"Naked" X-Ray Scans At The Airport.. Your Thoughts?

[LisaR]

I'd feel a lot safer defending myself with my .38 than a rolled up Skymall magazine.

Really?? In a plane full of people and one mad terrorist, you feel like your gun is going to make a difference? You must have tremendous aim if you feel like you will be able to take out the bad guy in close quarters with 220 other people nearby; some of whom will be hysterical at that moment and may impede you and your gun. While there are certainly trained people out there that could hit their target in that situation, the average American carrying a concealed weapon doesn't stand a chance. I'll take my chances with the Skymall magazine instead of relying on Bubba that just had a few drinks before he boarded the plane.

 

[shrubber]

Really?? In a plane full of people and one mad terrorist, you feel like your gun is going to make a difference? You must have tremendous aim if you feel like you will be able to take out the bad guy in close quarters with 220 other people nearby; some of whom will be hysterical at that moment and may impede you and your gun. While there are certainly trained people out there that could hit their target in that situation, the average American carrying a concealed weapon doesn't stand a chance. I'll take my chances with the Skymall magazine instead of relying on Bubba that just had a few drinks before he boarded the plane.

Yes, an armed citizen can and does make a difference. The average unarmed citizen doesn't stand a chance;.
Do you think any of the families of flight 93 wish someone on board had the means of defending themselves?
And the drunken Bubba comment is a little over the top, don't you think?

 

[jlewisinsyr]

Yes, an armed citizen can and does make a difference. The average unarmed citizen doesn't stand a chance;.
Do you think any of the families of flight 93 wish someone on board had the means of defending themselves?
And the drunken Bubba comment is a little over the top, don't you think?

I don't even know where to comment. I think in the most recent incident, the UNARMED man was the one who stopped the event. In a confined space, no weapon is probably more effective. I'm not a big gun advocate, but there are times and places they are effective, a confined space on an airplane, traveling at 30,000 feet, is not one of them.

In regards to the flights on 9/11, additional weapons probably wouldn't have stopped the events, at least not all of them.

 

[shrubber]

I don't even know where to comment. I think in the most recent incident, the UNARMED man was the one who stopped the event. In a confined space, no weapon is probably more effective. I'm not a big gun advocate, but there are times and places they are effective, a confined space on an airplane, traveling at 30,000 feet, is not one of them.

Air marshalls are armed and pilots have been pleading to carry weapons onboard.

 

[shrubber]

In regards to the flights on 9/11, additional weapons probably wouldn't have stopped the events, at least not all of them.

On all three of the 9/11 hijackings, passangers knew that the palne had been hijacked, and at least two of the fights, the passengers had made plans to thwart the attempts.
Ya think a gun might have come in handy?

 

[wendy46001]

On all three of the 9/11 hijackings, passangers knew that the palne had been hijacked, and at least two of the fights, the passengers had made plans to thwart the attempts.
Ya think a gun might have come in handy?

No, because up until 911 hijackers made demands and landed planes, most did not fly them into building...passengers didn’t thwart the attempt until they learned of the plan

I'd rather not let the avg. Joe (aka bubba or anyone else) who isnt trained attempt to shoot on a plane...what if they hit a window?? or the wings with fuel?

Plus anyone can get a gun Lic. arming everyone is never the solution

 

[jlewisinsyr]

Air marshalls are armed and pilots have been pleading to carry weapons onboard.

That doesn't matter, your point was UNARMED men don't stop things, and in this case, they did! Law of numbers comes into play, you don't need weapons.

On all three of the 9/11 hijackings, passangers knew that the palne had been hijacked, and at least two of the fights, the passengers had made plans to thwart the attempts.
Ya think a gun might have come in handy?

No, I don't...when passengers attempted to take one of the planes, they downed it...guns wouldn't have changed that.

