News Round Up 2017

[Fantasia79]

We all know it's gunna be Mickey. Is there a Mickey themed ride on a Disney Property?

 

[TheMaxRebo]

We all know it's gunna be Mickey. Is there a Mickey themed ride on a Disney Property?

I think this came up before and we couldn't think of a true "ride" that is Mickey focused. Lot's of attractions (Fantasmic! the old Mickey Mouse Revue, Mickey's Philharmagic, etc.) but not a ride

 

[lockedoutlogic]

We all know it's gunna be Mickey. Is there a Mickey themed ride on a Disney Property?

The bigger question is why didn't they do it before? Been busy these last 65 years or so?

Gotta wonder if this wasn't some longstanding rule that was precedent

 

[Fantasia79]

It should be lower points...this is a moderate version of dvc...the talk they are "turning it into deluxe" or "location is all that matters" at Caribbean and Coronado is the utter nonsense I thought it was when they floated it back in January...but they haven't tipped their hand on how they'll handle the points. My guess is they'll charge the wilderness lodge/beach club rate, try to put lipstick on it, and nobody will get a 7 month reservation anywhere again. That's one way to make Saratoga more appealing...I suppose.

Coronado was sub $100 a night most days before iger took over (as was Caribbean)...now? $25,000 timeshare commitment and a monthly fee...just insane if you think about it.

Totally agreed. I have a suspicion it will some how be a low point per night, similar to AKV Value rooms. I don't think they're up for reinventing ownership mid-game with levels of owners or home resort points carrying varrying weight.

 

[AnnaKat]

Totally agreed. I have a suspicion it will some how be a low point per night, similar to AKV Value rooms. I don't think they're up for reinventing ownership mid-game with levels of owners or home resort points carrying varrying weight.

Obviously they would prefer to make their huge DVC profits.
But then they are being sneaky by
promoting that there will be an
air conditioned covered walkway to the Convention Center.

The no balconies is also unusual for a DVC property,

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Totally agreed. I have a suspicion it will some how be a low point per night, similar to AKV Value rooms. I don't think they're up for reinventing ownership mid-game with levels of owners or home resort points carrying varrying weight.

Being on the low end of akv would "Meeting half way" in my opinion. I'd accept that as such...

But...the approach to dvc...like 90% of disney...has been short term cashout for years. All their moves have been except IP acquisition and bedding China....so this should be expected to be no different.

However, akl is one of the best designs they've ever pulled off and offers so much more to enjoy than Coronado...and I like Coronado...but if it's the same point, the choice is clear.

 

[Indybill]

Someone may find a better link, but on Twitter @ED92live has video of the new pirates scenes in DLP. Scroll back to earlier today and keep scrolling as he has a lot of Tweets.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Obviously they would prefer to make their huge DVC profits.
But then they are being sneaky by
promoting that there will be an
air conditioned covered walkway to the Convention Center.

The no balconies is also unusual for a DVC property,

Sneaky doesn't even cover it. This is stretching the comfortable margins. So they are building family unit timeshares to appeal to business travelers (conventions are even more fickle about the overall economy than leisure is...it dries up quickly at times)...so I can see the angle there a bit...though definitely some elastic though...

...Caribbean, however, is the weird one...so the reason is that they are going to try to capitalize on one of the most loyal bases (Caribbean has always had it)...to push those that are paying $250 a night (that is ridiculous and 100% the customers fault - no excuses) for mods like port orleans and Caribbean that are no way improved than when they opened as classy motels in 1990...into the capital upfront investment?
I'm gonna be brutal here (shields up)...but the mod clientele typically (not always) can't afford that investment or more accurately don't spend money in that way/fashion. That's not an insult...it's an interpretation of reality.

That ski lift is a bit of a desperation move up front...it's 100% about pop, art of A, and Caribbean and nothing about Star Wars land or the other hotels...what a weird dynamic.

Why not yacht? Build a tower there...unless the Caribbean thing is about phase 2, and 3...demoing the whole thing in the short run.

I wish they'd have the stones to just do it...not dip the toes in the water while they exploit the people paying rack. And rest assured that is going on.

 

[Tigger's ally]

LOL woke up on a roll this morning! Must have watched Peyton last night!

 

[lockedoutlogic]

LOL woke up on a roll this morning! Must have watched Peyton last night!

The brain never goes into "standby" mode...trust me, I've tried to trick it...

...now back to the news

(And nobody watches espn anymore )

 

[WDWFantasmicFan]

Someone may find a better link, but on Twitter @ED92live has video of the new pirates scenes in DLP. Scroll back to earlier today and keep scrolling as he has a lot of Tweets.

