New Sub Ride ??

[raidermatt]

Blueprint for some real marine exhibits:

http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/efc/

 

[YoHo]

Last time I was at Monterey Bay, Kids could no0t get over the excitment of the various exhibits, facinated by marine life and the complex ecosystems. Delighting in the Seaotter exhibit and so forth. And yet, not a popular animated character rehashing a movie plot anywhere to be found. How did they do it?

 

[MJMcBride]

Have you been on the ride yourself, or do you "no basis for [your] opinion"?

Of course I have. I will stand by my post that if something introduces a child to something new (such as marine biology) and gets them thinking about it, its is educational to some degree. As for that being "sad and pathetic", you're entitled to your opinion no matter how pathetic it is.

 

[MJMcBride]

Yes, it is. If you've really read all those posts, you'd know that. Its only the moron comment that he admits is "speculation". The anger and bitterness, as you interpret it, comes from a lot of observations and research into the way the company has changed. That has resulted in certain opinions about Disney's management. The moron comment is obviously hyperbole, but the opinions were not developed from anger and bitterness, the anger and bitterness is a result of the opinions on what Disney management has done to the company.

But of course you know that since you read all those posts about how he has reached his conclusions.

I have not read all 3215 posts but I have read enough. You are correct that I interpret (and correctly so I believe) anger and bitterness, and therefore, I do not find his posts all that credible as I find no objectivity in them at all.

 

[MJMcBride]

Last time I was at Monterey Bay, Kids could no0t get over the excitment of the various exhibits, facinated by marine life and the complex ecosystems. Delighting in the Seaotter exhibit and so forth. And yet, not a popular animated character rehashing a movie plot anywhere to be found. How did they do it?

Of course, Monterrey Bay is considered the best aquarium in the country and probably the world

 

[YoHo]

I have not read all 3215 posts but I have read enough. You are correct that I interpret (and correctly so I believe) anger and bitterness, and therefore, I do not find his posts all that credible as I find no objectivity in them at all.

You can only draw this conclusion if you and he are operating with exactly the same amount of data. I would suggest that you don't have as much data as others and therefore you can't judge how much objectivity is in his posts.

 

[MJMcBride]

You can only draw this conclusion if you and he are operating with exactly the same amount of data. I would suggest that you don't have as much data as others and therefore you can't judge how much objectivity is in his posts.

actually we are discussing you and how you have no credibilty

 

[YoHo]

Sorry, I got lost in the other AV argument going on, but this makes the comment even easier since I KNOW I'm operating with more information then you are.


More to the point, you haven't even read the subset of my 3000 posts which are currently in threads on the first page of this site. posts which sound a heck of a lot different in expectation compared to today. Why the hell should I give Disney the benefit of the doubt when they've failed to justify my optimism since 1999? Does objectivity equal blind faith in the face of fact?

Do you think Peter Pirate 2 whose been around just about as long is equally not objective? Cause he's certainly changed his opinion substantially.


Or can you just not deal with my rhetorical style and so you're dismissive?

 

[Another Voice]

I will stand by my post that if something introduces a child to something new (such as marine biology)

And that's exactly my point with the 'Nemo' ride. It does not introduce a child to anything new. It's nothing but a storybook rehash of the movie. It introduces no reality, it introduces no education, it certainly doesn't introduce "marine biology".

Disney had a fantasic opportunity to take a child from the film world of 'Nemo' into the real world. A chance to show a child that the world around them is even more interesting, more exiciting than the world presented in a movie.

Disney choose not to. Disney choose to present a commerical instead of an Epcot quality attraction.

It's dumbing down for the sake of squeezing a couple extra bucks out the parents. It is big leap down for Disney.

 

[raidermatt]

actually we are discussing you and how you have no credibilty

So a life-long customer and fan educates himself on the history and direction of the company, doesn't like what he learns about the direction and if this angers this customer/fan, they have no credibility?

 

[raidermatt]

Of course, Monterrey Bay is considered the best aquarium in the country and probably the world...

And Disney cannot at least meet that standard for its exhibits because...

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

I've been to the Monterey Bay acquarium twice. It's really great and as I walked around I wondered why didn't Disney do this? I'll bet they could have done better if they'd try.

Then I was in Vegas and saw the fountain show at the Bellagio and I said to myself, boy this is a big step up from what Disney did...I wonder why they didn't do this first? I'll bet they could have done better if they had tried.

Disney has shown as recently as The Cruise Line and Disney on Broadway that they can do great things if they've a mind to. Apparantely they no longer have the mind to.