 

[npmommie]

I have not read thru the entire thread so I don't know if this has been mentioned, but the only concern I have with this is radiation exposure, I have read all about it and know what backscatter does, and I know what they say is the exposure,
they initially said it was a bit higher than what they are saying now.
So I worry that they may say oops we were wrong again, you are being exposed to more than we thought, and what does this mean for the person that flies constantly, for their job for instance?

this machine will expose major organs to radiation, whether they say its negligible or not it is still radiation from one source, we get it from many sources so its just one more to add on to our burden of exposure imo.

plus kids have a smaller body mass so it will add up quicker for them

that is my concern, not someone seeing my nekkid body LOL

 

[shrubber]

No, because up until 911 hijackers made demands and landed planes, most did not fly them into building...passengers didn’t thwart the attempt until they learned of the plan

I'd rather not let the avg. Joe (aka bubba or anyone else) who isnt trained attempt to shoot on a plane...what if they hit a window?? or the wings with fuel?

Plus anyone can get a gun Lic. arming everyone is never the solution

CCW permit holders are trained and not anyone can get a permit.
Not being armed is obviously not a solution either.
Again , I bet the families of the folks on the 9/11 flights had wish they'd been armed.

 

[kaytieeldr]

My post was a bit tongue in cheek, however, the premise is the sound.
Allow people to defend themselves.

Tongue-in-cheek or not, next time you might want to check your actual calculations with Wall-E1 before you post

 

[shrubber]

That doesn't matter, your point was UNARMED men don't stop things, and in this case, they did! Law of numbers comes into play, you don't need weapons.



No, I don't...when passengers attempted to take one of the planes, they downed it...guns wouldn't have changed that.

Those two points are conflicting arent they?
You can't have it both ways, either unarmed people are sufficient or they are'nt

 

[sbell111]

Yes, an armed citizen can and does make a difference. The average unarmed citizen doesn't stand a chance;.
Do you think any of the families of flight 93 wish someone on board had the means of defending themselves?
And the drunken Bubba comment is a little over the top, don't you think?

You are completely ignoring the fact that, in your scenario, the four hijackers would also likely be armed with handguns. In this scenario, you would no doubt have a pretty massive firefight onboard a jet in the air. Regardless of the conclusion, the terrorists would have done their jobs. The public would be terrorized.

 

[kaytieeldr]

A CWP/CCP does NOT make one a terrorist. The terrorist already has intent to harm, hence s/he is aptly named a terrorist.



"... arms ... discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them."

- Thomas Paine


"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

Both statements made many, many, many, many years before air travel and current technology, therefore not [particularly] applicable.

In addition, do you know what a stray bullet shot into the wall or window of an airborne plane might do? Let's leave the weaponry to those officially mandated to carry guns onboard aircraft, okay?

 

[jlewisinsyr]

Those two points are conflicting arent they?
You can't have it both ways, either unarmed people are sufficient or they are'nt

I don't see how what I said conflicts each other.

Unarmed people stopped this recent event, not guns. I didn't contradict myself.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I'd feel a lot safer defending myself with my .38 than a rolled up Skymall magazine.

Well, I wouldn't feel safer with you using your .38, rather than brute force. I have NO idea of your training, skills, ability, aim, intent...

 

[kaytieeldr]

Yes, an armed citizen can and does make a difference. The average unarmed citizen doesn't stand a chance;.

Really? What arms did the Christmas idiot terrorist's seatmate have?

 

[shrubber]

I'd rather not let the avg. Joe (aka bubba or anyone else) who isnt trained attempt to shoot on a plane...what if they hit a window?? or the wings with fuel?

Frangible ammo will not penetrate a window or the fusealge of an airliner

 

[jlewisinsyr]

Frangible ammo will not penetrate a window or the fusealge of an airliner

But it could injure or intimidate passengers, correct?

 

[sbell111]

Air marshalls are armed and pilots have been pleading to carry weapons onboard.

Air marshalls are properly trained and pilots have actually been able to be certified to carry firearms in the cockpit since 2002.

It's actually interesting that you brought up pilots. In 2008, a US Air pilot accidently shot a hole in his plane. If pilots with Federal Flight Deck Officer training are accidentally discharging their weapons, do we really need regular passengers to be armed?

 

[shrubber]

Really? What arms did the Christmas idiot terrorist's seatmate have?

Thankfully in the pantybomber case he was subdued and noone was hurt.
Sadly in the case of flight 175 and 93, the unarmed passangers died themselves along with over 3000 others, remember?