Need Help........the church will not recognize our marriage in Disney

MICKEY69

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We will be getting married march 8, 2004 in disney and were well aware that the priests are not allowed to perform a ceremony at Disney.........We were told that all we needed to do was talk to our priest to get our marriage certificate blessed.

We contacted the church and the diocese refuses to assist in any way. They said we have to go through precaina and get married in a church.

Did anyone have this problem? :(
 
DW and I were going to get married in the church and after all of the "hassle" (sorry - I'm not Catholic) of getting my previous marriage annulled and everything else, we went with our first instinct all along - we got married at WDW! My understanding from what we went through was that the Catholic church will not recognize a wedding performed outside of the church (physical building) and without a priest. I'm sure someone else with more familiarity with the Catholic faith can give you a more solid answer....sorry....
 
I am sorry you are going thru this - I have heard that this is a problem not just at disney but many want to get married at their reception hall.

A friend of mine had a similar problem. She compromised by getting married a two days earlier in a small church cermony in her own church and then had her "official" ceremony where she originally wanted. Her guests never knew - but she got the best of both worlds.

Maybe you could something similar?
 
Originally posted by lillykat
I am sorry you are going thru this - I have heard that this is a problem not just at disney but many want to get married at their reception hall.

A friend of mine had a similar problem. She compromised by getting married a two days earlier in a small church cermony in her own church and then had her "official" ceremony where she originally wanted. Her guests never knew - but she got the best of both worlds.

Maybe you could something similar?


I disagree completely with having a secret wedding before the wedding that the guests know about. If anyone should find out, they'd feel terrible that they weren't good enough to be invited to the first wedding.

I think the OP ought to go ahead with the WDW wedding, and then have a vow renewal/marriage blessing in the church. Or... have the actual wedding in the church, inviting everyone, and have a vow renewal at WDW. There is no reason to deceive anyone.
 

Anyone who wants to get married in any catholic church must, by church law, go through Pre-canna and have the ceremony take place on sacred ground (within the walls of a recognized Catholic church), no matter what diocese or state you are in.

I agree with the suggestion that you should consider going through the required counseling and ask your priest to perform an informal, private ceremony in which you can exchange your vows and become married within the church and then enjoy your "wedding" at Disney. I also don't believe it would be decieving anyone by not having everyone at the church ceremony if you schoose not to.

One of my co-workers is devoutly Christian and he and his wife got married by a judge here in CA, so he could start his wifes medical benefits and such, but they did not live as "man and wife", so to speak until after their religious ceremony in his hometown in NY. I thought it was incredibly romantic and respected his desire to stick to his beliefs.

I don't think anyone who is important to you would feel cheated to not have been at the church, as long as they got to enjoy sharing an opportunity to celebrate your union.

Best wishes in whatever choice you make, I don't think you could go wrong either way! :)

Just two cents from a slightly lapsed Catholic. :)
 
I am sorry if I gave the impression I that I meant she Decieved anyone!!!!!!!! she would be VERY upset to think her guests thought that - NO her family and people KNEW about the small wedding only the parents attended - but it was just meant JUST to get a church blessing - the main wedding was for the guests - actually it is not unusual to do that. I have met a number of people who have done this - but in all honesty I don't think it matters whether you do it first or second - as long as you do it and it makes everyone happy! I don't think you should keep it a secret - and I never used those words - what I said was a very SMALL affair where she basically gets a blessing -

Sorry if there was any confusion - I did not mean there to be:wave:
 
MY FH and I were both raised catholic and had the same problem when we started looking into having the wedding in Disney. Our solution is this: We are having a full blown wedding at Disney on June 25, 2004. On July 25, 2004 we will be going to the church we grew up going to and having a convalidation ceremony that will be attended by only our parets, siblings, and my great aunt (she's a nun). Its basically the same as the regular marriage ceremony, and will make our marriage 'legal' in the church. From what we found, the church will not bless the marriage unless you have this ceremony. My FH and I are neither particuarly catholic, but both our mothers are, and this was the only way to make them happy ;) Let me know if you would like more info. I would be happy to share, I have been there! :D
 
As far as I'm concerned, only one being can bless off on a marriage, and it's NOT the church.
DH and I were married in a courthouse 12 years ago and our marriage has been truly blessed ever since. I didn't need a church to bless my marriage for me, the Father already did so. :D

Best wishes to all of you no matter where you choose to marry. :p
 
THANK YOU ALL............

I did contact the diocese and the woman I spoke with did mention the convalidation upon return so any information would be appreciated. Do you have to go through precana? anything else I need to know.

