"Naked" X-Ray Scans At The Airport.. Your Thoughts?

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personally, I think it is long overdue! I know some airports have them, but on GMA they are talking about putting more in place. Then there is the privacy issues. Again, I rather feel safer flying then caring about what is on a scanner!

your thoughts?

If it makes it SAFER for U.S. citizens, Whatever we have to do, we should do! :thumbsup2
I think EVERY man, woman and child should be fully scanned before stepping on our soil (from international flights)
Faces are blurred, the person reviewing is not seeing the person (they are in a booth) and though I do not "Like" the idea , I think it is a necessary evil and warranted. :thumbsup2
Don't mean to be strange BUT....since I am one of those people that has "things" inside me from surgeries I wonder how that will go over, UGH!!! Hopefully they are "trained" (is that an oxymoron, :rotfl2:)to recognize medical items.....etc....:confused3:confused3
Edit: Boy, the post reads strange ...but so many people have posts/nails and screws and medi ports, body part replacements, piercings and the like, enhancements , etc .......... which is what I was referring too.....
 
If it makes it SAFER for U.S. citizens, Whatever we have to do, we should do! :thumbsup2
I think EVERY man, woman and child should be fully scanned before stepping on our soil (from international flights)
Faces are blurred, the person reviewing is not seeing the person (they are in a booth) and though I do not "Like" the idea , I think it is a necessary evil and warranted. :thumbsup2
Don't mean to be strange BUT....since I am one of those people that has "things" inside me from surgeries I wonder how that will go over, UGH!!! Hopefully they are "trained" (is that an oxymoron, :rotfl2:)to recognize medical items.....etc....:confused3:confused3
Edit: Boy, the post reads strange ...but so many people have posts/nails and screws and medi ports, body part replacements, piercings and the like, enhancements , etc .......... which is what I was referring too.....

I think actually it would be a lot easier to tell - "oh hey, that guy's got a metal hip" - on a scanner versus the metal detectors, where you can't see what is setting the detector off.

I flew in December from Cedar Rapids, Iowa to St. Pete, Florida - two very small airports, and I couldn't BELIEVE how rude people were being to the TSA people working the metal detectors. On the way from FL to IA, there was an older gentleman behind me with his daughter going through the metal detectors. I was at one of the tables putting my shoes back on, getting my bag & sweatshirt together and waiting for my fiance to finish getting his bag inspected. Anyway, I noticed that the older man was getting pulled aside to get scanned by the hand-held wand, and his daughter was just yelling at the poor TSA woman about how her father had metal in all his joints and why do they have to go crazy screening him every time they fly, blah blah blah.. and it's just like, really? How are the TSA people supposed to know that he's got metal joints - and why would they just take your word for it? :confused: Security had to finally come and take this lady to the terminal to get her away from the screening area.
 
Don't mean to be strange BUT....since I am one of those people that has "things" inside me from surgeries I wonder how that will go over, UGH!!! Hopefully they are "trained" (is that an oxymoron, :rotfl2:)to recognize medical items.....etc....:confused3:confused3
They can't scan INSIDE your body, which would make these kind of scans useless if someone chooses to *ahem* insert explosives into a body cavity. Here is a video of what they can see http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=972_1262283908 ... and it's quite a bit! They show a man with a bar of soap in his pocket.
 

They can't scan INSIDE your body, which would make these kind of scans useless if someone chooses to *ahem* insert explosives into a body cavity. Here is a video of what they can see http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=972_1262283908 ... and it's quite a bit! They show a man with a bar of soap in his pocket.

wow, that was scary. And they said you couldn't see anything private. Well you could see the exact size and shape of this guys private parts.

You couldn't show this on TV it would be deemed as nudity, but yet people seem to say that there is no problem with it. I sure won't allow my kids to go through this type of machine under any circumstance. Guess I had better just gas up the car.
 
wow, that was scary. And they said you couldn't see anything private. Well you could see the exact size and shape of this guys private parts.

You couldn't show this on TV it would be deemed as nudity, but yet people seem to say that there is no problem with it. I sure won't allow my kids to go through this type of machine under any circumstance. Guess I had better just gas up the car.


Well, I am pretty certain all of us already knew what the shape was. :rotfl2: You must have better vision than I do because I was not able to determine his size. :scared1: I would not have any problem going through this scan or allowing my tween son and teen daughter to go through it. I also don't believe a TV show would be banned from showing a similar scan.
 
