New USA travel announcement

[bcwife76]

I haven’t seen anything that excludes Hawaii. Has anyone else?

No. I know right now you can bypass quarantine if you have a negative test but that is a rule put forth by the governor of Hawaii. An executive order from the President would overrule that. So US citizens entering Hawaii could still skip quarantine but anyone else would still have to quarantine.

 

[FinnFogg]

No. I know right now you can bypass quarantine if you have a negative test but that is a rule put forth by the governor of Hawaii. An executive order from the President would overrule that. So US citizens entering Hawaii could still skip quarantine but anyone else would still have to quarantine.

Figured as much! We knew we probably wouldn’t be going any time soon, but that seals the deal!

 

[KNovacovschi]

If you read the entire portion of Air Travel of the executive order nowhere in there does it say you have to do both. It states whatever the CDC guidelines are. They have 14 days to decide and at this point nowhere does it stated you have to quarantine. I also read it as it will require one or the other. Until it is actually officially released and not just the news speculating I will continue to plan my April trip.

Here is the entire executive order:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...mt2X1jCgS1k_oQX9rdgwh6JKGJ4aPB0C3c2RKvH6kGNUI

 

[JordanClark9]

If you read the entire portion of Air Travel of the executive order nowhere in there does it say you have to do both. It states whatever the CDC guidelines are. They have 14 days to decide and at this point nowhere does it stated you have to quarantine. I also read it as it will require one or the other. Until it is actually officially released and not just the news speculating I will continue to plan my April trip.

Here is the entire executive order:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...mt2X1jCgS1k_oQX9rdgwh6JKGJ4aPB0C3c2RKvH6kGNUI

Agreed, the wording leaves it quite open still:

"Such assessment and regulatory action shall include consideration of:
(A) the timing and types of COVID-19 tests that should satisfy the negative test requirement, including consideration of additional testing immediately prior to departure;
(B) the proof of test results that travelers should be required to provide;
(C) the feasibility of implementing alternative and sufficiently protective public health measures, such as testing, self-quarantine, and self-isolation on arrival, for travelers entering the United States from countries where COVID-19 tests are inaccessible, particularly where such inaccessibility of tests would affect the ability of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents to return to the United States."

Suppose we'll just have to wait until official orders are passed.

 

[TammyLynn33]

This is why I wouldn't even try and book a trip right now. Everything changes so suddenly. Not worth the stress, even if I did want to ignore the no non essential travel recommendation.

Consider yourself lucky . Some of us have expiring travel banks, activities worth thousands planned and paid for ( discovery cove x5 here no refunds and clock is ticking ) dvc points etc. And yes it’s stressful . By planning doesn’t mean we are “ignoring “ non-essential travel recommendations, it means we are praying hard they are gone before our scheduled trips.

 

[momof2gr8kids]

Consider yourself lucky . Some of us have expiring travel banks, activities worth thousands planned and paid for ( discovery cove x5 here no refunds and clock is ticking ) dvc points etc. And yes it’s stressful . By planning doesn’t mean we are “ignoring “ non-essential travel recommendations, it means we are praying hard they are gone before our scheduled trips.

Didn't say you were ignoring. Lots are though. I've got lots tied up in travel credits too. I wouldn't today plan a trip for April or something though. Too many unknowns changing daily. Like I said before, come summer if it's looking better and southwest opens up bookings, I'll probably use credits towards something in December or January. If they're still in business.

 

[ottawamom]

I know we all want to read whatever makes it still possible to travel into the executive order but you may have not noticed one very important word (underlined below).

(a) Policy. It is the policy of my Administration that, to the extent feasible, travelers seeking to enter the United States from a foreign country shall be:
(i) required to produce proof of a recent negative COVID-19 test prior to entry; and
(ii) required to comply with other applicable CDC guidelines concerning international travel, including recommended periods of self-quarantine or self-isolation after entry into the United States.

Time will tell when the final interpretation comes out but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

 

[damo]

Here is a pretty good article about it. In a nutshell, quarantine regulations are still being worked out.


"In other words, the US will require a quarantine, but hasn’t yet decided exactly what that will look like. Rather the Secretary of HHS is being told to present Biden with a plan for implementing a quarantine requirement that’s in line with CDC recommendations.

It’s sounding like we should expect a mandatory quarantine after international travel (even if enforcement would likely be non-existent), though we don’t know about the timeline, or how exactly it will be implemented."

https://onemileatatime.com/us-quarantine-international-travel/

 

[Frozen2014]

This will likely be the policy until the general population is vaccinated. In Canada, we're hoping for that to be around September. So, definitely a few months at the very least.

Agreed....This will change over time, but at least until September, maybe longer.
Horrible...as no trips to the USA....no Disney, no cruises....ugh.

 

[KNovacovschi]

I know we all want to read whatever makes it still possible to travel into the executive order but you may have not noticed one very important word (underlined below).

