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[Laren]

Really? I would love to see proof.

Then I could stand corrected

edited to add: I never believed the story as told that they would actually go through the buildings, but with a station in front, like the Poly and GF have.

 

[EUROPACL]

Really? I would love to see proof.

Then I could stand corrected

edited to add: I never believed the story as told that they would actually go through the buildings, but with a station in front, like the Poly and GF have.

So on one hand every CM you meet tells the same story so it must be true but you still don't buy it. Errrr...Ok.

As far as proof if you use that thing you're using to post here you can search the net youself for "the proof" and educate yourself instead of buying into some made up story all these years....in other words do your own homework. Google is your friend....I will give you a hint....Yesterland, Monorail Legends

 

[doconeill]

So on one hand every CM you meet tells the same story so it must be true but you still don't buy it. Errrr...Ok.

As far as proof if you use that thing you're using to post here you can search the net youself for "the proof" and educate yourself instead of buying into some made up story all these years....in other words do your own homework. Google is your friend....I will give you a hint....Yesterland, Monorail Legends

Note: Yesterland dispels the myth that the monorail would have run through the buildings via the black squares on each building, and to a lesser extent through any part of them, not that it would never go at least near the buildings. However, I don't believe any right of way was left in the area if they ever hoped to do it in the future. They don't quote the designer at all, but rather looked at it logically as well as the fact that Michael Graves used similar black squares on other designs.

MousePlanet however had an article where they talked to the designer about the design.

And I'll note, Laren, that you said "through the Swan and Dolphin", and then claimed you never believed it...

 

[EUROPACL]

Note: Yesterland dispels the myth that the monorail would have run through the buildings via the black squares on each building, and to a lesser extent through any part of them, not that it would never go at least near the buildings. However, I don't believe any right of way was left in the area if they ever hoped to do it in the future. They don't quote the designer at all, but rather looked at it logically as well as the fact that Michael Graves used similar black squares on other designs.

MousePlanet however had an article where they talked to the designer about the design.

I was going from memory...I didn't want to look it up for the 100th time because someone new has not learned to use the Internet...but stumbles their way here to quote the same myth that has been disproved again and again.

 

[Laren]

And I'll note, Laren, that you said "through the Swan and Dolphin", and then claimed you never believed it...

You might find it interesting to know that I'm a stroke survivor and often substitute the wrong words in sentences. It was a typo and I corrected it later on when I realized it. You can believe that or not but it's the truth.

The idea that the Michael Graves design was made to allow monorails to go through is just silly. Anyone could look at the structures and tell that they weren't planned that way.

I can't believe the joy with which people have picked apart my post.

I did 'do my homework' and I still have yet to see any proof that there were never plans to run the monorail out by the EPCOT resorts.

This is why I don't feel comfortable posting on the DIS boards anymore. Anything you say gets picked apart by people who instead of taking the point of my post (which was please show some love and not call bus drivers liars) they instead decide to make a project out of calling me a 'yokel' and pick apart my sentence structure.

Now I remember why I used to only read on these boards. I don't feel at home or welcome here at all as a poster.

 

[Laren]

I was going from memory...I didn't want to look it up for the 100th time because someone new has not learned to use the Internet...but stumbles their way here to quote the same myth that has been disproved again and again.

By 'someone' you mean me. I'm not 'new' to the Internet. This is ridiculous.

Thus ends my Disboards career. Enjoy the boards. I'm out.

 

[doconeill]

You might find it interesting to know that I'm a stroke survivor and often substitute the wrong words in sentences. It was a typo and I corrected it later on when I realized it. You can believe that or not but it's the truth.

The idea that the Michael Graves design was made to allow monorails to go through is just silly. Anyone could look at the structures and tell that they weren't planned that way.

I can't believe the joy with which people have picked apart my post.

I did 'do my homework' and I still have yet to see any proof that there were never plans to run the monorail out by the EPCOT resorts.

This is why I don't feel comfortable posting on the DIS boards anymore. Anything you say gets picked apart by people who instead of taking the point of my post (which was please show some love and not call bus drivers liars) they instead decide to make a project out of calling me a 'yokel' and pick apart my sentence structure.

Now I remember why I used to only read on these boards. I don't feel at home or welcome here at all as a poster.