To save everyone scrolling through ED92's Twitter: https://twitter.com/ED92live/status/885408865415831552

 

[mikepizzo]

News

I know it was already posted, but here's a video of the new Pirates scene in DLP as well as some new animatronics

http://wdwnt.com/blog/2017/07/video...pirates-caribbean-disneyland-paris-additions/

 

[Fantasia79]

Thinking a lot about this DVC scenario.

They aren't in the business of losing money. Some of the reasons people buy resale are because it's cheaper and they don't care about length of contract (or care about 50 years). Even a lot of stupid moves find people willing to pay for it (except those cabanas in the parks).

AKV value rooms book up really fast, as do studios across the board.

if they can create a TON of low point rooms, they might have opened up a new group to sell to. The no balcony makes me think this is where they're headed.

 

[Fantasia79]

News

I know it was already posted, but here's a video of the new Pirates scene in DLP as well as some new animatronics

http://wdwnt.com/blog/2017/07/video...pirates-caribbean-disneyland-paris-additions/

So cool! At first viewing, I thought it was a video and not a animatronic.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Someone may find a better link, but on Twitter @ED92live has video of the new pirates scenes in DLP. Scroll back to earlier today and keep scrolling as he has a lot of Tweets.

Here is the link to the specific tweet with t looks very much like the concept sketch and, to be honest, feels like they didn't really change all that much, more of an overlay than a brand new scene: https://twitter.com/ED92live/status/885408865415831552

 

[Lee Matthews]

Thinking a lot about this DVC scenario.

They aren't in the business of losing money. Some of the reasons people buy resale are because it's cheaper and they don't care about length of contract (or care about 50 years). Even a lot of stupid moves find people willing to pay for it (except those cabanas in the parks).

AKV value rooms book up really fast, as do studios across the board.

if they can create a TON of low point rooms, they might have opened up a new group to sell to. The no balcony makes me think this is where they're headed.

If the offered moderate DVC to maybe make it a bit more appealing to the likes of me then I'd be interested

 

[Roxyfire]

Thinking a lot about this DVC scenario.

They aren't in the business of losing money. Some of the reasons people buy resale are because it's cheaper and they don't care about length of contract (or care about 50 years). Even a lot of stupid moves find people willing to pay for it (except those cabanas in the parks).

AKV value rooms book up really fast, as do studios across the board.

if they can create a TON of low point rooms, they might have opened up a new group to sell to. The no balcony makes me think this is where they're headed.

But it's gotta be the right mix of price per point and point per night. Not to mention MF for savvy buyers. Copper Creek is the right point per night, but the cost per point is 176, so same as Polynesian but at least the points go further. The MF is the killer though. Perhaps they'll keep the cost per point about the same but the MF will be super low. Plus no balconies keeps it moderate and mostly studios would keep it from causing a huge 7 month ripple effect.

Edit in italics

 

[rteetz]

I thought Coronado's tower is meant for business/convention customers, not DVC?

That's exactly what this is for. CBR will have the DVC component.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

But it's gotta be the right mix of price per point and point per night. Not to mention MF for savvy buyers. Copper Creek is the right point per night, but the cost per point is 176, so same as Polynesian but at least the points go further. The MF is the killer though. Perhaps they'll keep the cost per point about the same but the MF will be super low. Plus no balconies keeps it moderate and mostly studios would keep it from causing a huge 7 month ripple effect.

Edit in italics

I think that is what it would have to be is a low point per night at the moderates - so if you buy in there perhaps you could use 2 years worth of points for one stay at a deluxe whereas those that buy-in at the Deluxe, with a higher minimum total point commitment would be able to stay at the moderates twice a year on their points or something like that

If that is what happens, given the gondola that gets you to EPCOT from CBR I could see those being popular during the Food and Wine for "extra" trips for people that already have DVC elsewhere

 

[lockedoutlogic]

But it's gotta be the right mix of price per point and point per night. Not to mention MF for savvy buyers. Copper Creek is the right point per night, but the cost per point is 176, so same as Polynesian but at least the points go further. The MF is the killer though. Perhaps they'll keep the cost per point about the same but the MF will be super low. Plus no balconies and mostly studios would keep it from causing a huge 7 month ripple effect.

The moderate dvc is how this makes sense...to me.

I even proposed that there could be a "surcharge"...say 2-5 points per night...for the grandfathers dvc rooms to those that buy in at a lower cost and stay at the mods for relatively few points per night...

But dvc has been a bit skitz about what it wants to build.

So they build the grand Floridian and charge 3x per night of old key west...okay...it works. But they build few studios trying to get the "we only do suites crowd" that doesn't really exist and it's been a problem because even the owners can't get a studio...

...so they react by gutting and building 300 suites and 25 useless cabins at the poly...and now those are available more than everywhere but the ulgy children locations because they overshot the priorities the other way.

Now they gut wilderness and have like 81 studios...which is a decent amount but leaves still more than 50% of the floor space to the larger rooms.

They can't figure out what the heck to do:..it seems.