News Round Up 2017

[lockedoutlogic]

And as I keep saying, you are going to walk right into piloting the Millenium Falcon. How is that not something directly from the movies? Piloting that ship, which appears in 4 of the movies so far, is a dream of most everyone who has ever even liked Star Wars.

Because they have now repurposed that...

And the falcon is best in the asteroid field or with lando at the stick...

Don't think that doesn't matter and that pang of nostalgia doesn't matter and that they might be clueless to it.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I wonder how many people staying on-site with vehicles would do that. By the time you park at the Contemporary and walk over to the MK, plus walking back to your car at park closing and possibly getting stuck in heavy traffic, to me, it wouldn't be worth the hassle for the bit of time you might save in the morning. I, myself, would prefer to use Disney transportation even if I had a car.

Someone suggested charging a $30 fee for parking at the hotels which would be more than MK parking. There could be a limit on the time spent, say at the Contemporary, of three hours or less, then the guest could receive a partial or full refund if they depart the hotel within those three hours. Someone else mentioned about Downtown Disney in Anaheim doing this within a two-hour window. I don't see why this couldn't work at the hotels as well in WDW.

Are you kidding?

People did that for decades. And that's why they bother asking for the last 5-10 years at contemporary, beach and boardwalk.

People snuck in from off site...Florida residents would pop into Epcot...cast members rarely didn't park where they weren't supposed to be...

 

[STLstone]

And as I keep saying, you are going to walk right into piloting the Millenium Falcon. How is that not something directly from the movies? Piloting that ship, which appears in 4 of the movies so far, is a dream of most everyone who has ever even liked Star Wars.

A single ride. And we're presuming it's exactly like the movie. Why? Because that's what people want, I'm guessing.

When we're talking about a "land," that's also what I would prefer. A place directly from the movies.

I don't think this is a disaster in the making, just not a home run. Like the article describes, people that really liked Avatar don't get to experience that movie when they go to Pandora - not like people who go to Harry Potter World.

 

[umichigan10]

yeah, that's why I put "at least" in there. I really liked Pandora, but hard to say it is worth more than the combined cost of both Harry Potter lands (but obviously budgeting and accounting is different at Disney vs Comcast)

Also some moderate inflation from the original Potter, but it's not a huge increase

 

[jtwibih]

Interesting read...

http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/disney-world-pandora-avatar-theme-park.html

I appreciate the haymakers thrown in that article. Staggs cost the company a ton of money with NexGen and the quick decision to put Avatar in the parks. Surprised Iger didn't pay for this one as well......

 

[Redcon1]

Are you kidding?

People did that for decades. And that's why they bother asking for the last 5-10 years at contemporary, beach and boardwalk.

People snuck in from off site...Florida residents would pop into Epcot...cast members rarely didn't park where they weren't supposed to be...

I'm talking about on-site hotel guests, not outsiders. I know there's a problem with the off-site people. That's why to discourage them, you charge a higher rate to park at the hotels than the MK. And that's why you can possibly waive the charge for on-site guests if are in and out of the hotel within two or three hours.

 

[jknezek]

A single ride. And we're presuming it's exactly like the movie. Why? Because that's what people want, I'm guessing.

When we're talking about a "land," that's also what I would prefer. A place directly from the movies.

I don't think this is a disaster in the making, just not a home run. Like the article describes, people that really liked Avatar don't get to experience that movie when they go to Pandora - not like people who go to Harry Potter World.

I just don't care. The original trilogy is a major part of SW lore. Obviously the most beloved. But I've read so much of the books, watched the cartoons, and played the games that I guess I just don't have that attraction to only the original. There is a massive SW universe, I think not limiting themselves to the original canon gives so much flexibility it was a no-brainer. Harry Potter doesn't have anywhere near that universe. All 7 books basically took place in 5 buildings/small areas, Diagon Alley, Hogsmeade, 4 Privet Drive, Hogwarts, and Grimauld Place with a small cameo for the Ministry of Magic. There wasn't anything to do but rebuild the movie/book scenes.

Star Wars simply isn't like that. There isn't just a planet to choose from, there is an ever expanding galaxy. Making the Falcon a focal point is the tie to the original trilogy. It's enough. Now keep expanding the universe and not limiting yourself to aging boomers and gen xers like me with massive nostalgia for only the original trilogy.

Do yourself a favor. Go watch Kenobi vs Vader in Episode IV or even Skywalker vs Vader in Episode VI. Now go watch any other lightsaber duel in any of the movies (even the pathetic prequels), games, cartoons, and book descriptions. Which concept would you like to replicate in the parks? The correct answer is NOT the original trilogy...

 

[Ambehnke]

Brewers, Bucks, and Green Bay Packers! I don't work directly for each team but I work at each respective stadium.

Rteetz we live in De Pere and are Packer season ticket holders! Although, I won't tell you which team I'm a fan of...

 

[jade1]

Except it's unlikely that Disney will leave empty capacity in place. This works out in one of two ways:

#1: The gondolas reduce capacity on buses, so Disney reduce buses.

#2: The gondolas are sitting empty, so Disney reduce buses to move guests to the gondolas.

Or the Minnie Van.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I'm talking about on-site hotel guests, not outsiders. I know there's a problem with the off-site people. That's why to discourage them, you charge a higher rate to park at the hotels than the MK. And that's why you can possibly waive the charge for on-site guests if are in and out of the hotel within two or three hours.

Yep...them too.

If there's an angle...people will look for it.