I wasn't trying to pick apart your post. You actually cited one of the well-known "stories" cited by bus drivers, boat captains, and even monorail pilots, which is known to be patently false - that they were built to accomodate the monorail running through them. You seemed to know yourself that it was false, but defended the story.

I don't think that its ever been proven that there has NEVER been plans to extend the monorail to include the Epcot resorts in some fashion. I'm sure there has - but how far they got beyond a blue sky session is unknown. We also know that Disney had plans to extend or build a monorail line to the DTD area - this is shown in documentation for SSR that there is an easement on the property for such a purpose - but it also says that it is likely never to happen. (Ref: the same Yesterland article).

Look, I'm not here trying to be mean or pick apart anyone. I prefer to give solid information, and correct those who need correcting without being antagonistic. If you took MY post that way, I'm sorry - it was not meant that way.

I agree that terming all bus drivers (or any other CM) as liars is too strong. They are likely simply repeating the same myths and legends we've all heard all along - some were true, some never were. They don't know the difference any more than 99% of others who believe them to be true as well. I just prefer they were more accurate, or preface by saying "It is widely believed that..." They are trying to be storytellers, and there is nothing wrong with that (so long as they are driving safely )

However the DISboards, like ANY OTHER internet forum (its been that way from day one, prior to the Web, ISPs, and all that - I've been using it a LONG time), has some members that can be more antagonistic.

 

[Another Voice]

Okay – the straight story for the umpteenth time.

Over the decades there have been many plans to expand the monorail and transportation system. Some of the came close enough to being built that equipment was actively being purchased, some were little more than sketches on a napkin. The master plan for the WDW resort called for all areas of the resort to be connected by high volume transit systems, but this plan was abandoned when ABC was purchased the company lost all its easy capital. These plans have been furthered buried by the new strategic plan that essentially divests and outsources WDW from The Walt Disney Company.

Around the time EPCOT Center opened, the plan was to create a transportation center in EPCOT’s parking lot. A high speed train link from Orlando International Airport and major parking center would bring people to the heart of WDW. An expanded monorail system would have taken people north the Magic Kingdom and Seven Seas Lagoon Hotels or south the Disney Village and the Hotel Plaza.

Later, as part of the “Disney Decade” infrastructure, a larger plan was proposed. A major “trunk line” monorail would have been created by extending the existing TTC-EPCOT beam first to the Disney-MGM Studios and in later plans down to Animal Kingdom. The goal of the plan was to connect the parks together and so most of the plans did not include a stop at the Swan/Dolphin hotels. And of those that did – NONE of them had the monorail passing through the hotels, or temporary rooms, or other of the “black square” nonsense that is so often repeated. At best, a single station serving the entire Boardwalk/Swan-Dolphin complex would have been built on the bridge that connects the Swan-Dolphin, The Boardwalk Area and the Yacht-Beach Clubs. But again, most plans envisioned having light rail or busses connect resorts to the nearest theme park station rather than having monorail stops at individual hotels.

WDW’s problem is that Disney’s internal communication is exceptionally poor. Designs, plans, ideas are never communicated to the front line cast members. Instead, information flows through the company grapevine and – like all whisper chains – it becomes distorted as it passes from person to person. Most cast members aren’t lying because they simply don’t know what the truth is – they’re just repeating the “conventional wisdom” that’s grown up over time because real information is so scarce. It’s sad but true – the person you talk to in the park is the person least likely to actually know what’s really going on.

 

[BTown]

I'm going out on a limb here, but to me, it seems as if the point that Laren was making was not to perpetuate the rumor that the monorails were to run through the Swan and Dolphin, but to cite a widespread rumor that still circulates today. I believe that by doing this, Laren was trying to illustrate the possibility that if several people have the same information, it is possible that at one point in time, some or all of that information could have been a viable possibility. So as to say that even though we all know it now to be true, that is not to say that 20 years ago, that information might have been a real possibility. I never at any point read what Laren was saying as perpetuating a known falsehood, but rather making a point at how bad information spreads around, and that we can not hold every individual who opens their mouths to the same fact checking standards that we may hold ourselves to. That is why it is important for us to take everything we hear at face value and decide the truth for ourselves, rather than take everything as truth and get angry when it doesn't pan out.

As for the rude and picky posters... well, that's just part of the internet. Some people just can't help themselves, they have to be rude. It's just a shame that it does seem to happen as often as it does here, when this is suppose to be a friendly, happy, magical community...

