New Passport Rule

AURxTiger

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Here is an article from my local paper about the new passport rule. We are booked on a June '06 double dip at CC Cruise. I guess the CC days will make us get a passport for all four of us.

http://www.al.com/search/index.ssf?/base/business/1114939182190560.xml?mobileregister?bnews


Officials fret over new passport rule
Passport to be required for all air, sea travel to Canada and Mexico by Dec. 31, 2006
Sunday, May 01, 2005
By ANDREA JAMES
Business Reporter, Mobile Register

A new rule requiring a passport for travel to Mexico, Canada and the Caribbean has the cruise industry and travel agents fretting over the effect it will have on trips like those that leave every week from Mobile.

The current plan would have the new rules, which were announced in April by the Department of Home land Security, rolled out in stages. A passport requirement for travel to the Caribbean and Central and South America would take effect by Dec. 31.

The second stage, which affects passengers sailing on Carnival Cruise Lines' Holiday from Mobile, requires a passport for all air and sea travel to Canada and Mexico by Dec. 31, 2006. Currently, Holiday passengers can use an original birth certificate and photo identification, or naturalization papers.

"We are doing everything we can to try to change the deadlines," said Lyndsay Rossman, a spokeswoman for International Council of Cruise Lines, an Arlington, Va.-based lobby ing and regulatory body for the cruise industry. "A lot of our cruise passengers have already booked 2006 cruises to the Caribbean. It's a little too tight to make that be the exact deadline."

Homeland Security will open the proposed timetable to public comment in a few months, according to Christiana Halsey, spokeswoman for the department's Customs and Border Protection bureau. All changes mandated by the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 must be in place by Jan. 1, 2008.

Cruise industry officials worry about the government's ability to handle a glut of passport applications. Only 60 million Americans, or 23 percent, have passports, according to the State Department.

The cost of the passport could also affect travel bookings, according to Ann Housh, a travel consultant for Adventure Travel, which recently moved its office from Mobile to Pensacola.

"It could really impact some of this cruise business that goes out of Mobile," Housh said. "It doesn't cost you anything to have a birth certificate, but it does cost a lot for a passport, especially for a family of four."

A U.S. passport application costs $97 for someone over 16 and $82 for children. Adult passports last 10 years; children's are good for five years.

Cruise industry officials also say that the staggered deadline gives cruises that sail to Mexico, like the Holiday's, an unfair advantage over cruises that sail to the Caribbean.

"While we clearly understand that the government has a legitimate need to enhance security at our borders, we have concerns about the timing of this," said Tim Gallagher, vice president of public relations for Carnival. The company's Web site urges passengers to get a passport now, to avoid delays.

The Post Office in Mobile is preparing for an increase in passport applications, according to spokeswoman Fonda Gantt.

"I don't think the word is really out yet," Gantt said. "A lot of people take cruises and a lot of people go into Canada and Mexico and they never bothered to have a passport. And at some point they are going to have to."

To apply, people should bring a certified birth certificate, state-approved identification and a checkbook or cash. A passport application can take up to two months, though for additional fees the process can be expedited.

Halsey said a unified document, like a passport, makes it easier for customs and border patrol officers to monitor the 1.1 million travelers who cross the nation's 317 points of entry -- airports, sea ports and land border -- per day.

"The whole goal of the initiative is to streamline the amount and types of documents that people can present for entry into the United States, to help us better secure the country but also allow us to quickly process people," she said.

Mobile resident Henry Gardner, 76, is an avid cruisegoer who has already sailed out of Mobile. He wasn't aware of the rule change and said last week that he may even have lost his passport.

"I know I had one in '98," said Gardner. "I went on a cruise on the Carnival Destiny and we went down in the Caribbean Islands and I had one then, but I haven't seen it since. It's got to be here somewhere."

He will apply for a new passport if he has to, he said, because he understands the need for tighter security.

"I feel comfortable with that because we ain't living in the old days no more," Gardner said.
 
It is currently open for publis comment, not "official" yet.
We actually disembark ON Dec. 31 this year, so we are watching this one carefully. Do not wish to fork out nearly $500 unless they are absolutely necessary--especially since it is unlikely the children will use theirs again! But if I don't know for sure by the end of summer, I'll bite the bullet and get it taken care of!
Kristin princess:
12/24/05 Magic
10/24/04 Star Princess
 
My kids use their passports all the time for things other than travel. My company just got sold and I had to have either a birth certificate or passport to qualify them for new health benefits on Friday.
I leave those fragile birth certificates locked up in the safe deposit box, and use the Passports for things like this.
And as your kids get older, you never know when they might take a school trip where they need them. My son went to Spain and France last summer with his French class, had his passport, was all set to go.
 
