller]

I think a lot of posters here are living in a very nice fictitious fantasy world. Please keep enjoying your fantasy, its much better than reality.

 

[beer dave]

I think a lot of posters here are living in a very nice fictitious fantasy world. Please keep enjoying your fantasy, its much better than reality.

Which part of the last few posts do you see as fantasy?

 

[jamarmiller]

Doesn't really matter does it ? my purpose isn't/wasn't to argue but to offer another opinion on the matter any ways.

Some of us are/ or will be, just going around in circles now. We just obviously completely disagree with each other. And I dont have the interest or enough invested into the argument to care enough in prolonging it.

 

[johnGorski]

I quoted with confidence this was not happening. Still a huge star wars project comming will be divided in 2-3 phases, will not be fully open till 2018-2020. Marvel land or even a theme park for DL.

 

[beer dave]

Doesn't really matter does it ? my purpose isn't/wasn't to argue but to offer another opinion on the matter any ways.

Some of us are/ or will be, just going around in circles now. We just obviously completely disagree with each other. And I dont have the interest or enough invested into the argument to care enough in prolonging it.

The only way it matters is if you want others to understand your point of view, and based on your "fantasy " post, you have something to say.

If you don't want to prolong, start by not prolonging.

 

[jamarmiller]

but I have already said it. Id just be repeating myself, if you want to know what I have to say just read my previous post.

 

[Takket]

so, the author of this thread referenced pod racers. Is that what the Star Wars section main ride would be? That's just about the last thing, as someone who grew up with movies 4, 5 and 6, I would want to see.

Where would this land go? I assume it has to be attached to the area where Star Tours already is. or would they put it somewhere else and leave Star Tours off on its own?

 

[jimmysmom74]

The fact is that DL saw a huge increase in first time visitors to DL/CA over the last 2 years. It is believed to be due to WOC and CarsLand. So if you duplicate the best thing about DL in WDW, you take that revenue away. Before the revamp of CA...that park was kind of a flop. Attendance was far from stellar. Any DL fan will tell you that.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Which part of the last few posts do you see as fantasy?

Did he/she at least leave the basketball behind so we can keep playing?

 

[beer dave]

Did he/she at least leave the basketball behind so we can keep playing?

right to the point , as always! LOL
Where's Dr. Disney when we need her.....

 

[lockedoutlogic]

right to the point , as always! LOL
Where's Dr. Disney when we need her.....

Oh yeah...that's definitely what I need to "take the edge off"

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

right to the point , as always! LOL
Where's Dr. Disney when we need her.....

~Awww, your comment is so sweet, thanks beer dave!

Oh yeah...that's definitely what I need to "take the edge off"

~LOL. *I think* I really don't know what to make of your comment. I have no idea what this means!

~Sorry guys, I don't play basketball. All I've got is lipstick and handful of air kisses to share. ***MWAH*** I hope that "takes the edge off" -- whatever that means. I wish you guys were into fashion, then we could talk all night!

~All jokes aside, don't be too tough on poor Jamar. "Cap'n" gave a very compelling argument as to why we may see this Carslands thing come to fruition at DHS and I couldn't refute any of his points, it was quite depressing.

~OMG, I really hope he is wrong about that though. I do*not* want another Carsland at DHS. I don't believe it would be nearly as nice as the one at DCA -- it would be the economical "green" version. You might as well call it "The Son of Carsland" or something. No, just no to this.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

~LOL. *I think* I really don't know what to make of your comment. I have no idea what this means!
:

I'm just playing around...as always

I'm salty...but harmless...like a llama

 

[lockedoutlogic]

The more you think about it...the less a cars clone makes sense

The primary "reason" given has been a fans "I want it" and a "it would be great"


Not even realistic

The area would be a logistically nightmare (I keep saying that because it hasn't gotten nearly enough play)
The franchise definitely has the potential to spoil (which was not much of consideration for a DCA. Park that was bleeding badly...but would be for a comparatively low overhead studios park)
And...this being the end all...would only result in a modest bump in NEW REVENUES for Disney..and they don't have interest in that.

We should all be watching for what comes out of the James Cameron development and downtown...as those could (and need to be) pivotal changes to the wdw complex.

And of course the Star Wars "things"...which like Polynesian DVC is a virtual slam dunk to be built

 

[ChoppityChops]

You're right. Star Wars DVC is the way to go. Just don't stay in the Alderaan Building!!!