Need REFI - MORTGAGE help!

annabelle

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WHO: Me (SAHM) and DH, 3 kids
WHAT: $245k loan on home (value $317, balance $155k) 5.37% fixed 30 yrs
WHEN: bought 2004 (planning on staying here long term)
DEBT: nothing but the house!

Two options we're looking at:

1.) Straight refinance thru our existing loan holder (Chase). 4.5% 30 yr loan, brings down the payment $300, NO CLOSING COSTS (appraisal, fees, escrow and other crap fees). If we don't pay the lower amount and just keep paying the SAME amount we've been paying, that knocks the loan down to 17 yrs and just under 15 yrs if we do that PLUS throw in an extra full payment/yr).

2.) Refi to a 15 yr 3.75% loan thru our bank (Regions)... 1/2 payment will be auto-drafted every other Tuesday. Total monthly amount is $50 MORE than what we're currently paying. The numbers equate to making an extra mortgage payment/yr because of how the weeks fall, so the loan is really a 13.5 yr loan. WOO HOO! Out of debt even faster! But there are about $2k in closing costs with this option. :rolleyes:

CONCERNS: My husband's job is in sales, which is UP and DOWN depending on the year. And really, this job is not guaranteed year after year (such is the nature of sales). But for TEN years, he's made a good living for our family... and we've been able to beat down our mortgage. But we're not sure about his job security going into this next year. This is why option 1 looks enticing. We wouldn't be obligated to as BIG of a mortgage payment but can make EXTRA payments as money is there (which we've done many, many times in the past).

If I had a crystal ball and knew job security would be there for many years out, we'd jump on option 2 in a heartbeat! Owning our home in 13.5 years is VERY appealing... b/c I know it would be even sooner with us doing our due diligence beating down the principle any chance we'd get. Even if we rode out the life of the loan, the total money outlay would be MUCH LESS being a 15 yr vs 30 yr.

Any bits of advice?? What am I missing here?? Anyone ever do a bi-weekly auto draft? We looked at a straight 15 yr loan (that isn't auto-drafted) but the closing costs were much higher. We're trying to get this refi done with as little extra "fees" involved.

Thanks everyone!! :thumbsup2
 
Personally, I'd do option one where you aren't obligated to the higher payment - and then continue higher payments whenever possible.

That's what we've been doing and we'll pay off soon, exactly 12 years after we bought the house. We took the 'safest' route rather than opting for a 15 year mortgage, but since we never needed that safety we always paid extra.
 
The part I am unsure about is how exactly you have paid off $90k in principal in 6 yrs on a 30 yr mortgate, that number does not make sense. So the rest of the numbers don't make sense to me either...

I have a similar mortgage situtation (numbers and dates are pretty close to yours). We are in the middle of a refi with a 20 yr (from 30), no points, 4.3% mortgage. Our payments will be ever so slightly (like a few bucks) less than what we pay now, but we are taking 5 years off the loan. I personally would not start over with a new 30 yr...but like I said your numbers don't sound right or there is something missing in the explanation.
 
I'd do option #1 and pay extra when you can.

We went to a 15 year mortgage 9 years ago. At the time the payment was only $200 more than what our 30 year mortgage was (this included escrows). Well with increases in property taxes and homeowners insurance the payment is now almost $600/mo higher. We can still afford it because we don't have any other debt, but there are those months that the extra $200 in hand would make life a bit easier.
 

I"m actually in the process of refinancing right now, also, and we chose to go with another 30 year-we also considered the 15 year one. It's just that, with 5 kids, an aging roof, and old cars, we didn't want to lock ourselves into higher payments. However, we did figure it all out and we plan to pay enough more towards the principle that we will pay it off around 15 years anyway. But, if something were to go wrong, at least we're not locked into that and could make the lower payments for a time if we had to. But hopefully we won't and we'll pay this thing off in 15 :)
 
The part I am unsure about is how exactly you have paid off $90k in principal in 6 yrs on a 30 yr mortgate, that number does not make sense. So the rest of the numbers don't make sense to me either...

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Sorry... I did leave that part out. We've been throwing bonus checks at our principle any chance we can. That's why it's been aggressively beat down.
But his job security is an unknown factor (like it is for everyone right now I suppose).
 
I would go with option 1. You have obviously demonstrated that you can pay additional payments, so give yourself some breathing room in case you need it.
 