They can't scan INSIDE your body, which would make these kind of scans useless if someone chooses to *ahem* insert explosives into a body cavity. Here is a video of what they can see http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=972_1262283908 ... and it's quite a bit! They show a man with a bar of soap in his pocket.

At least it will take the mystery out of the bar of soap vs/ happy to see them conundrum. :lmao:

See, give me lemons and I give back lemonade.
 
What if my religion require modesty, would I still have to go through or would that be discrimination?
 
What if my religion require modesty, would I still have to go through or would that be discrimination?
As of right now, you can choose to be patted down by a TSA agent of your same gender. BUT I was not verbally told of that option in Tampa. I was just hustled into the scanner with no explanation whatsoever.
 
Well, I am pretty certain all of us already knew what the shape was. :rotfl2: You must have better vision than I do because I was not able to determine his size. :scared1: I would not have any problem going through this scan or allowing my tween son and teen daughter to go through it. I also don't believe a TV show would be banned from showing a similar scan.

Did you watch the whole thing? I did and believe me you can see the size and almost every detail. I guarantee that any network, not cable would get into trouble showing this detailed of an image.

If you want strangers looking at your kids naked then fine, but not me. And I don't care that they don't see you or your face it won't happen in this family.
 
What if my religion require modesty, would I still have to go through or would that be discrimination?

As of right now, if you choose not to go through the scanner, you're subject to other forms of screening which includes a pat-down.

Or you could drive.
 
Well you could see the exact size and shape of this guys private parts.

Have you ever been to a High School or Club swim meet?

It is the only sport where your uniform has to be at least 3 sizes too small and is made of a tight, stretchy material. About the same outline as one of the scanners. It is an outline, not a full color picture.

I don't know how safe the scanners really make us, but since it is optional and traveling by plane is also optional, I can't see where there is any infringement on one's rights. As long as there are options available to you, no rights are being trampled on.

If you don't want to be scanned, you have options. Ask for a pat down or travel via Amtrak, Greyhound or your personal car.
 
Have you ever been to a High School or Club swim meet?

It is the only sport where your uniform has to be at least 3 sizes too small.

Add that to the very tight material and you learn where your eyes can be when the guys are on the blocks.

It is an outline. Nothing more.

I don't know how safe the scanners really make us, but since it is optional and traveling by plane is also optional, I can't see where there is any infringement on one's rights. As long as there are options available to you, no rights are being trampled on.

If you don't want to be scanned, you have options. Ask for a pat down or travel via Amtrak, Greyhound or your personal car.

Yes I have been, was on a swim team for several years and what I saw was way more than in those bathing suits. Sorry but I will stand by my opinion, way too much info about body parts out there for my comfort.


And as I stated I will travel by car, which is what the rest of my family would rather do anyway.
 
Did you watch the whole thing? I did and believe me you can see the size and almost every detail. I guarantee that any network, not cable would get into trouble showing this detailed of an image.

If you want strangers looking at your kids naked then fine, but not me. And I don't care that they don't see you or your face it won't happen in this family.

Yep, saw the whole thing and didn't come anywhere close to seeing what you saw apparently.

I am not, under any circumstances, comfortable with "strangers looking at my kids naked." Nobody in their right mind would be comfortable with that. Those scans don't even come close to screaming naked to me. To each their own. Thankfully, there are other options available.
 
I have no problem with it. if it prevents some loon on a mission from blowing up the plane then I am all for it.

now if for some reason i hear bow chic a wow wow or some stripper music, then i may have a problem-sorry i am in a humorous mood tonight
 
Yes I have been, was on a swim team for several years and what I saw was way more than in those bathing suits. Sorry but I will stand by my opinion, way too much info about body parts out there for my comfort.


And as I stated I will travel by car, which is what the rest of my family would rather do anyway.

It is about the same as the new tech suits, which were recently banned (not due to the silhouette). When Michael Phelps was photographed modeling the new lzr, Speedo had to pull the ad.

Car travel is a great option. I have many fond memories of long road trips with my parents. And an option you are free to exercise.
 
Have you ever been to a High School or Club swim meet?

It is the only sport where your uniform has to be at least 3 sizes too small and is made of a tight, stretchy material. About the same outline as one of the scanners. It is an outline, not a full color picture.

Add that to the very tight material and you learn where your eyes can be when the guys are on the blocks.
Shame on you for knowing where to look when the boys are on the blocks!

My DD has been a competitive swimmer for 6 years. I make sure I don't ogle the boys no matter how small or tight their suits are! I much prefer to watch "The Big Dogs" (as I call them) slice through the water with ease than to stand on the starting blocks. Sheesh.