The fact is Disney isn't trend setting anymore. They're not trying to blow the roof off the place, they aren't pushing the envelope. It's easier to cow tow to the masses with malls, mall merchandise, buffets, character meals and just be 'better than the competetion'. As long as they do that their studies tell them a certain demographic will be happy, after all Disney is first and foremost a business, right?

 

[daber]

And that's exactly my point with the 'Nemo' ride. It does not introduce a child to anything new. It's nothing but a storybook rehash of the movie. It introduces no reality, it introduces no education, it certainly doesn't introduce "marine biology".

Disney had a fantasic opportunity to take a child from the film world of 'Nemo' into the real world. A chance to show a child that the world around them is even more interesting, more exiciting than the world presented in a movie.

Disney choose not to. Disney choose to present a commerical instead of an Epcot quality attraction.

Having been on the EPCOT ride, IMHO, it is also a "storybook rehash" as well. Yes, you have an aquarium of real fish, but they are ignored. Nothing educational about the type of fish, where they are found, here are the fish that Nemo, Dory, etc. are based on. It is a B grade attraction, worth one trip around the track then forget. Another lost opportunity.

Now the DAK Nemo show is another "storybook rehash", but a quality one and worth more than one viewing.

We will wait and see about the DL subs (although based on the current problem, the wait may be a long one)

 

[MJMcBride]

It does not introduce a child to anything new. It's nothing but a storybook rehash of the movie. It introduces no reality, it introduces no education, it certainly doesn't introduce "marine biology".

Disney had a fantasic opportunity to take a child from the film world of 'Nemo' into the real world. A chance to show a child that the world around them is even more interesting, more exiciting than the world presented in a movie.

It depends on the child. As to introducing a child to the world of marine biology, it does not do anything other than show you the characters followed by a "neat" tech and then dumps them into the "real" world aquarium. So,in fact, it does transition kids from Nemo to real animals.I do agree that they should have kept the old small exhibits.Those were great.

 

[MJMcBride]

I've been to the Monterey Bay acquarium twice. It's really great and as I walked around I wondered why didn't Disney do this? I'll bet they could have done better if they'd try.

That would be difficult as Monterrey is considered the best of the aquariums. Disney has built a good exhibit though.

 

[MJMcBride]

So a life-long customer and fan educates himself on the history and direction of the company, doesn't like what he learns about the direction and if this angers this customer/fan, they have no credibility?

He has no credibilty if it angers him to the point where he cannot acknowledge one good thing that Disney has done in the last 15 years and states managment are morons while acknowledging he has no basis for same. yes.

I have got to stop arguing with more than one person at a time

 

[Another Voice]

That would be difficult as Monterrey is considered the best of the aquariums.

It's so much easier for Disney to pay plants on the Internet to lower expectations than it is to build first-class attractions, isn't it.

 

[YoHo]

That would be difficult as Monterrey is considered the best of the aquariums. Disney has built a good exhibit though.

I would suggest that Disney's Previous exhibit, when it worked, appears to be markedly superior to the current one. You've got one of the largest mixed species reef tanks in the world and this is the best you could do with it?


As for acknowldging great things they've done in th elast 10-15 years. Well, it's 2007 now, so off the top of my head, I've got nothing. I consistantly commented on Indy from 1996 though. You're just proving that you don't actually read.

 

[raidermatt]

That would be difficult as Monterrey is considered the best of the aquariums.

Is that why Disney's animal exhibits over at AK are so far below what is done elsewhere?

I thought Disney was supposed to a be a leader in the presentation and care of animals, yada, yada, yada.

Seriously, what is the reason Disney can't even match what the MBQ is doing? Not necessarily in scope, as I'm not saying they should have a facility the size of the MBQ in Epcot, but for the exhibits they do have.

 

[MJMcBride]

Is that why Disney's animal exhibits over at AK are so far below what is done elsewhere?

I thought Disney was supposed to a be a leader in the presentation and care of animals, yada, yada, yada.

Seriously, what is the reason Disney can't even match what the MBQ is doing? Not necessarily in scope, as I'm not saying they should have a facility the size of the MBQ in Epcot, but for the exhibits they do have.

All I said was Monterrey was the best aquarium in the world. And how are DAK animal exhibits "so far below" whats done elsewhere? Where are you referring to? And I agree that I prefer the older Living Seas when they had the small animal exhbits, but the Nemo ride is more interesting than the original elevators and ride to me