But I know no one who has a passport except my parents who cruise a lot. They are not commomplace here, and I know of no situation where they would be necessary except for oversees travel--which my 9,6 and 4 year olds aren't likely to do in the next 5 years! And since this is the only cruise they will likely get in the next 5 years, I only want to invest in those passports if I HAVE to! :) (I would much rather spend that $500 on the cruise--I'm sure Disney would prefer I did, too!)
Happy cruising!
Kristin
 

nope its not just a midwestern thing- we dont have one either and hating the idea of having to buy one for all 4 of us. there is no reason that we need one besides going on our next cruise.
 
AURxTiger said:
Here is an article from my local paper about the new passport rule. We are booked on a June '06 double dip at CC Cruise. I guess the CC days will make us get a passport for all four of us.
I'm missing something. Why would you need passports for a June 2006 cruise when the rules don't go into effect until December 2006. ETA: I see where Passorts will be required for Carribbean travel by 12/31/05. Never mind.

{{shrug}} I live in Wisconsin and all of us (including the 5 year old) have Passports. I am glad that the US is plugging the security loophole. I'm sorry that means an extra expense for those of you who do not travel outside the US often.
 
One of my children used their passport for SAT's b/c too young for a driver's license. We took them for flights to Didney World as photo ID and they were scrutinized both ways. Flew out west the next month and no one ever even looked at them, so who knows!

I like having them and wouldn't want to travel out of the country without one, even if it wasn't required. And, they do come in handy here at home also.
 
Passports are not commonplace here either. People generally have them here if they travel internationally for work or pleasure but not to cross the border into mexico. It's certainly not commonplace with small children (I can kinda see why older children might find them beneficial). I think the passport administration should NOT have raised their rates though...maybe waited until after 2008, just to give cruise travellers a break. I guess they're looking at it as a revenue generator...........
 
with all the posts i have read about having passports by dec. 31, 2005 to travel to the Carribbean, i am just going to get our passports, our cruise leaves dec. 31, 2005 and by then i am sure the prices will go up if not double if passports are going to be required. Yes, i to dont want to have to put out the money, but if they are good for 5 & 10 years, i know once we start cruising we will be hooked so then im sure we will be cruiseing again before the 5 & 10 years are up.
 
Robin,
I think what they mean is that by 12-31-06, wherever you go outside the US, you will have to have a passport. It sounds like they are staggering the requirements, like if you are traveling to the caribbean, you have to have them by 12-31-05. The requirement won't go into effect for those traveling to mexico or Canada until 12-31-06.

if I misunderstood your post, Sorry.

Hey AURxTiger, is it the 6-24-06 trip? I looked a little more careful at your timeline and I think so. If it is, come and join us on the Cruise Meet Board ( you can get there from this board-it is at the very top). Maybe since this trip is to Coz. and Costa Maya and CC (twice :cool1: ) we won't have to have passports.

What is CC considered?, in the Caribbean or is it considered a US port?
 
Clarification:

This is a phased process with different countries added each year.

The headline:
Passport to be required for all air, sea travel to Canada and Mexico by Dec. 31, 2006
refers to Canada and Mexico.

The line in the article:
A passport requirement for travel to the Caribbean and Central and South America would take effect by Dec. 31
refers to December 31st of this year.

So as currently proposed:

Passports for Caribbean, Central and South America - 2006 (This would include DCL cruises)
Passports for Mexico and Canada - 2007
 
Does anyone know if you can use white out on the passport forms to make corrections or if you have to fill out a new form? I have made a few tiny mistakes on the 6 passport forms I am filling out for the family. Thanks.
Michele
 
musicgirl said:
What is CC considered?, in the Caribbean or is it considered a US port?

Castaway Cay is a Bahamian port. I'm guessing it would fall under the same heading as the Caribbean islands, although I think that it is technically in the Atlantic.
 
i would think you would have to get another form to fill out, but that is a very good question. i just got back from the post office with my forms, i brought all my birth certs. with to make sure that they would except them. the post office looked at the birth certs. and they were all good. i was nerves because DD b/c has a raised bordered around the cert. and no seal, but i was told the raised border was the seal, :cool1: i was also inform were to go for my passports pics, walgreens, cvs or osco, $7.99 for the 2 pics that you are required. the post needs to see your marriage lics. because the womans name on her birth cert. is her maiden name and you have to show proof of your married name.
any one over the age of 16 can go by themselves to get their passports along with the the form already filled out with your pics, birth certf., drivers lics. and a check or money order $55 plus $12 security fee as of 3/8/05 and a seperate check for $30 made out to the post office. i asked if i wait until DD is 16, but she will not have a drivers lic. yet what other form of id can she have and i was told her high school id would be fine.
under 15 & under both parents & the child must go to the post office , the childs birth cert. and a check or money order for $40, plus $12 security fee and a seperate check for the post office $30. allow 2 months for delivery. the post office mails the passports and your birth cert. to be processed. when you receive your passports you will get your birth cert back. you can pay extra fee if you need the passport sooner.
 

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