99.99% guaranteed

 

[rteetz]

It's not the brand. JRR hated Disney, and had no time for theme parks or the like. Christopher has always been clear that in his mind, he's just following his father's wishes for the property. It's a bit muddy because the Zaentz company has quite extensive rights to The Hobbit and LOTR, but AFAIK theme park would would need to be approved by the Tolkien estate.

Yes but even Universal looked into LOR and it appears that didn't work out either so it wasn't just Disney.

 

[rteetz]

A single ride. And we're presuming it's exactly like the movie. Why? Because that's what people want, I'm guessing.

When we're talking about a "land," that's also what I would prefer. A place directly from the movies.

I don't think this is a disaster in the making, just not a home run. Like the article describes, people that really liked Avatar don't get to experience that movie when they go to Pandora - not like people who go to Harry Potter World.

The land itself might not be from the movies but the rides will be. I am sure the falcon will travel to or by familiar things or places. Then the battle ride is based on the newer movies because it is distinctly the first order. As a Star Wars fan I am okay with the route they are going.

 

[rteetz]

Rteetz we live in De Pere and are Packer season ticket holders! Although, I won't tell you which team I'm a fan of...

I'm guessing its not one I am very fond of....

 

[Redcon1]

Yep...them too.

If there's an angle...people will look for it.

99.99% guaranteed

Right. No matter if you charge or who you charge, someone will always try to find a way around it.
Just look around the threads on some of these boards: throwaway rooms, etc.

I just would hope that Disney minimizes the cost of parking to the on-site guest while maintaining enough
space for those who legitimately need to use it for their hotel stays.

 

[Ambehnke]

I'm guessing its not one I am very fond of....

Probably not. Let's just say same division and I do a lot of crying. Ha!

 

[lockedoutlogic]

The land itself might not be from the movies but the rides will be. I am sure the falcon will travel to or by familiar things or places. Then the battle ride is based on the newer movies because it is distinctly the first order. As a Star Wars fan I am okay with the route they are going.

Right...and you fall in the line with many of the younger fans...

But...I don't want to beat this because it's tired...there is a big dividing line in the Star Wars fandom between the hardliner fans from the pre-tech era and the following 1-1.5 generations...

The older set...and we aren't going away soon and wield the financial bat...are going to be way more apprehensive/critical of this if they don't give the 80's enough love. It's just gonna be that way...unavoidable.

The same is gonna go with the hotel if we don't see what resonates.

 

[linzbear]

I wonder how many people staying on-site with vehicles would do that. By the time you park at the Contemporary and walk over to the MK, plus walking back to your car at park closing and possibly getting stuck in heavy traffic, to me, it wouldn't be worth the hassle for the bit of time you might save in the morning. I, myself, would prefer to use Disney transportation even if I had a car.

Someone suggested charging a $30 fee for parking at the hotels which would be more than MK parking. There could be a limit on the time spent, say at the Contemporary, of three hours or less, then the guest could receive a partial or full refund if they depart the hotel within those three hours. Someone else mentioned about Downtown Disney in Anaheim doing this within a two-hour window. I don't see why this couldn't work at the hotels as well in WDW.

Absolutely worth it. I purposefully booked Chef Mickey's dinner on the Saturday day 2 showing of Happily ever after so I could park and walk over after dinner. The only traffic was the traffic walking down main st. You don't have to go anywhere near World drive when leaving the Contemporary.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Do yourself a favor. Go watch Kenobi vs Vader in Episode IV or even Skywalker vs Vader in Episode VI. Now go watch any other lightsaber duel in any of the movies (even the pathetic prequels), games, cartoons, and book descriptions. Which concept would you like to replicate in the parks? The correct answer is NOT the original trilogy...

...uh....huh...

Didn't we just have this discussion about what a core fan would say like 2 weeks ago?

You either see it...or ya don't.

 

[AnnaKat]

Absolutely worth it. I purposefully booked Chef Mickey's dinner on the Saturday day 2 showing of Happily ever after so I could park and walk over after dinner. The only traffic was the traffic walking down main st. You don't have to go anywhere near World drive when leaving the Contemporary.

So if they don't end up charging for parking,
once SWL
(maybe even Toy Story Land)
opens,
then
will the CBR guests find lack of parking
spots
@ their resort due to offsite guests & locals parking @ CBR to gondola over to HS or Epcot (or both!) and avoiding the HS/Epcot parking fees?!

 

[STLstone]

...

Star Wars simply isn't like that. There isn't just a planet to choose from, there is an ever expanding galaxy. Making the Falcon a focal point is the tie to the original trilogy. It's enough. Now keep expanding the universe and not limiting yourself to aging boomers and gen xers like me with massive nostalgia for only the original trilogy.

Do yourself a favor. Go watch Kenobi vs Vader in Episode IV or even Skywalker vs Vader in Episode VI. Now go watch any other lightsaber duel in any of the movies (even the pathetic prequels), games, cartoons, and book descriptions. Which concept would you like to replicate in the parks? The correct answer is NOT the original trilogy...

You just picked 2 things directly from the movies and asked me which one I would like. The "land" is a 3rd option: Something that is generally like what you see in the movies but not something that is actually in the movies, brought to life.

I'm not saying this method has turned me off completely or will have me spending any less money on visiting there. But I'm sure I will like walking around Galaxy's Edge about 90% as much as I would like exploring a real-life Mos Eisley.

This was all in response to the article that explained a possible shortcoming of Pandora, when compared to Harry Potter. I'm not really attempting to denigrate Disney's entire project plan.