Your comparison is also apples to oranges. Even if the boys show just as much people learn to divert their eyes. The TSA agents are specifically looking at people's genitals now thanks to Mr. Abdulmutallab .
 
It is about the same as the new tech suits, which were recently banned (not due to the silhouette). When Michael Phelps was photographed modeling the new lzr, Speedo had to pull the ad.

Car travel is a great option. I have many fond memories of long road trips with my parents. And an option you are free to exercise.

well will have to agree to disagree on what we can see or can't see and leave it at that.

Yes car travel is great, just drug up the kids so you don't have to listen to are we there yet and go. lol
 
Shame on you for knowing where to look when the boys are on the blocks!

My DD has been a competitive swimmer for 6 years. I make sure I don't ogle the boys no matter how small or tight their suits are! I much prefer to watch "The Big Dogs" (as I call them) slice through the water with ease than to stand on the starting blocks. Sheesh.

Your comparison is also apples to oranges. Even if the boys show just as much people learn to divert their eyes. The TSA agents are specifically looking at people's genitals now thanks to Mr. Abdulmutallab .

Ummm, I meant that you keep your eyes up before the guys take their marks. Mind out of the gutter, Sheesh :goodvibes. But parents and swimmers are very comfortable with a similar silhouette and having their kids run around like that in public. It is way more public than the anonymous scan with no identifying marks or features of the body scanners.

And no, it is not apples to oranges. What I was trying to point out is that we reveal way more to the public in many areas of life to many different people and don't think a thing of it. X-rays, MMRs, Swim Suits, etc. Just because this is airport security, people seem to think the same level silhouette the scanner takes is somehow way more horrifying.

And a beautiful fly slicing through the water is breath taking.

As for thanks to Mr. Nigerian Banker's Son, not quite. The scanners have been in use for over 3 years.

This was on my news feed just a bit ago...

FAQ: Airport Body Scanners
Liz Behler, with additional reporting by Libby Zay

Full body scanners. Which airports have them, who will be required to use them, and what do you need to know before you step inside? We spoke with Jon Allen, a TSA spokesman, to decode the mystery behind the machine.



Photos Courtesy of the TSA

Which airports have the full body scanners?

"There are 19 airports where millimeter wave machines have been deployed. The TSA's website includes a map of the locations."

Which airports are planning to get the devices?

While the exact times and locations where the scanners will be received have not been disclosed at the current time, the U.S. government is working to equip airports around the country with the machines.

"In the fall of 2009, TSA purchased 150 backscatter imaging technology units. A deployment schedule for these units has not been finalized. Funding exists to purchase an additional 300 advanced imaging technology units in 2010."

Will everybody be scanned, or only certain individuals?


"This screening option is completely voluntary to all passengers."

So can you decline a full-body scan?

Yes, for now, but you must submit to a full body pat-down.

Do they save the scanned images?

"There is no storage capability. No cameras, cellular telephones, or any device capable of capturing an image is permitted in the remotely-located resolution room. Use of such a device is a terminable offense."

Are they harmful for any individuals?

Two types of scanners currently exist: the millimeter wave scanner and the backscatter scanner.

"Millimeter wave technology bounces harmless electromagnetic waves off the human body to create a black and white image. The energy emitted by millimeter wave technology is 10,000 times less than what is permitted for a cell phone. "

"Backscatter technology projects an ionizing X-ray beam over the body surface at high speed. The reflection, or backscatter, of the beam is detected, digitized and displayed on a monitor. Each scan produces less than 10 microrem of emission, equivalent to the exposure each person receives in about two minutes on an airplane flight at altitude."

Who sees the images?


"Passenger privacy is ensured through the anonymity of the image. The transportation security officer attending the passenger cannot view the image, and the remotely-located officer who views the image cannot physically see the passenger. Images are not stored, transmitted or printed and are deleted immediately once viewed by the remotely-located officer."

Just how much is revealed in the full body scan?


"A privacy algorithm blurs facial features."

How long do the scans take?


"Screening takes approximately 15 seconds, while the scanning time is just a few seconds. The remotely located security officer who interprets the image takes approximately 12 seconds to do so. It takes a passenger with a joint replacement about 15 seconds to go through advanced imaging technology, versus a 2-4 minute pat down."

Will this solve the airport security problem?


"Advanced imaging technology safely screens passengers for metallic and nonmetallic threats including weapons, explosives and other objects concealed under layers of clothing without physical contact. Threats to aviation continue to evolve. The use of new and innovative technologies helps us stay ahead of those intent on harming our nation.:goodvibes
 
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