(a) Policy. It is the policy of my Administration that, to the extent feasible, travelers seeking to enter the United States from a foreign country shall be:
(i) required to produce proof of a recent negative COVID-19 test prior to entry; and
(ii) required to comply with other applicable CDC guidelines concerning international travel, including recommended periods of self-quarantine or self-isolation after entry into the United States.

Time will tell when the final interpretation comes out but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

No I’m not reading it how I want, I,m reading it as it states. It states CDC guidelines which at this point do not require anything but a negative test as of January 26th however they have 14 days to decide and it may very well change. So until it has been made official on what the requirements are going to be, except the one that is official, then people need to stop speculating.

 

[gskywalker]

I wish I could say this is likely to change. For the foreseeable future travel will be difficult to near impossible. We received notice from Make a Wish that my daughter's trip that was supposed to be in December 2020 won't happen in 2021 either as they aren't doing any trips this year. I am very thankful that it is unlikely that we would lose her this year(my daughter's ailment is unlikely to be life threatening) so sure it's disappointing but we'll be fine, just breaks my heart for those kids who won't have the time to wait.

 

[Gigi22]

Frankly, down the road, I’m more worried about how “in transit” status will work. I still have travel plans for 2022...and may have to change planes in the US.

 

[Avasmama]

I wish I could say this is likely to change. For the foreseeable future travel will be difficult to near impossible. We received notice from Make a Wish that my daughter's trip that was supposed to be in December 2020 won't happen in 2021 either as they aren't doing any trips this year. I am very thankful that it is unlikely that we would lose her this year(my daughter's ailment is unlikely to be life threatening) so sure it's disappointing but we'll be fine, just breaks my heart for those kids who won't have the time to wait.

I'm so sorry and yes it breaks my heart that some kids will not get their wish.

 

[Pumpkin1172]

Does this really surprise anyone? I knew that at some point, this would happen. It is no different from travelers coming into Canada from other countries.

On the other side of the coin, travelling into the US is a little scarier just given their numbers of covid cases and the deaths that they have. They can't even get a good number of their own citizens to do what most of us here are doing. Mask up, practice safe distancing measures, STAYING HOME - outside of work and essentials blah blah blah.

Hopefully now that the holidays are over, and the lockdowns in most provinces will help to trend our numbers down. I know here in Alberta, we are slowly going down (still not great at the 2nd highest in percentage/100,000 people) but it is going down. And hopefully that will help with numbers along with vaccinations to trend their numbers down. ( Albertan attitudes don't help either , but I know our families are doing what we can to keep everyone else safe)

I feel like the government is justified in requiring a covid test before even coming back into the country from such a covid hot spot. Given their numbers (and attitudes towards it) I don't know if I would feel comfortable enough to travel down there. You just don't know if that person who is working is at work sick - because they have to be at work to stay afloat. Sigh....crazy times.

I am sure like other countries are finding, that travelers entering the country account for a very small portion of cases. But with the new variant, I knew that this was coming. I believe that this might be a new standard for traveling for the next few years.

 

[wdwmom3]

During the PMs address today he repeated comments that people should not be travelling for non-essential reasons. And he made it clear that they could change policies with little notice that could make it difficult for Canadians to return home.

Again not worth travelling for a vacation right now. Unless you don’t care and have the funds to be potentially trapped somewhere for weeks or months.

 

[bcwife76]

He also hinted at the possibility that upon return to Canada, quarantine will be mandatory in a hotel instead of at home. He said it's a "possibility they are exploring."

 

[Jrb1979]

He also hinted at the possibility that upon return to Canada, quarantine will be mandatory in a hotel instead of at home. He said it's a "possibility they are exploring."

I hope that does happen. I wished it happened from the beginning.

 

[Where's Wall-E]

I hope that does happen. I wished it happened from the beginning.

Honest question: why do you think quarantining in a hotel is better than at home? I feel like a hotel could potentially increase exposure rate (front desk, room service staff, etc.) While at home, it's just my immediate household. Groceries can be delivered, etc.

 

[wdwmom3]

I hope that does happen. I wished it happened from the beginning.

Agreed. There are way too many cases of people not following rules. Even if they stay home you hear cases of people visiting with them. Like the couple (one is a doctor) that visited with someone who came from the UK and then lied to public health when it was found they had the UK variant. Or the long term care home in Barrie. Again they say it’s the UK variant and it started with a staff member who visited with someone who came back from the UK.

 

[wdwmom3]

Honest question: why do you think quarantining in a hotel is better than at home? I feel like a hotel could potentially increase exposure rate (front desk, room service staff, etc.) While at home, it's just my immediate household. Groceries can be delivered, etc.

Because people aren’t following rules. People are going places and they are having visitors over. If people have to quarantine in a hotel they can’t do either.