neighors internet down...... asked if I would

[njcarita]

let them on my secure wireless system for a while..... till they get their fixed...
daughter just got an ipod touch for christmas and is totally bummed she can't download itunes and use it,,,,

shes coming over later with her laptop asked if I'd program sercuritycode
.... is it okay to do?? anything illegal about it? can they see what I am doing on my computer.....etc....

 

[dodukes]

nothing wrong with it, unless you think they are going to start doing something illegale from your internet like child porn or something. also no she cannot see what you are doing on your laptop altho if everything is shared on y our network, she may be able to view files, but again, im assuming this is a young kid that all she wants to do is play with her new itouch. regardless after they were done, i would change the password to prevent anything happeing in the future.

 

[kirbsam]

i think it is ballsy for them to ask that. especially since it is just a convenience thing and not something important like a school project. i would be taken aback by the request, and i am not sure what i would do actually...

 

[LuvCuteBoys]

i think it is ballsy for them to ask that. especially since it is just a convenience thing and not something important like a school project. i would be taken aback by the request, and i am not sure what i would do actually...

Totally depends on your relationship with your neighbors.

 

[coinkc]

She could also go to somewhere that has free wi-fi and use her ipod there. The library, Panera, and even some McDonalds around here have it.

This is what my daughter did last year when she got her itouch and we didn't have wireless internet set up in the house yet.

 

[OceanAnnie]

i think it is ballsy for them to ask that. especially since it is just a convenience thing and not something important like a school project. i would be taken aback by the request, and i am not sure what i would do actually...

ITA.

I would be taken aback too. I wouldn't do it.

I wouldn't share my security code.

That's just me.

 

[bicker]

nothing wrong with it

Actually, it is a violation of the terms and conditions of service with the ISP, for most (if not all) of the major ISPs in the country. Here's a quote from the terms and conditions from one of the major ISPs:

The Service is designed for personal and family use within a single household... Customer agrees that only the Customer and co-residents living in the same household will use the Service. The term ‘single household’ means the Customer’s home and includes an apartment, condominium, flat or other residential unit that may be used as a residence in any multiple dwelling unit. Customer may not resell or distribute the Service outside Customer’s household.

The likelihood of getting caught may be small, but that doesn't mitigate the fact that it is a violation.

unless you think they are going to start doing something illegale from your internet like child porn or something.

Generally, the subscriber is responsible for all activity that takes place via the provided Internet connection, and is therefore presumed culpable if the connection is used for illegal purposes. It isn't unheard-of for the law to turn its attention away from the subscriber, to the neighbor, if it can be well-established that the neighbor was the transgressor (and therefore can be brought to justice for their transgression), and that the subscriber had taken reasonable precautions to prevent illegal use of their Internet connection, and didn't know that the neighbor had co-opted the connection.

 

[Keli]

Unless I had worries about the neighbors I would do it and then change the password tomorrow.

 

[Dax]

Unless I had worries about the neighbors I would do it and then change the password tomorrow.

THIS...change your password as SOON as this is done...to something very different..or you may find them piggybacking again and again

 

[LuvCuteBoys]

Actually, it is a violation of the terms and conditions of service with the ISP, for most (if not all) of the major ISPs in the country. Here's a quote from the terms and conditions from one of the major ISPs:

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The likelihood of getting caught may be small, but that doesn't mitigate the fact that it is a violation.

Generally, the subscriber is responsible for all activity that takes place via the provided Internet connection, and is therefore presumed culpable if the connection is used for illegal purposes. It isn't unheard-of for the law to turn its attention away from the subscriber, to the neighbor, if it can be well-established that the neighbor was the transgressor (and therefore can be brought to justice for their transgression), and that the subscriber had taken reasonable precautions to prevent illegal use of their Internet connection, and didn't know that the neighbor had co-opted the connection.

Hmmm.... I didn't know #1 (not really something I would ever have to worry about) but don't the two things kind of contradict themselves? Granted, it's two different entities, so I suppose in that case it makes sense. Just seems ironic in a way.

Based on #1, I probably would NOT let them do it. But if it's a neighbor you're close with, I don't see that it's necessarily out of line for them to ask (as long as they're not purposely to violate an agreement).

 

[bicker]

Hmmm.... I didn't know #1 (not really something I would ever have to worry about) but don't the two things kind of contradict themselves? Granted, it's two different entities, so I suppose in that case it makes sense. Just seems ironic in a way.

You hit on the distinction: #1 is a contract violation - a civil offense, breaching an agreement you entered into with someone (the ISP). #2 is a criminal offense, a violation against society. It's not contradiction: It's simply a matter of the proverbial and amorphous "they" getting you "coming and going".

 

[LuvCuteBoys]

You hit on the distinction: #1 is a contract violation - a civil offense, breaching an agreement you entered into with someone (the ISP). #2 is a criminal offense, a violation against society. It's not contradiction: It's simply a matter of the proverbial and amorphous "they" getting you "coming and going".

That's kind of what I figured after my original "that doesn't make sense" reaction. LOL.

 

[dodukes]

Really...I dont know one single person who doesnt share their internet with guests....I'm sure the contract is there for something major like if you start sharing with whole neighborhood and no one else subscribes, i dont see them coming after you for letting guests onto your network.

 

[Magic Mom]

Totally depends on your relationship with your neighbors.

You're right. it depends on the relationship.

 

[bicker]

Really...I dont know one single person who doesnt share their internet with guests....

This isn't a matter of sharing the connection with guests, but rather with neighbors.

I think you're misinterpreting that portion of the TOS that says "personal and family use" - I believe that is describing the nature of use, not necessarily the nature of users.

Guests could be considered co-residents for a short period of time; neighbors cannot be by any stretch of the imagination. They'd need to be inside the household for that logic to carry.

I'm sure the contract is there for something major like if you start sharing with whole neighborhood and no one else subscribes, i dont see them coming after you for letting guests onto your network.

As I said, they risk of being caught is small. That doesn't mean it isn't still a violation. It is. Interpreted your way, even use by a guest is a violation (though I think your interpretation is wrong about that), so surely use by a neighbor is a violation.

 

[DVC-Don]

I'd do with my neighbors, but would change the pass code ASAP.

 

[sue and co]

I agree it all depends on your relationship with your neighbours. For good neighbours it is a reasonable request although I would also change the password once the daughter had finished, if they are neighbours you do not really know or do not get along with then I would find a reason why it was not convenient.

 

[MrsJackSparrow4Life]

Unless I had worries about the neighbors I would do it and then change the password tomorrow.

^^This is what I would do if I was close to the neighbor.

This reminds me of a story

I babysat for a friend once and needed to do something on my laptop for school so I asked her husband if he would sign me onto their wifi. He said absolutely not and acted like I was going to steal something from them.

A couple of years later they came over to our house and he needed to get on his computer and wanted me to give him my password for our wifi. Needless to say, that didn't happen I made him go to the McDonalds that is down the road.

 

[kirbsam]

have her go to starbucks

 

[Pakey]

Our neighbors borrow everything else from us; I guess a little wifi wouldn't make any difference.