New Contest! Guess the indictment date...

[Mugg Mann]

...of vice-president Dick "calm, mature, and reassuring" Cheney!

Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff testified that his bosses instructed him to leak information to reporters from a high-level intelligence report that suggested Iraq was trying to obtain weapons of mass destruction, according to court records in the CIA leak case.

Cheney was one of the "superiors" I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby said had authorized him to make the disclosures, according to sources familiar with the investigation into Libby's discussions with reporters about CIA operative Valerie Plame.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/09/AR2006020902117.html?sub=AR

I wonder who the other "bosses" to be named are? Hmmmm......who else would be deemed a superior to the vice-presidential chief of staff?

 

[Servants of Evan]

That makes Scooter just one of the Weapons of Mass Disinformation! Have they opened the records from Cheney's Energy Policy meeting yet? Hmmmm, Exxon-Mobil and Chevron posted record profits this past quarter. Gee, I wonder what they talked about... Dick's retirement account?

 

[diznygirl]

I win - no indictment at all. This drags on until the end of the term, and then - if necessary - Cheney gets pardoned before Bush leaves office.

What's the prize? A Trip to WDW? I sure could use one of those.

 

[richiebaseball]

...of vice-president Dick "calm, mature, and reassuring" Cheney!

You first.

 

[Mugg Mann]

You first.

Oh no, I insist. Go right ahead!

 

[shortbun]

November 17, 2006 is my guess
It's after the congressional elections; office has it's perks
This is like the game we play at work about when a baby is going to be delivered but WAY more fun!!!!!

 

[richiebaseball]

Oh no, I insist. Go right ahead!

Well, GW sure as heck won't find his cattle with you.

 

[richiebaseball]

November 17, 2006 is my guess
It's after the congressional elections; office has it's perks
This is like the game we play at work about when a baby is going to be delivered but WAY more fun!!!!!

It's really a shame but it does appear that to many, this is indeed a game. The effect on the country doesn't really matter as long as their side wins. "Just stick it to the other party at all costs" should actually be in the national platform. Pity, really.

 

[Mulan'sMom]

I'll be cynical and go with "never" - not that he doesn't richly deserve it. Between the "lost" e-mails and the party bigwigs pouring 2.5 million into Libby's defense fund (not to save Libby's behind, I'm sure) I'm betting that Libby falls on his sword and does a year or two in a country club prison, to emerge to a cushy job in a rightwing "Think Tank" or a commentator gig on Fox News.

 

[Mugg Mann]

It's really a shame but it does appear that to many, this is indeed a game. The effect on the country doesn't really matter as long as their side wins. "Just stick it to the other party at all costs" should actually be in the national platform. Pity, really.

And to many of us, it's not a game at all. There is another word for it, though; justice.

Based on the tone of your political posts, it would be unrealistic to expect you to acknowledge this. For those of us who do in fact care about the gross abuse of power by the current administration that has led to deaths of innocent human beings and the bulldozing of reputations of whistleblowers trying to stop them from doing the wrong thing, Fitzgerald's legal process cannot move quickly enough.

 

[wvrevy]

It's really a shame but it does appear that to many, this is indeed a game. The effect on the country doesn't really matter as long as their side wins. "Just stick it to the other party at all costs" should actually be in the national platform. Pity, really.

I wonder if Nixon's supporters used these lines? But then, all Nixon really did was cover up a crime. He didn't actually use the Bill of Rights as toilet tissue, as the current administration seems to be doing.

But hey...the Dems are the bad guys here, right? Never mind that the vice president ordered the outing of a CIA agent in hopes of embarrassing her husband who had dared to criticize his...er...I mean...Bush's administration.

 

[FergieTCat]

I win - no indictment at all. This drags on until the end of the term, and then - if necessary - Cheney gets pardoned before Bush leaves office.

What's the prize? A Trip to WDW? I sure could use one of those.

*nodding head in complete agreement*

 

[wvrevy]

*nodding head in complete agreement*

I agree as well, sad as that is. Cheney will be pardoned by Bush, regardless of what happens, and Bush will not be made to answer for it unless the Republicans are voted out of control of Congress in November. Even then, I'm not sure the Dems will push for impeachment, as they should.

 

[Mugg Mann]

I wonder if Nixon's supporters used these lines? But then, all Nixon really did was cover up a crime. He didn't actually use the Bill of Rights as toilet tissue, as the current administration seems to be doing.

But hey...the Dems are the bad guys here, right? Never mind that the vice president ordered the outing of a CIA agent in hopes of embarrassing her husband who had dared to criticize his...er...I mean...Bush's administration.

And let's not forget what White House spokesman Scott McClellan said on 9/23/2003 when all this broke; "The President has set high standards, the highest of standards for people in his administration. He's made it very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration." McClellan went on to say "The president believes leaking classified information is a very serious matter and it should be pursued to the fullest extent by the appropriate agency and the appropriate agency is the Department of Justice."

