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[Alicnwondrln]

i hate to say this but i dont know why you guys fight over this crap. Most people think Bush and Cheney are wrong but there supporters will NEVER Admit it, EVER. That guy who just said Bsuh was not 100% honest thats like one of the worst things about Bush i have ever seen a bush supporter say.
With the republicans controlling congress if there was a DEM in th white house and all the same things were going on we would already have impeachement hearings going on this is what makes the bush people so hypocritical cuz they would be bashing the DEM president into dush

 

[richiebaseball]

Kindly point out to me which Democrats have leaked secrets and which are guilty of massive hypocrisy on the scale of those mentioned and I will be glad to condemn them right along with Bush and the corrupt Republican leadership. Otherwise, just saying "nuh uh" and "he started it" just doesn't cut it.

So it's scale now. First nuance, now scale.

Fine.

Does it matter how many deferments Howard Dean received?
Will John Bolton be a great guy if he wins the Nobel Peace Prize?
Does it take a genius to figure out that there are indeed several instances where an Abramoff client donated to Harry Reid shortly after Reid intervened on their behalf? Doesn't that matter?

I have a feeling we're going to need more rolling eye smileys for you.

 

[richiebaseball]

Here's a simple and honest question, Richie;

Do you feel that this adminstration has, through it's actions, upheld the high ethical standard that it has set for itself on numerous occasions?

Yes or no?

Simple and honest answer. No.

Here's one for you. Which was the last administration to, through it's actions, uphold the high ethical standard that they set for themselves? Probably on numerous occasions.

(Edited after the fact), when you're done answering that question, please direct me to a previous post of mine where I have been factually incorrect. If I am wrong, I will be the first person to admit it publicly here on the boards. But having never voted for Bill Clinton and growing up in a mostly republican family, I find your perception and attempts to deflect criticism rather amusing.

First, I have neither the time nor inclination to research your posts. I'd love to tell you I'll certainly watch closely from now on but the time I don't have now, I don't forsee having in the near future either. My posts on here are hit and miss.
Second, perhaps the fact that you didn't vote for Clinton (I'm assuming you voted Republican and not just for a different Democrat) makes you think you have a more moderate view of the current administration. And I can understand that feeling. I did vote for Bill Clinton. Twice.
Bottom line, you continue to look through your glasses and I'll continue to look through mine.
And I'm glad I amuse you. The feeling is mutual.

 

[Mugg Mann]

Simple and honest answer. No.

Here's one for you. Which was the last administration to, through it's actions, uphold the high ethical standard that they set for themselves? Probably on numerous occasions..

If the only criteria is ethics and not competence, the answer is the Carter administration. I'd include the Ford administration as well except for the pardoning of Nixon.

First, I have neither the time nor inclination to research your posts.

Translation; "I'm not as concerned with facts as I am with making allegations."

 

[richiebaseball]

Translation; "I'm not as concerned with facts as I am with making allegations."

If I do the research, will I find you subscribe to Michael Moore facts? You know, things like, George W Bush received more votes in 2004 than any Presidential candidate ever. Factually true but complete hogwash in reality.

Edited to add: And if you didn't vote for Clinton, Bill Clinton, who did you vote for?

 

[Mugg Mann]

If I do the research, will I find you subscribe to Michael Moore facts? You know, things like, George W Bush received more votes in 2004 than any Presidential candidate ever. Factually true but complete hogwash in reality.

Nope, but you will find cites news articles from the Washington Post, the New York Times and transcripts from the official White House site. There are some on these boards who describe straight news articles from those first two as some sort of liberal hogwash. Hopefully you're above that. I'll consider any source that can credibly cite the research that constitutes the backbone of the argument made in the source.

 

[Mugg Mann]

Edited to add: And if you didn't vote for Clinton, Bill Clinton, who did you vote for?

I just noticed this, sorry I didn't answer in my last post. Perot twice. I knew he never had a chance of winning either time (and frankly, I'm quite sure I'd never want to see him as president), but my hope in casting the vote for someone other than a democrat or republican was to break the two-party stranglehold on the system. As a country, we can do better. Much better, in fact.

 

[richiebaseball]

Nope, but you will find cites news articles from the Washington Post, the New York Times and transcripts from the official White House site. There are some on these boards who describe straight news articles from those first two as some sort of liberal hogwash. Hopefully you're above that.

The Post is okay. NYT? Hit or miss. More miss I'm thinking. And if you can't admit the NYT leans left then you really have no place complaining about the right leanings of Fox News.