We are not devout catholics but both his mother and my father passed the comment "your not being married by a priest?" Therefore I kinda feel the need to do both and appreciate all the feedback.

98 Days to go................and counting


::MinnieMo ::MickeyMo
 
Originally posted by MICKEY69
We are not devout catholics but both his mother and my father passed the comment "your not being married by a priest?" Therefore I kinda feel the need to do both and appreciate all the feedback.


I completely understand. I was raised Catholic, and although my husband isn't Catholic (or part of any religion) and I'm no longer practicing, my grandmother and mother, and my husband's great aunt are all very devout. For their sakes, I was able to get a priest to marry us outside of the Church (our wedding was in a historical mansion).

The priest did a lovely job, and after the ceremony, I asked my mom, "So was it Catholic enough for you?" And she replied, "No, dear, but neither are you." :rolleyes: Remember that you can't please everyone, try as you may. Be sure to have the wedding that YOU and YOUR FIANCE want, too.
 
Since this thread is already up and running...does anyone know about the Eastern Orthodox church? Just curious! We haven't looked into it yet since our date isnt for two yrs but I'd really like our marriage blessed by the Greek Orthodox church should I chose to marry in WDW. Has anyone had any experience with this?
 
Yes, we are still have to go through Pre-cana. We were also told that the convalidation ceremony HAS to be kept small, and should lack all of the fan faire normally associated with a wedding. (ex, I am not allowed to wear my wedding dress again to the convalidation, and only an intimate group of people should be invited). While this getting married twice thing was not the first choice for either FI or I, we also recognized that without my mothers support the Disney wedding wouldnt happen at all, its the compromise we made.
 
Just some additional (and conflicting) information:

We are having the marriage rite this Saturday in the Catholic church. We were married in a civil ceremony almost 7 years ago (actually, 7 years on Saturday) and have put it off for far too long. (Mainly because of financial reasons - we were married young, had children young, and DH was in college/law school and we were BROOOOOOKE) ;) Catholic weddings are expensive in some parishes - our parish at the time wanted $500 and a stipend for the priest on top of it - as well as the cost of the musician ($100 per person, typically, is what is mandated by the diocese).

We are finally able to do it "right" and are having a nuptial mass and marriage rite. Our pastor explained that he always enforces a full mass for the sacrament of matrimony - because it is a sacrament. We were also told to invite whomever we wanted and we are sort of going half-way on other things...I printed the invitations (which were sort of formal), my dress is white matte jersey with pearl trim - dressy, but not a frou frou gown, yk? The girls (our daughters) are the attendants and flower girls - and we will all walk in together as a family instead of me processing down. We will carry hand-tied bouquets of roses and eucalyptus (which has special meaning for us with the girls). We will have our original two witnesses that signed the civil ceremony document as our matron of honor and best man again.

Let's see - what else? We are having a musician, since hymns are such an intregal part of the Catholic Mass...he is playing the organ and singing. :) There will be around 50 guests (30 adults and almost 20 kids) and Father thougth that was an excellent number. Basically, he recommended we invite those we see on a regular basis, and leave out the "once a year" relatives and friends. We thought that was great advice.

The marriage rite is just before communion, and we are doing the whole exchange of vows and unity candle deal, because our priest advocated it. However, I have an aunt who had a previous marriage anulled and was remarried in the church and her priest was not nearly as supportive as ours is. Maybe just because she had been married before and DH and I have not...you know?

After the mass we are having a luncheon/banquet to follow. Not a full-blown reception, mostly just food and cake and sparkling cider :) It is also St. Nick's Day so we have incorporated some of those traditions into the luncheon for all the kiddos who will be there. We leave from the luncheon for our "familymoon" and will be celebrating our newly-blessed marriage at Disneyworld! :)

For us, being Catholics, we know that the church does not recognize our civil union. Therefore, even though we are 'legally' married, this is truly a celebratory event and far more important and special to us, spiritually. It is not the priest who blesses the union, ultimately - it is God through the priest.

I wouldn't do the ceremony back home before your wedding, personally - but maybe you can look into having a ceremony in a nearby parish in the Orlando Diocese? I know they have a website - if you google Orlando Diocese you will find it. Just call some parishes and see if any of them would be willing to do a small convalidation on the day of your wedding. They might not - but it's worth a shot if it means that much to you (or the family). Plus, then you'll only have one anniversary. Otherwise, you can always do it when you get back from the big wedding...but I'd do the guest-attended one first. And, be sure to at least invite the parents to the convalidation! :)

Oh - and we didn't have to go through pre-cana - because we've been married 7 years and our Priest said he really didn't see why we needed to discuss raising children when our kids are already with us every Sunday at mass :)
 
This thread, in my opinion shows exactly why people are leaving the catholic church. I'd tell my priest if he did'nt recognize my marriage, he would'nt recognize my offerings because there would'nt be any more. Bet that would change his mind.
 