Sorry... I did leave that part out. We've been throwing bonus checks at our principle any chance we can. That's why it's been aggressively beat down.
But his job security is an unknown factor (like it is for everyone right now I suppose).

Ah now that makes sense ;) I was thinking I had some strange mortgage that wasn't going down as quickly as yours! I guess if there is risk you cannot make the higher payment then go with the cheaper payment option, but also, from what I understand and how my math worked out usually you want at a minimum 1% lower than your current rate to make the refi "worthwhile". So looks like you are right on the cusp and you would need to make sure you stick to your plan of still payment what your old payment was or else you won't come out ahead in the end. We didn't refi last year because we were on the cusp, it just wasn't worth all the hassle for a few bucks. This year though we got a rate 1.3% lower and a shorter term, so we jumped.
 
We refi'd recently and took your option #1. We always made an extra payment or two a year so we had also taken off a nice chunk in just a couple of years. Our jobs can also be iffy, so it's nice to have the low payment if we need it. Right now we've been paying the same we were before, which has added a couple of extra payments a year.
 
If I recall correctly #1 is a Streamline Refi...they just re-work your loan...
I think that with typical mortgages you pay most "interest" in the beginning....so for some re-financing when past the midway mark may not be worth it....But in your situation, its seems like you are quite good at paying that Principal down, (Good for YOU! :cheer2:) so, its seems #1 would be the right move.
Best of Luck to you and your family. I Love hearing Upbeat Positive Stories about people working hard and making the "right" decisions instead of all the sad stories of Loss of Values, Foreclosures and the slam of the economy....Its just so nice to hear Good Things, don't ya think? ;) I wish there were more people in Your shoes instead of what is typically heard everywhere around the country now...............again, good luck! It feels Really Really good really "Owning" it ;)
 
If I recall correctly #1 is a Streamline Refi...they just re-work your loan...
I think that with typical mortgages you pay most "interest" in the beginning....so for some re-financing when past the midway mark may not be worth it....But in your situation, its seems like you are quite good at paying that Principal down, (Good for YOU! :cheer2:) so, its seems #1 would be the right move.
Best of Luck to you and your family. I Love hearing Upbeat Positive Stories about people working hard and making the "right" decisions instead of all the sad stories of Loss of Values, Foreclosures and the slam of the economy....Its just so nice to hear Good Things, don't ya think? ;) I wish there were more people in Your shoes instead of what is typically heard everywhere around the country now...............again, good luck! It feels Really Really good really "Owning" it ;)

Thank you!! :goodvibes My husband works really hard! We've been very blessed to have the income of being able to beat down our mortgage PLUS still have extra fun stuff like trips and a boat (paid in cash). I do cut corners in a lot of other areas though: I'm an avid couponer and CVS'er, clothes are only bought ON SALE or at goodwill! Just overall, we don't have high-end 'tastes'... just don't mess with our vacation time!

I've been reading some 'financial message boards' lately too... and there seems to be a war between the Dave Ramsey folks who want to OWN their homes and the other side who have the mindset of: I'm always going to carry a mortgage and invest my money ELSEWHERE for more returns.

I don't give a rat's back end about investing our money to make it triple and quadruple! Would be it nice? Yes but the stock market is a RISK no matter what people tell you. Some people have made millions. More power to them. While we've got 3 little people under our roof, I want to play conservative and be assured we will never lose our home.
 
We are thinking about a re-fi also. Our mortgage is with chase but we have only been in our house 1 year. Our interest rate is 5.375. How are you getting no closing costs? I just looked at their website and it quoted like $7000 cash at closing. There was also 2 1/2 points added in there to get the lower rate. Thanks.

PS I am conservative so I would go with option 1 and plan on paying it down or maybe look into a 20 year loan.
 
We are thinking about a re-fi also. Our mortgage is with chase but we have only been in our house 1 year. Our interest rate is 5.375. How are you getting no closing costs? I just looked at their website and it quoted like $7000 cash at closing. There was also 2 1/2 points added in there to get the lower rate. Thanks.

PS I am conservative so I would go with option 1 and plan on paying it down or maybe look into a 20 year loan.

