New Disney Ships: News, Rumors, Speculation.....and Names!

[OKW Lover]

IIRC, Terminal 8 is the one Disney currently uses. Right? Where is Terminal 10?

 

[truck1]

IIRC, Terminal 8 is the one Disney currently uses. Right? Where is Terminal 10?

correct. 10 is the terminal the bow of the ships face. if you stand in front of 8, looking at the terminal, 10 is next on the right

 

[Mika02]

I'm so confused why they are doing additional Bahamian and Eastern. Hopefully that will be ship number 2 or 3 and not the 1st new one. They really need to expand certain itineraries to happen more frequently like Hawaii..

 

[dad of 3 addicted to DCL]

And the Eastern Mediterranean.

And Asia.

And Australia.

And...there's a big ol' world out there.

 

[Mika02]

And the Eastern Mediterranean.

And Asia.

And Australia.

And...there's a big ol' world out there.

Definitely

I was going to say Asia because I think they would do really well there but I know that's them entering into a new market.

 

[dad of 3 addicted to DCL]

Definitely

I was going to say Asia because I think they would do really well there but I know that's them entering into a new market.

Shanghai Disneyland?

 

[Mika02]

Shanghai Disneyland?

Cruise wise it's untested. And apparently Asian families cruise very different so that is a factor.

 

[truck1]

I'm so confused why they are doing additional Bahamian and Eastern. Hopefully that will be ship number 2 or 3 and not the 1st new one. They really need to expand certain itineraries to happen more frequently like Hawaii..

Lack of imagination maybe? I've been saying it for a while now about different itins. Whe all 4 ships were in Fl it was the perfect opportunity to try out different stops and longer cruises from both PC and Miami. The DCL standard of we need San Juan for deeper trips is pure cop out Royal, Princess and Carnival all do it in 7 to 10 days, from Miami and FtL and theres no excuse why DCL cant.

 

[peter11435]

There is some truth to that but Disney has not always been open about what they are doing. Anyone in central Florida real estate in the late 60’s might tell you that. WDW operations continue to hide behind a “local government” where the public office and private corporation often are the same thing. As we know WDW land was bought using dummy corporations.

"AyefourCorporation", "Latin-American Development and Management Corporation" and the "Reedy Creek Ranch Corporation". Some are now memorialized on a window above Main Street, U.S.A. in Magic Kingdom.

So even though the technology is new Disney is well practiced at working to keep information from the public view.

It is certainly true that Disney has a long history of keeping information secret and used code names decades ago for certain high profile projects. But the current practice of using a code name for every project (parks, hotels, attractions, ships, islands, and even restaurants) is a more recent development.

 

[peter11435]

Makes you wonder if that's officially how the crew refers to them or just that the CM read the same story.

The new build project is officially known as Project Triton.

 

[hardis5]

Lack of imagination maybe? I've been saying it for a while now about different itins. Whe all 4 ships were in Fl it was the perfect opportunity to try out different stops and longer cruises from both PC and Miami. The DCL standard of we need San Juan for deeper trips is pure cop out Royal, Princess and Carnival all do it in 7 to 10 days, from Miami and FtL and theres no excuse why DCL cant.

My uneducated guess is DCL does not want to mess with the money machine they have in current itineraries seemingly constantly pushing the fare envelope. With the new ships, we may see an existing ship do new, longer sailings in existing regions to push even further than fare ceiling while the new ship(s) get shakedown(s) and are proven on low risk routes. Sailing more distant/longer Caribbean sailings I don't think will happen till the number of LNG ports expands in the region.

 

[RedSox68]

My uneducated guess is DCL does not want to mess with the money machine they have in current itineraries seemingly constantly pushing the fare envelope. With the new ships, we may see an existing ship do new, longer sailings in existing regions to push even further than fare ceiling while the new ship(s) get shakedown(s) and are proven on low risk routes. Sailing more distant/longer Caribbean sailings I don't think will happen till the number of LNG ports expands in the region.

I have said for years that Disney has barely touched the Caribbean market. If you look at other cruise lines, they go to such extraordinary ports -- beyond the usual San Juan, St. Martin and St. Thomas! And while Disney has dipped their toe into some experimental stops like Jamaica, they could certainly go back to the 10-day Southern Caribbean cruises they did on the Wonder. That would give them three sailings a month, they could charge more for the longer sailings and they'd attract more interest by those of us who are just plain old tired of the same old itineraries.

In addition, so many other lines are doing partial Panama Canal sailings, round trip from Florida. That's another option they could look into.