DH and I are both Catholic. We were married at WDW on 12/6/96, after learning the bishop of Orlando has decided not to grant dispensation to Catholics getting married at WDW for their ceremony to be recognized by the church. We spoke with Father long before our wedding, and did the classes "Evenings for the Engaged" and found them very valuable to our marriage, even having lived together for 2 1/2 years prior to marriage.

We decided not to hide any facets of our plans, and found our church very supportive. In fact, one of the Deacons meantioned there is a very large church just off site (in case anyone is interested) the Mary, Queen of the Universe Shrine. We were still supported in our decision to get married in the Wedding Pavillion.

Once we returned home from the honeymoon we had arranged to have a second ceremony, attended by my parents as best man and matron of honor. I wore a white lace dress, not a wedding gown.

I consider myself lucky to have had two wonderful, beautiful weddings to the same wonderful, blessed husband.
 
Originally posted by tazdeb
This thread, in my opinion shows exactly why people are leaving the catholic church. I'd tell my priest if he did'nt recognize my marriage, he would'nt recognize my offerings because there would'nt be any more. Bet that would change his mind.

I'm sorry - this post just kind of rubs me the wrong way - as do others in this thread. I guess it bothers me that people would claim to be a part of the Catholic faith without honoring the fact that the sacrament of matrimony has to be administered by a Priest within the sanctity of the altar. There is nothing new here - this is the doctrine. And, it isn't the Priest who "doesn't recognize the marriage" - it's the entire Catholic church. He has no say in it - it is the sacrament of matrimony.

It would be no different than a baptism taking place in a public swimming pool....or first communion at a restaurant. It's just not how the Catholic church does things.

It's rather sad that people correlate faith with monetary offerings. To even suggest an ultimatim toward one leader of a single parish regarding the recognition of a sacrament is unreasonable.

Clearly there are people here who have problems with the Catholic faith. If this is the case, then perhaps they should find another place of worship or denomination. The original poster asked for help because she *is* Catholic. I don't recall her asking for opinions on why the church is lacking in some way.
 
I do know that a few women on the DisneyMooner list called the local churches in Orlando and was told that they no longer perform ceremonies for anyone who is not a member of thier congregation.

Possibly this may change, but thia was fairly recently (within the last 3 months).
 
Originally posted by MICKEY69
We will be getting married march 8, 2004 in disney and were well aware that the priests are not allowed to perform a ceremony at Disney.........We were told that all we needed to do was talk to our priest to get our marriage certificate blessed.

We contacted the church and the diocese refuses to assist in any way. They said we have to go through precaina and get married in a church.

Did anyone have this problem? :(

To me, you do not need any church's blessing to be married. Just forget about the church and have a great time at your Disney Wedding.
 
Originally posted by Familymoon
I'm sorry - this post just kind of rubs me the wrong way - as do others in this thread. I guess it bothers me that people would claim to be a part of the Catholic faith without honoring the fact that the sacrament of matrimony has to be administered by a Priest within the sanctity of the altar. There is nothing new here - this is the doctrine. And, it isn't the Priest who "doesn't recognize the marriage" - it's the entire Catholic church. He has no say in it - it is the sacrament of matrimony.

It would be no different than a baptism taking place in a public swimming pool....or first communion at a restaurant. It's just not how the Catholic church does things.

It's rather sad that people correlate faith with monetary offerings. To even suggest an ultimatim toward one leader of a single parish regarding the recognition of a sacrament is unreasonable.

Clearly there are people here who have problems with the Catholic faith. If this is the case, then perhaps they should find another place of worship or denomination. The original poster asked for help because she *is* Catholic. I don't recall her asking for opinions on why the church is lacking in some way.

I agree with you 100 percent.
 
Your reply reinforces my point. It is exactly these archaic rules which turns off many younger people. The original poster "is" catholic, has lived her whole life obeying church doctorine, and I'm sure is not going to quit being a good catholic after she is married. Now she wants to have her dream marriage at WDW. Will the church recognize it? No. Why? Because it is not taking place on sacred ground? I think most people think the face of god can look down on them at anytime and do not think the only place this communication happens is in the church. By not recognizing it, the church is subtely telling you that your faith is not strong enough without its help. I think this is causing many young people to question not their faith, but where that faith is expressed. Letting the church know people and their offerings may leave if some of these archaic rules aren't relaxed, are in my opinion the only option. Next time your there Sunday morning look around. Young people have already left........TAZ
 












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