New SD banning abortion..

[basas]

It is responsible to terminate an unwanted pregancy. Having an abortion is dealing with risks and consequences.

No, it is responsible to not get pregnant in the first place if you are in a situation where you know full-out ahead of time that you cannot support having a child.

since you were so quick to inquire, the condom tore. that's the background. we were being as cautious as we were taught to be. I know, I know, we should have abstained. that's like telling a compass not to point north.

Now, that you attempted to avoid the situation is great, but despite the protection that you used, you knew (or you should have known if you didn’t), that using protection does not completely eliminate the risk, or consequences, that may be involved with sexual activity. There are other choices out there for the child besides being aborted.

it's been 18 years since she had her abortion, and I still don't see how it's affected anyone's life who's participating in this thread.

The only person it has affected is, indeed, the person who would today have been 18 years old. Who knows what they could have accomplished with their lives; they weren’t given a chance.

I'm not worried about my daughter and nieces. Whether abortion is legal or not in this country we will be able to afford to send them a country that is not ***-backwards should they ever want/need an abortion.

Why don’t you keep them from getting in the situation in the first place? Or is it easier to deal with the consequences after the fact?

The actual percentages of pregnancy due to rape and incest would be less than 1%...this is the crutch and platform to legalize murder. One crime such as sexual abuse does not justify another, homicide. Very Sad. So if your mother or father brother, sister, cousin, ect is making life inconvenient should they be put to death as well? Come on people, one step leads to another, don't tell me that a fetus is not a person, it is unfortunate that our society lacks respect for life period. How about infanticide, is this justifiable? What is? Where does it end? If we don't nip murder in the bud now..what will our future hold? And as another posted on the flip side stated...I will fight this with my every breath!!

Well said.

 

[beckmrk04]

The actual percentages of pregnancy due to rape and incest would be less than 1%...this is the crutch and platform to legalize murder. One crime such as sexual abuse does not justify another, homicide. Very Sad. So if your mother or father brother, sister, cousin, ect is making life inconvenient should they be put to death as well? Come on people, one step leads to another, don't tell me that a fetus is not a person, it is unfortunate that our society lacks respect for life period. How about infanticide, is this justifiable? What is? Where does it end? If we don't nip murder in the bud now..what will our future hold? And as another posted on the flip side stated...I will fight this with my every breath!!

Where did this percentage come from? Because I have never seen ANYWHERE state anything this low. Furthermore, having worked in a sexual assault crisis center, I know for a fact this number is FALSE. And no one on this board has disagreed that once a child is born, it is indeed a person, and that the murder of people is wrong. To suggest that this will lead to the legalization of the murder of annoying relatives is absurd.

The difference in our views is that you view life as beginning at conception, presumably due to religious views, although I could be wrong. I, however, do not hold those same religious views, and do not view an embryo/zygote/blastocyst/fetus as a human being. And as for what will our future hold, hopefully it will hold that all children born in this country are wanted children. Abortion isn't new. It's been around for thousands of years- women used herbs and various other methods to rid themselves of unwanted pregnancies before medical abortion became available. And making it illegal won't make it go away. It will only make it more dangerous for mother and child.

 

[TNKBELL]

Where did this percentage come from? Because I have never seen ANYWHERE state anything this low. Furthermore, having worked in a sexual assault crisis center, I know for a fact this number is FALSE. And no one on this board has disagreed that once a child is born, it is indeed a person, and that the murder of people is wrong. To suggest that this will lead to the legalization of the murder of annoying relatives is absurd.

The difference in our views is that you view life as beginning at conception, presumably due to religious views, although I could be wrong. I, however, do not hold those same religious views, and do not view an embryo/zygote/blastocyst/fetus as a human being. And as for what will our future hold, hopefully it will hold that all children born in this country are wanted children. Abortion isn't new. It's been around for thousands of years- women used herbs and various other methods to rid themselves of unwanted pregnancies before medical abortion became available. And making it illegal won't make it go away. It will only make it more dangerous for mother and child.

In all honesty I can't remember where that percentage came from..so I will retract that, but indeed the percentage is very very small, not that even in that rare incidence abortion is reasonable. So all unwanted children should be killed by abortion?? That is so sad, everyone knows what leads to pregnancy, even birth control isn't 100% there is only one thing that is...abstinence. The fact that murder isn't legal doesn't mean it has gone away either. If a person chooses to commit a crime or participate in illegal activities..yes that would mean certain danger for them. How can we be so vicious as to victimize our most precious and innocent? Words and vocabulary only cause confusion, life is simple, only God should decide who dies and who doesn't. Life isn't fair..ever..to assume we have the right to interfere with God's plan or fate or whatever you believe in, is just wrong.

 

[MzDiz]

only God should decide who dies and who doesn't. Life isn't fair..ever..to assume we have the right to interfere with God's plan or fate or whatever you believe in, is just wrong.

So, then I'll assume that you're anti-death penalty as well?

What if I don't believe in god? Then the pregnancy's just interfering with my life.