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

I did 'do my homework' and I still have yet to see any proof that there were never plans to run the monorail out by the EPCOT resorts.

It's impossible to prove that something was never studied, discussed, sketched on a whiteboard, or even formally drafted behind closed doors somewhere. In fact, it's likely that the idea of extending the monorail, including the possibility of service to one or more Epcot area resorts, has come up more than once over the years. And, obviously, any such plans were not approved.

The real question is if anyone has ever seen design drawings of the Swan and Dolphin with any sort of monorail service, or if anyone has read any credible accounts of the design competition for the hotels (that became the Swan and Dolphin) that include any mention of any sort of monorail access.

Read chapter 4 in Building a Dream by Beth Dunlop. There's a long account of how Tishman was originally going to build near Hotel Plaza; how Michael Eisner nixed the plan; how Tishman sued for Disney under racketeering charges; how the location was changed to the current location near Epcot; how three architects competed for the assignment; and how Eisner personally selected the design by Michael Graves even though it exceeded the height guidelines. There are two different design drawings by Graves of the hotel that became the Dolphin. There is absolutely nothing in the text or in the drawings about any sort of monorail service.

I've also read several other accounts in books of how the Swan and Dolphin came to be. There's never any mention of a monorail.

The Swan and Dolphin plans never formally included monorail service. But that doesn't mean that nobody within Disney ever gave any thought to it.

 

[MJMcBride]

wait a minute, do you mean to tell me we're not getting a new monorail line? A bus driver told me we were.

 

[Another Voice]

wait a minute, do you mean to tell me we're not getting a new monorail line? A bus driver told me we were.

Only for the Four Season resort. You 'mounth-breathing WalMart shoppers' (not my phrase by the way) aren't worth a monorail. Hell, you're lucky you even get a bus (which, according to rumor, you may not get much longer anyway so enjoy the rides while they last).

 

[MJMcBride]

I love Wal-Mart

 

[EUROPACL]

Hell, you're lucky you even get a bus (which, according to rumor, you may not get much longer anyway so enjoy the rides while they last).

Man I can't wait to see how they would spin that...the best part will be excuses from the snowglobe crowd.

 

[Another Voice]

Man I can't wait to see how they would spin that...

I can see the press release now...

"Guest surveys tell us that guest enjoy the flexibility and ease of driving their own cars to the parks instead of using infrequent and uncomfortable busses. Walt Disney World is magically granting those wishes and proving once again that Dreams Come True!".

 

[DiszyDean]

It's sad that on a message board designed to discuss all-things-Disney, that people feel the need to degrade other message board members in order to make themselves appear superior. I suppose that some people will continue act like this though as long as they feel they can get away with it.

 

[Marshypooh]

In my occupation I must deal with many dark aspects of our society. The DisBoards are an enjoyable and healthy way for me to forget some of the things that I see on a daily basis. I especially enjoy the Rumors section as it is fun to discuss and speculate with others the many topics brought up here. I had a particularly rough and late day at work which is why I am on the Internet at such an ungodly hour while the rest of my family sleeps. Reading these boards helps me to relax and think of more pleasant things before I go to sleep. My sincere thanks to those of you who share the rumors you have read or heard. You put a little excitement into my day. It is also interesting to read more solid information that many of you have researched or obtained elsewhere. This too is greatly appreciated.

I agree with those who have commented that there are several on these boards who seem to enjoy degrading and belittling others to make themselves seem more superior. Many of you are displaying behavior traits that I encounter every day. For those of you who say you don't want to post on these boards anymore, please don't let those with antagonistic or offensive personalities deter you from participating in something you enjoy. The result they are trying to gain is to make you feel inferior and defensive. In other words, you are letting them win.

 

[Debs Hill]

Bump!

 

[G8r4evr]

I would be very surprised if Disney planned to connect the Swolphin to the monorail loop before they connected every one of their own brand hotels first.

As for MGM expansion...I agree, it seems as though this park has the most room for improvement and the means/subject matter to make it happen.

 

[SandraVB79]

I thought catfights only happened around poolhopping, refillable mugs and using a crockpot in the hotel room, but now I discovered that I can also enjoy a good catfight, combined with YAGEs, on the rumors board.
I know where to go when I get bored at work.

Yeez people, lighten up!