New $500 Resale DVC Transfer Fee

[gvel]

*if there is still availability

It made it cheaper for everyone, including owners, who get the first pick. So if the decrease moves more owners to the Savannah rooms there may be less available at 7 months for non owners. I know I for one am more likely to go Savannah over Resort view now

Sure if there is availability... but honestly unless it is high season, AKV tends to have decent availability at 7 months. AKV is not BWV or BCV.

 

[mkatsy]

agree. Watched so many uproars over the years (and I’m just a short timer at 16.5 years of owning). In time, people forget or maybe better term is worry about the next shiny object.

Anyone really think DVC owners will be complaining when all the MK expansion, AK expansion, Monsters Inc coaster, etc make tens of millions want to attend WDW for several years? I think people will be thrilled owning DVC because it means years/decades of family memories experiencing new in ovations from a family oriented company.

Good advice with only two years in for me, it’s probably better to focus on the big picture. My family has such a wonderful time at the resorts, I can’t imagine not owning DVC.

 

[AstroBlasters]

agree. Watched so many uproars over the years (and I’m just a short timer at 16.5 years of owning). In time, people forget or maybe better term is worry about the next shiny object.

Anyone really think DVC owners will be complaining when all the MK expansion, AK expansion, Monsters Inc coaster, etc make tens of millions want to attend WDW for several years? I think people will be thrilled owning DVC because it means years/decades of family memories experiencing new in ovations from a family oriented company.

 

[Sandisw]

Are you sure this applies to DVCMC's compensation?
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Scratch that....

I think you may be right and I read this backwards for the increase...they can't vote a certain way unless 60% of the unit agrees with the vote they will cast....

But its still by unit...not by the all owners....so, you if you have one unit that has 95% of the owners vote no, and two units that have just 60% at yes, you still get two yes votes, even if the total % of all three units might not be at 60%

Getting everyone to vote a certain way isn't easy and why I said that it is almost impossible to have an influence...if they asked to raise the % of the fee paid to DVCMC, and gave a reason that makes sense to owners, many will probably agree to let it happen.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Scratch that....

I think you may be right and I read this backwards for the increase...they can't vote a certain way unless 60% of the unit agrees with the vote they will cast....

But its still by unit...not by the all owners....so, you if you have one unit that has 95% of the owners vote no, and two units that have just 60% at yes, you still get two yes votes, even if the total % of all three units might not be at 60%

Getting everyone to vote a certain way isn't easy and why I said that it is almost impossible to have an influence...if they asked to raise the % of the fee paid to DVCMC, and gave a reason that makes sense to owners, many will probably agree to let it happen.

They would be wise not to mess with the VGC membership right now… it wouldn’t go well for them given our small membership size and animosity about the refurb….

 

[Chili327]

What I dont understand is this

There are 18 value studios.

There are 57 savanna views at Jambo and 108 at Kidani. That’s a total of 165 savanna view studio rooms.

The increase for a week is 7 x 18 =126 points for value studios.

For club level studios its 14 x 5 = 70 points

The decrease for savanna view studios are: 7 x 165 =1.155 points.

If they can’t make an adjustment across room types then this does not add up?

I think they just have to divide it up so it evens out, your math just isn't deep enough. They cal move things around all they want within the chart, but they can't add or remove any point value. The total still had to be the same.

They would be wise not to mess with the VGC membership right now… it wouldn’t go well for them given out small membership size and animosity about the refurb….

Indeed!

 

[Leight19]

I think they just have to divide it up so it evens out, your math just isn't deep enough. They cal move things around all they want within the chart, but they can't add or remove any point value. The total still had to be the same.



Indeed!

Just to confirm, my math was off as I switched savanah and standard room counts so this change likely would be point neutral so error on my part. That said, legally it’s not clear if they are allowed to move points between room categories. They have done it before without challenge but that doesn’t mean they legally can. In fact they recently tried few years back and had to revert changes when pressed. Back then there were discussions and at time people who looked into legality made compelling arguments against it.

First I believe the language around adjusting point charts specifically calls out adjustments to balance seasonal demand. There is no such language that grants them authority to balance across categories.

Second, and I think more compelling, each unit that is declared specifically declares specific rooms. It is very likely for any resort the change across room categories is moving points from one unit to another. For akv, this is blatantly clear since the jambo only room categories went up and all savanah rooms, including kidani, went down.

I don’t legally own 310 points at akv, I legally am deeded a percentage of a unit at kidani that is represented by the 310 points. With this change, my legal ownership is diluted as the number of points in a year for my unit is now less then required to book so my unit has over 100% ownership based on points we have.

Edit to add: if I happened to own membership of unit at jambo defined with value or concierge rooms I 100% would be calling them now to ask when they would be loading the additional points I now own based on my % ownership of that specifc unit which now has a higher point total.

 

[eticketplease]

First I believe the language around adjusting point charts specifically calls out adjustments to balance seasonal demand. There is no such language that grants them authority to balance across categories.

Unfortunately these commercial renters always seem to be "in season"
Even though the Value rooms increased they will continue to be grabbed by these commercial renters as there is still more profit with this category still being 2-4 points less than resort view for studios.

 

[Sandisw]

Just to confirm, my math was off as I switched savanah and standard room counts so this change likely would be point neutral so error on my part. That said, legally it’s not clear if they are allowed to move points between room categories. They have done it before without challenge but that doesn’t mean they legally can. In fact they recently tried few years back and had to revert changes when pressed. Back then there were discussions and at time people who looked into legality made compelling arguments against it.

First I believe the language around adjusting point charts specifically calls out adjustments to balance seasonal demand. There is no such language that grants them authority to balance across categories.

Second, and I think more compelling, each unit that is declared specifically declares specific rooms. It is very likely for any resort the change across room categories is moving points from one unit to another. For akv, this is blatantly clear since the jambo only room categories went up and all savanah rooms, including kidani, went down.

I don’t legally own 310 points at akv, I legally am deeded a percentage of a unit at kidani that is represented by the 310 points. With this change, my legal ownership is diluted as the number of points in a year for my unit is now less then required to book so my unit has over 100% ownership based on points we have.

Edit to add: if I happened to own membership of unit at jambo defined with value or concierge rooms I 100% would be calling them now to ask when they would be loading the additional points I now own based on my % ownership of that specifc unit which now has a higher point total.

The points for CL come from other units. The POS explains it in detail.

If the CL services were stopped, those points would be moved back to other category of rooms.

But please move room discussions to the point chart thread…

No more here so this can stay in conversation about eh new $500 CAF.

 

[Sandisw]

They would be wise not to mess with the VGC membership right now… it wouldn’t go well for them given our small membership size and animosity about the refurb….

I don't think they would try it anyway, but it was interesting that there is something in there already that does allow them to give DVCMC more money....and while owners have some say because the voting rep has to have approval from 60% of each unit, I think it would be likely that it would happen anyway.