Nikon D7000

Why does it matter? Is the Sony sensor good or bad? :confused3
Good, I suspect. But if Nikon is making their own -- or, possibly, designing their own and having someone build to their specs -- and the performance is good, seems to me it could be better for Nikon than using Sony's sensor.

As Mark pointed out, however, the sensor itself is only part of the equation. What the camera does with the data the sensor collects also plays a significant role. After all, Nikon used essentially the same sensor in the D300, the D90, and finally the D5000. In each successive camera body, high ISO performance got a little better (so I've read -- I've only really used the D300), despite having the same sensor.
 
Why does it matter? Is the Sony sensor good or bad? :confused3
Neither, that's kind of the amusing part. :) From what we've seen so far, I'll certainly take their 16mp APS sensor over their FF 24.6mp sensor! Or their first 14mp sensor (not the Exmoor one) - ugh! My initial comment was I had checked out some samples from the D7000 as an indicator of what to expect from the K-5 sensor. I'd say that it's more likely than not that they are both basically the same sensor (as is the A55 one), and that we'll see very similar performance from them (with the A55 being behind a little due to light loss from the mirror.) So far, it looks like it's a very, very nice sensor.

If I recall, the Nikon D3x and the Sony A900 had the same sensor and the former had significantly better performance in terms of noise and dynamic range even comparing RAW files. I can't claim to know what else in the system makes them different, but having the same sensors doesn't guarantee that you'll have comparable performance.
I dunno... I think you'll get pretty close. I think a lot of the difference is more in the jpg arena, where they've gone through whatever onboard software processes them. FWIW, Luminous Landscape did a comparo of the A900, D3x, and 5D Mk2 and found ..."
I see no significant noise difference between the Nikon D3x, Canon 5D MKII and Sony A900 up to and including ISO 800. At ISO 1600 and higher the Sony falls behind the Canon and Nikon by about 1 EV. It's simply a noisier camera at high ISO." Different, but not hugely so - and DR is likely to be even more similar. This is true with, say, the Sony 12mp sensor - assuming that it's the same sensor in the D90, K-x, D5000, A500, etc... maybe even the D300 and D300s. Yet you see a fair variety of differences in terms of ISO performance. It appears that there's still debate about the D90 using the same sensor as the D300 or not - I suspect it's an incremental evolution of basically the same sensor adding video and some other slight tweaks, like the Samsung 14mp in the K20D vs in the K-7.

All in all, I find it fun to discuss in a purely "water cooler" way - at the end of the day, it's just one component, but fun to talk about. :)
 
Does anyone have any ideas when this camera is releasing. I just found it on the web tonight and am really liking what I an reading but I can't seem to find when it is coming out.
 

I'd be careful. From what I've seen, the focus and zoom wheels on lenses for it work backwards. It's not compatible with Speedlites. It won't work with newer CF cards. It won't mount on RRS ballheads (or many other brands) without an adapter. It's completely incompatible with all OEM lenses except Nikon's own lenses. That even includes Sony lenses, despite the rumors that Sony is making the sensor. The sensor, by the way, only records reds, blues, and greens. All other colors (even common ones like flesh tones) need to be made by combining the reds, blues, and greens. I also noticed that, while they claim to have something like 16 million pixels, half of those pixels can only see green. I have no idea how people plan to get good white balance when virtually all of the lenses for it are black. It also comes in only one body style (shutter button on the right), so they have basically written off the artsy left handed crowd. Even the video has issues. Rumors have leaked out that the video will have black bars on the top and bottom when viewed on a TV that isn't "widescreen". Good luck even taking good video. I heard that the viewfinder goes black while you are recording. All-in-all, you have to wonder what Nikon was thinking this time. :duck:
 
Be careful reading a Nikon review from a Canon person! They look at the world strangely!:eek:
 
It's all correct. What part do you think is wrong? :confused3

While everything else maybe true, its also true of all other brands and not necessarily brand/model specific.

The CF part I just found extra silly for some reason.

How's the wireless flash function working on the Canon you have without a transmitter?
 
Just to be sure that anyone actually interested in the D7000 doesn't taken anything I said seriously, here's a quick rundown of my FUD.

From what I've seen, the focus and zoom wheels on lenses for it work backwards. They work oppositely the way that Canon lenses work. It always confuses the heck out of me when I use a Nikon. The lenses also mount the opposite way.

It's not compatible with Speedlites. Speedlite is the term Canon uses for their flashes. Nikon calls them Speedlights.

It won't work with newer CF cards. As Kyle noted, it uses SD cards, not CF cards. I through the word "newer" in their as a misdirection.