 

[Mugg Mann]

The Post is okay. NYT? Hit or miss. More miss I'm thinking. And if you can't admit the NYT leans left then you really have no place complaining about the right leanings of Fox News.

The editorial page does, but not the news articles. Shall I pull up many of the stories the NYT broke on Whitewater for you?

 

[bsnyder]

...of vice-president Dick "calm, mature, and reassuring" Cheney!

Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff testified that his bosses instructed him to leak information to reporters from a high-level intelligence report that suggested Iraq was trying to obtain weapons of mass destruction, according to court records in the CIA leak case.

Cheney was one of the "superiors" I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby said had authorized him to make the disclosures, according to sources familiar with the investigation into Libby's discussions with reporters about CIA operative Valerie Plame.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/09/AR2006020902117.html?sub=AR

I wonder who the other "bosses" to be named are? Hmmmm......who else would be deemed a superior to the vice-presidential chief of staff?

Hmmmm....I think you forgot to quote a relevant portion of the article you cite: (the bold emphasis is mine)

But it is unclear whether Cheney instructed his former top aide to release classified information, because parts of the National Intelligence Estimate were previously declassified.

 

[Puffy2]

If only it would truely happen... but unfortuantly, I fear that all justice has been lost in this country. I pray that I am wrong and there is still a thread of hope.

 

[eclectics]

Call it hypocrisy, partisanship, bias, it's all the same. The inability to see a complete picture because you're stuck on one side. My statement did not exclude either party because both are guilty of it. There are indeed many who play it to win regardless of consequences. The frequency tends to be different only depending on which side one looks at it from and which party holds the upper hand at the moment.

I think we here on these boards represent a good cross section of America and I can't help but notice the hostility (sometimes extreme) on any political thread that's posted. It really is one side against the other, here, and in real life. I myself have said some things I should have thought out better and I suppose others have also. I've been around quite a while, sigh, and I've never seen this country be so vehemently partisan, even during Watergate. It got me wondering how and when it started and I really can't put my finger on any one event or election. I know the election of Clinton ruffled a lot of feathers but I wonder if that is when it started. All I know is that this country is really headed to grief if we can't somehow find a way to work together. Maybe we just can't have one party (either party) run the entire show. Maybe something as simple as sharing could be the answer. I don't know. I may have seen a lot but I wasn't around when FDR and the Dems ran the entire show for more than one Presidential cycle. Perhaps folks felt the same back then. Anyway, just a ramble from me. Don't want to hijack.

 

[hydster]

If only it would truely happen... but unfortuantly, I fear that all justice has been lost in this country. I pray that I am wrong and there is still a thread of hope.

Me too Puffy2 except that I no longer have hope! I think we are spinning in the toilet hoping that the administration wont decide to flush.

I know that the next Presidential election will NOT come fast enough for me.

 

[Laura]

I know that the next Presidential election will NOT come fast enough for me.

I'm with you there!

 

[richiebaseball]

I think we here on these boards represent a good cross section of America and I can't help but notice the hostility (sometimes extreme) on any political thread that's posted. It really is one side against the other, here, and in real life. I myself have said some things I should have thought out better and I suppose others have also. I've been around quite a while, sigh, and I've never seen this country be so vehemently partisan, even during Watergate. It got me wondering how and when it started and I really can't put my finger on any one event or election. I know the election of Clinton ruffled a lot of feathers but I wonder if that is when it started. All I know is that this country is really headed to grief if we can't somehow find a way to work together. Maybe we just can't have one party (either party) run the entire show. Maybe something as simple as sharing could be the answer. I don't know. I may have seen a lot but I wasn't around when FDR and the Dems ran the entire show for more than one Presidential cycle. Perhaps folks felt the same back then. Anyway, just a ramble from me. Don't want to hijack.

Well said and it echoes many of my thoughts.

 

[shortbun]

It's really a shame but it does appear that to many, this is indeed a game. The effect on the country doesn't really matter as long as their side wins. "Just stick it to the other party at all costs" should actually be in the national platform. Pity, really.

Ya know...(exasperated)these guys are crooks and they think they are above the law. (it is becoming clearer to many) My laughter is really horror but it's much easier to laugh than cry over the Nixonesque mess that is being uncovered. Some of us knew it in the beginning. Can't help it if I'm feeling relief that the crooks are having their feet held to the fire. Tough if you don't like it. This is national security and people's lives are at stake. You all are still dancing over a stinkin' blue dress for heaven's sake. "just stick it to the other party at all costs" indeed!!!