If the president is/was a man of his word, Dick Cheney would no longer be in this administration. In light of the recent revelations provided by prosecutor Fitzgerald, draw your own conclusion....

 

[wvrevy]

Yes, but you're talking about a man who, shortly after mentioning the importance of ethical standards in his SOTU speech walked out of the room with Tom Delay practically in his hip pocket. You're talking about a man that mentioned the importance of education in a room where his fellow republicans just gutted education spending. You're talking about a man who talked about the need for alternative energy and whose budget for the coming year makes massive cuts in federal research funding.

Why would one more hypocrisy added to the list even make you blink?

 

[Mugg Mann]

Yes, but you're talking about a man who, shortly after mentioning the importance of ethical standards in his SOTU speech walked out of the room with Tom Delay practically in his hip pocket. You're talking about a man that mentioned the importance of education in a room where his fellow republicans just gutted education spending. You're talking about a man who talked about the need for alternative energy and whose budget for the coming year makes massive cuts in federal research funding.

Why would one more hypocrisy added to the list even make you blink?

As you well know, it doesn't make me blink, but there are many people on the boards who refuse to look objectively at the facts and are seemingly incapable of perceiving that our current president may in fact be less than 100% honest. That's why I'll always have respect for posters like Tigger_Magic, who was honest enough to admit that there was more than enough there to view this administration differently.

BTW, while you're stockpiling factual ammunition, don't forget his current claim that he has no association with Jack Abramhoff. It'll be interesting to remember that quote in a few months time.....

 

[richiebaseball]

And to many of us, it's not a game at all. There is another word for it, though; justice.

Based on the tone of your political posts, it would be unrealistic to expect you to acknowledge this. For those of us who do in fact care about the gross abuse of power by the current administration that has led to deaths of innocent human beings and the bulldozing of reputations of whistleblowers trying to stop them from doing the wrong thing, Fitzgerald's legal process cannot move quickly enough.

I wonder if Nixon's supporters used these lines? But then, all Nixon really did was cover up a crime. He didn't actually use the Bill of Rights as toilet tissue, as the current administration seems to be doing.

But hey...the Dems are the bad guys here, right? Never mind that the vice president ordered the outing of a CIA agent in hopes of embarrassing her husband who had dared to criticize his...er...I mean...Bush's administration.

I suggest you read my original reply again, only this time take the blinders off. I will repeat for those that of slightly hard-of-hearing and/or have reading comprehension problems.

It's really a shame but it does appear that to many, this is indeed a game. The effect on the country doesn't really matter as long as their side wins. "Just stick it to the other party at all costs" should actually be in the national platform. Pity, really.

Call it hypocrisy, partisanship, bias, it's all the same. The inability to see a complete picture because you're stuck on one side. My statement did not exclude either party because both are guilty of it. There are indeed many who play it to win regardless of consequences. The frequency tends to be different only depending on which side one looks at it from and which party holds the upper hand at the moment.

Of course I wouldn't really expect either of you to notice that.

And no, one side doing it doesn't make it okay for the other so spare us that tired old red herring.

 

[wvrevy]

I suggest you read my original reply again, only this time take the blinders off. I will repeat for those that of slightly hard-of-hearing and/or have reading comprehension problems.

Call it hypocrisy, partisanship, bias, it's all the same. The inability to see a complete picture because you're stuck on one side. My statement did not exclude either party because both are guilty of it. There are indeed many who play it to win regardless of consequences. The frequency tends to be different only depending on which side one looks at it from and which party holds the upper hand at the moment.

Of course I wouldn't really expect either of you to notice that.

And no, one side doing it doesn't make it okay for the other so spare us that tired old red herring.

Kindly point out to me which Democrats have leaked secrets and which are guilty of massive hypocrisy on the scale of those mentioned and I will be glad to condemn them right along with Bush and the corrupt Republican leadership. Otherwise, just saying "nuh uh" and "he started it" just doesn't cut it.

 

[richiebaseball]

As you well know, it doesn't make me blink, but there are many people on the boards who refuse to look objectively at the facts and are seemingly incapable of perceiving that our current president may in fact be less than 100% honest.

The second part of that statement may contain some truth. Our current president may indeed be less than 100% honest. And to borrow a phrase from a former/present/former/present Disser (I'm sure my numbers are off but really, who can keep up), I'm inclined to believe he's more of a passenger on the turnip truck than the driver.

None of that changes the fact that the first part of your statement, specifically,

but there are many people on the boards who refuse to look objectively at the facts

ranks right up there as one of the best pot/kettle moments.

 

[Mugg Mann]

Here's a simple and honest question, Richie;

Do you feel that this adminstration has, through it's actions, upheld the high ethical standard that it has set for itself on numerous occasions?

Yes or no?

(Edited after the fact), when you're done answering that question, please direct me to a previous post of mine where I have been factually incorrect. If I am wrong, I will be the first person to admit it publicly here on the boards. But having never voted for Bill Clinton and growing up in a mostly republican family, I find your perception and attempts to deflect criticism rather amusing.