Now here's a question for the future -- does anyone think that Disney might get involved with building boats for river cruises in Europe? ABD does river cruises through other lines, but back when Disney had the Big Red Boat, no one thought they would build their own ships either. Just a thought

 

[truck1]

My uneducated guess is DCL does not want to mess with the money machine they have in current itineraries seemingly constantly pushing the fare envelope. With the new ships, we may see an existing ship do new, longer sailings in existing regions to push even further than fare ceiling while the new ship(s) get shakedown(s) and are proven on low risk routes. Sailing more distant/longer Caribbean sailings I don't think will happen till the number of LNG ports expands in the region.

I disagree.
There not really messing with anything. If anything, it hurts them. Ive seen any number of posts where people are leaving DCL either temporarily or permanently due to either the pricing, itins or both. The consensus among those is, why would we spend this amount for a 7 day weve done 2 or 3 times when I can go to (insert line here) and for half the price get a longer cruise to different islands. How many people are replacing them is any ones guess. Yes, the 3/4 and the current 7s are cash cows. Thats why the new builds typically go to the existing routes. Thats true for any line. IIRC the Dream class cost 1.2 billion each to build, and were expected to pay themselves off in about 5 years.They were paid off in 3. But Carnival, Royal and any other line, didnt get that big by building 15 ships and every single one of them, do the same things. They change things up. They do 10s. They go to different islands.

LNG I dont think has anything to do with ship disposition, other then where can they homeport them. Any ship that sails has fuel onboard for a given number of hours of operations plus some for fudge factor. DCL, RCCL and any other line knows that the ships burn say 100gph of fuel, and the engineers fuel the ships accordingly. The ships have plenty of range to run longer trips with out refueling. They dont take on fuel at port stops unless absolutely necessary. Canal crossings and storm divert situations are about the only time theyll do it.

When the Magic and Wonder were back here, that was the perfect time to send 1 from Miami to different southern or eastern itins and the other on longer trips. They were here for only a few months, and it wouldnt have hurt DCL in the least as the ships were paid off, and they were smaller, so the financial hit of not filling a ship wouldnt be as bad. Just off the top of my head, DCL has never been to St Lucia, Turks and Caicos, Antiqua/Barbuda among others.

 

[ChicosWife]

Cruise wise it's untested. And apparently Asian families cruise very different so that is a factor.

Out of curiosity, how are they different?

 

[mcd2745]

I don't know if they can compete in the Asian market without a casino.

 

[AquaDame]

Just off the top of my head, DCL has never been to St Lucia, Turks and Caicos, Antiqua/Barbuda among others.

I agree with much of what you've written but DCL has been to St Lucia as part of the southern itineraries. I've gone there with them twice.

I also feel like they should be very interested in the Asian market.... there is a lot of money to be had if they can figure out a way to make one of their cruise ships 'authentically Disney, distinctly Chinese' as they did Shanghai Disneyland.

 

[truck1]

I agree with much of what you've written but DCL has been to St Lucia as part of the southern itineraries. I've gone there with them twice.

I also feel like they should be very interested in the Asian market.... there is a lot of money to be had if they can figure out a way to make one of their cruise ships 'authentically Disney, distinctly Chinese' as they did Shanghai Disneyland.

If there been to St Lucia i apologize. I somehow missed that itinerary. However I am sure there's a lot of other islands Disney has not touched in any way shape or form in the Caribbean'.

As far is the Asian market I don't think Disney's anywhere near ready for that from what I understand the clientele over their likes to gamble which disney has no casinoAnd from what I have read there are several other things that they look for that the Disney ships simply do not have.

 

[truck1]

Out of curiosity, how are they different?

For one thing they look for a casino on their ships and if I'm not mistaken from what I read they look for more bars and that type of entertainment. I'll have to go back and try and find the article that listed the difference between the Asian purpose built ship that Norwegian built versus the standard cruise ship

 

[Mika02]

Out of curiosity, how are they different?

Definitely need Casinos, lots of Bars and more buffets with familiar food. Much more smoking areas as well.

A few of those things are just kind of Anti Disney.

 

[mmmears]

And the Eastern Mediterranean.

And Asia.

And Australia.

And...there's a big ol' world out there.

Yes, Yes, and Yes. And add New Zealand in there, along with Australia. There are other non-Asian specific ships in all of these locations now (Princess, Viking, Celebrity, Royal...) and they seem to be doing ok. There are only 2 current DCL itineraries out there that interest me, but it's a big world out there with so many places to go. I'd like to do the PC, but compared to other lines DCL isn't stopping at many interesting ports so I haven't booked.