 

[kristen821]

I am pro-life and it has nothing to do with my religion. I am not a religious person. Nor am I republican. I believe a baby is human the day it is conceived. You are legally able to have an abortion until you are 20 weeks pregnant in Illinois. A baby at 20 weeks old has a chance to live if it was born and deserves the chance to live. I know there are plenty of people who want to adopt children and that is what I would do with an unwanted child. I think the laws and cost of adoption need to change to make it easier to adopt a child. I wouldn't judge people on thier choices, but I don't always agree with thier choices.

 

[TNKBELL]

Just found where that 1% percentage comes from:
In a study conducted by the pro-abortion Alan Guttmacher Institute, entitled ave Abortions,” women were asked to give specific reasons why they had an abortion. The top three answers were:
1. Unready for responsibility
2. Can't afford baby now
3. Concern about how having a baby would change her life.
The three reasons, which came in last place and were tied at 1 percent included:
1. Was a victim of rape or incest
2. Husband or partner wanted the abortion
3. Didn't want others to know she has had sex or is pregnant.
Studies and statistics consistently show that pregnancies due to rape and incest are rare. According to Guttmacher that 1% due to rape and incest is 14,000 babies per year. Therefore, abortion is not mainly used as a last resort.
And to respond to the poster who stated..."What if I don't believe in God?"
Do you believe in right and wrong? Why?

 

[Sylvester McBean]

The only person it has affected is, indeed, the person who would today have been 18 years old. Who knows what they could have accomplished with their lives; they weren’t given a chance.

who knows? neither you nor I. but it happened and it was legal. and to be honest, I really don't care. it's like wondering if grapes plucked from the vine could eventually be made into a great chardonnay. why do you care about what happened 18 years ago? my then girlfriend went on to college and graduated. I'm assuming she's doing well. having a baby in high school would have disrupted our lives. and guess what...it was legal.....

 

[TNKBELL]

who knows? neither you nor I. but it happened and it was legal. and to be honest, I really don't care. it's like wondering if grapes plucked from the vine could eventually be made into a great chardonnay. why do you care about what happened 18 years ago? my then girlfriend went on to college and graduated. I'm assuming she's doing well. having a baby in high school would have disrupted our lives. and guess what...it was legal.....

Very SAD. Your former girlfriend is in my prayers. How sad that you compare human life to grapes. WE should all care about each other, whether we share the same views or not. You assume? You don't know? You don't care? That also saddens me.

 

[beckmrk04]

Just found where that 1% percentage comes from:
In a study conducted by the pro-abortion Alan Guttmacher Institute, entitled ave Abortions,” women were asked to give specific reasons why they had an abortion. The top three answers were:
1. Unready for responsibility
2. Can't afford baby now
3. Concern about how having a baby would change her life.
The three reasons, which came in last place and were tied at 1 percent included:
1. Was a victim of rape or incest
2. Husband or partner wanted the abortion
3. Didn't want others to know she has had sex or is pregnant.
Studies and statistics consistently show that pregnancies due to rape and incest are rare. According to Guttmacher that 1% due to rape and incest is 14,000 babies per year. Therefore, abortion is not mainly used as a last resort.
And to respond to the poster who stated..."What if I don't believe in God?"
Do you believe in right and wrong? Why?

I looked up the what you are referring to, which is a study of 1,160 women who participated in a voluntary survey. Hardly enough to represent all women who have abortions. The overall response rate at the clinic they studied was only 58%. Maybe, just maybe, rape/incest victims were to ashamed and embarrassed to participate in a voluntary study and that is why their data is left out, and then it looks like- Oh well, rape and incest victims never get pregnant anyway.

ETA- That study also says, "In contrast to the perception (voiced by politicians and laypeople across the ideological spectrum) that women who choose abortion for reasons other than rape, incest, and life endangerment do so for "convenience," our data suggests that after carefully assessing their individual situations, women base their decisions largely on their ability to maintain economic stability and to care for the children they already have."

Thought that was interesting.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

Very SAD. Your former girlfriend is in my prayers. How sad that you compare human life to grapes. WE should all care about each other, whether we share the same views or not. You assume? You don't know? You don't care? That also saddens me.

what do you want me to do, call her and ask her how she's doing on the anniversary of her abortion?

 

[Sylvester McBean]

Very SAD. Your former girlfriend is in my prayers. How sad that you compare human life to grapes. WE should all care about each other, whether we share the same views or not. You assume? You don't know? You don't care? That also saddens me.

it saddens me you feel the need to pray for people you don't know.

 

[TNKBELL]

it saddens me you feel the need to pray for people you don't know.

I also pray for peace in the world...yah, you guessed it, I don't know the whole world!! Great comeback though!

 

[beckmrk04]

it saddens me you feel the need to pray for people you don't know.

Be nice.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

Be nice.

I'm trying.

 

[beckmrk04]

I'm trying.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

(deep breaths)......

 

[Sylvester McBean]

I also pray for peace in the world...yah, you guessed it, I don't know the whole world!! Great comeback though!

concentrate harder, the last time I flipped on CNN it's not working.

 

[TNKBELL]

concentrate harder, the last time I flipped on CNN it's not working.

It could be worse!

 

[Sylvester McBean]

or maybe you're not pious enough and your prayers aren't finding the way to God.

 

[TNKBELL]

or maybe you're not pious enough and your prayers aren't finding the way to God.

Of course I'm not pious enough!!! Why do you think I pray???
But of course all prayers make thier way to God.