It won't mount on RRS ballheads (or many other brands) without an adapter. Sadly, no one has adopted my idea of making camera bodies in a shape that works directly with Arca-style quick release systems, so you have to buy a bracket. If you like L-brackets, this adds a considerable expense to each camera.

It's completely incompatible with all OEM lenses except Nikon's own lenses. That even includes Sony lenses, despite the rumors that Sony is making the sensor. OEM stands for original equipment manufacturer - in other words, the maker of the camera. Obviously, Canon, Sony, Olympus, or Pentax lenses won't work with it or vice versa. The non-sequitur about Sony making the sensor is just their to add to confusion.

The sensor, by the way, only records reds, blues, and greens. All other colors (even common ones like flesh tones) need to be made by combining the reds, blues, and greens. I also noticed that, while they claim to have something like 16 million pixels, half of those pixels can only see green. This is true of all DSLR sensors other than Foveon sensors. The megapixel count is the total number of pixels, but each pixel is either red, blue, or green. There are two green pixels for every one blue or red pixel because our eyes are better able to distinguish different greens. Each pixel gets converted from one color to a triplet of colors by software that infers the other colors from the pixels around it.

I have no idea how people plan to get good white balance when virtually all of the lenses for it are black. Just nonsense.

It also comes in only one body style (shutter button on the right), so they have basically written off the artsy left handed crowd. I've never seen a lefty camera. I guess handling the camera doesn't really require fine motor skills and it is much cheaper to make and stock them only one way. I've never heard a lefty complain about it (not that I'd listen to their petulant whining anyway).

Even the video has issues. Rumors have leaked out that the video will have black bars on the top and bottom when viewed on a TV that isn't "widescreen". I've heard this complaint about widescreen movies and HD video cameras. I'm always galled by the "cropped to fit your old TV" versions of movies being called "Full Screen/"

Good luck even taking good video. I heard that the viewfinder goes black while you are recording. All-in-all, you have to wonder what Nikon was thinking this time. Dedicated video cameras use an electric viewfinder so that you can use it while recording. Most DSLR's use a mirror in front of the sensor to send the image to the viewfinder. When the sensor is in use, the mirror is moved and you can no longer see through the viewfinder. I think Sony has a translucent mirror on some of their new hybrid cameras so that it can stay down while you are filming. Canon did that for a sports shooter camera back in the film days. It works great, but your viewfinder is dimmer than normal and you get less light on your sensor. Life is full of trade-offs.

Truth be told, I think the D7000 looks like a great camera. For a Nikon, that is.

My original post, for those unfamiliar with the technique, is called spreading FUD - Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. It is standard practice in the software world. Companies compete on two levels - they announce software that doesn't actually exist yet (vaporware) so that you won't buy their competitors real software while they simultaneously criticize the competition for stuff that is usually totally pointless to make you nervous.
 
I was under the impression that October 29th was the date, but now that I look online, I can't find anything besides "mid-October," so maybe I made up that date. My Amazon order still doesn't have a date.
 
Even though it is a DX camera, do you think that since it has a higher ISO setting, it will be able to take better night shots?
 
Even though it is a DX camera, do you think that since it has a higher ISO setting, it will be able to take better night shots?

The best option for good night shots will always be a tripod, but if you absolutely can't use a tripod, then yes, it should be better. It's still not going to be as good as FX in that regard, though.
 
Tripod for sure... I have a D60 now and the only thing I don't really like is the night shots... I was just wondering if I the ISO was really usable up to 6400? I can really only use up to 800 on mine before it gets really grainy...
 
Tripod for sure...

If you are using a tripod, you should not need to use high ISO unless you have some relatively slow subject motion you are trying to capture. For static subjects, a low ISO (100-200) should be fine.
 
Yeah... When I shoot stuff like the castle, or other buildings, I use a low ISO, but when I shoot handheld, say a concert or show in a dark room and use a shutter speed around 1/40 or so, i would like to be able to bump up the ISO to 800 or 1600 in order to capture an object... My camera seems to struggle doing that and the pics get really grainy... Maybe the D7000 can offer me this option... At least unitl I can afford a D700 :lmao:
 
Yeah... When I shoot stuff like the castle, or other buildings, I use a low ISO, but when I shoot handheld, say a concert or show in a dark room and use a shutter speed around 1/40 or so, i would like to be able to bump up the ISO to 800 or 1600 in order to capture an object... My camera seems to struggle doing that and the pics get really grainy... Maybe the D7000 can offer me this option... At least unitl I can afford a D700 :lmao:

I shoot @ ISO 1600 all the time with my D300 and get very good results, especially in RAW (thanks, Jeff). I would expect the D7000 to do at least as well, if not a bit better, in the high ISO department.
 


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