When we initially called Chase and inquired about a refi - we spoke to 2 different people. Both offered higher rates than what local banks were offering plus HIGHER closing costs. We about wrote them off until an overnighted fedex letter showed up at our door. From Chase. With a "special offer". 4.5% + NO CLOSING COSTS/FEES/APPRAISAL. Just sign with a notary in 2 weeks.

We were offered 4.25% loans with local banks but with closing costs, etc. I called Chase back and asked if they can change around the terms with their "special offer" and he said NO. Plus we have a hard deadline of Sept 22 to make a decision. Not sure what determines 'who' gets this offer... I just know it's on the table.
 
Wow!! What a great offer. I will call them tomorrow to see what they can do for me. Good luck with your re-fi!
 
2.) Refi to a 15 yr 3.75% loan thru our bank (Regions)... 1/2 payment will be auto-drafted every other Tuesday. Total monthly amount is $50 MORE than what we're currently paying. The numbers equate to making an extra mortgage payment/yr because of how the weeks fall, so the loan is really a 13.5 yr loan. WOO HOO! Out of debt even faster! But there are about $2k in closing costs with this option. :rolleyes:
Way OT:
Are you sure? Maybe the loan is scheduled to last 15.0 years even after taking into account "the extra payment/yr" owing to the 2 week payment structuring.
 
Way OT:
Are you sure? Maybe the loan is scheduled to last 15.0 years even after taking into account "the extra payment/yr" owing to the 2 week payment structuring.

This is what the Regions guy said. So I can't personally confirm it since I haven't run the numbers. I plan on calling him tomorrow and confirming this. Thanks for the thought!
 
I have been in the industry for 15 years now and currently do mortgage closings as my job. I have seen MANY of these no cost Chase loans and can tell you EMPHATICALLY.....it is 100% legit :goodvibes ....however, in my experience, it has only been offered to very good customers.

As far as the 15 becoming a 13.5, that is also correct because you are paying 1 extra payment each year. Please note OP, that you can do this on any loan at any time, it doesn't have to be done on the biweekly program.

Actually, it makes more sense for you to simply send 1/12th of your payment in each month, as it gets credited faster. If every 6th month you get that extra 1/2 payment taken out - THAT is when it gets credited, not from the first payment.

I tell people all the time - a mortgage company will gladly take your extra payment if you send it in, but they will NOT gladly let you pay less if you need to. So, if your DH's job is volatile, stick with the 30 and sock extra away when you can.

Jenny
 
I have been in the industry for 15 years now and currently do mortgage closings as my job. I have seen MANY of these no cost Chase loans and can tell you EMPHATICALLY.....it is 100% legit :goodvibes ....however, in my experience, it has only been offered to very good customers.

As far as the 15 becoming a 13.5, that is also correct because you are paying 1 extra payment each year. Please note OP, that you can do this on any loan at any time, it doesn't have to be done on the biweekly program.

Actually, it makes more sense for you to simply send 1/12th of your payment in each month, as it gets credited faster. If every 6th month you get that extra 1/2 payment taken out - THAT is when it gets credited, not from the first payment.

I tell people all the time - a mortgage company will gladly take your extra payment if you send it in, but they will NOT gladly let you pay less if you need to. So, if your DH's job is volatile, stick with the 30 and sock extra away when you can.

Jenny

Jenny - I just want to kiss you! :flower3: Thank you. When I started reading what you said about Chase - I thought - OH NO. She's gonna tell me it's a scam and run for the hills!! This really does make me feel better. I played "CSI" with the Chase guy and asked him "Are you SURE???" and "What's the catch??" like a million times! I mean really, how many times do we get offers in the mail that say, "YOU'VE BEEN CHOSEN FOR THIS SPECIAL OFFER!". :rolleyes1

And yes, I know about the extra payment thing... really, DH just throws an extra $200-$300 here and there when he can. And when a bonus check comes in... he sometimes sends in $10-15k straight to the principle. But not sure how much longer those days are gonna last. Thank you again for all your advice. Our Chase offers expires in 2 days. So I've been waiting on pins and needles for any responses to this thread. THANK YOU!!
 
I would go with the no cost option for 30 years, and then plan to pay what you're currently paying every month that it's possible (or more, of course). You just never know what will happen financially. With a lower payment, if you CAN'T make a higher payment for a while no big deal. With the higher payments you're stuck. Either way you'll get it paid off much faster than 30 years. :thumbsup2
 




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