MyMagic+ Delay - Article

[pigletto]

I posted before I saw your post. I couldn't agree more. I've been imagining that family arriving for their maybe regular Disney Christmas visit and stumbling into this mess without having a clue. I know that I would be livid.

Yep. I don't even want to be in the same parks as those people if they don't fix this imbalance and fix it quickly. It's not that I don't empathize.. I truly do. I just can't imagine the atmosphere of huge crowds and no fastpass for anyone but resort guests, and only those who knew enough about it to plan in advance.

 

[ArwenMarie]

But it doesn't that's what I'm saying a person with a DAS doesn't really need a FP+ but make them anyway because they are asked to but it is just to hard to stick with the time schedule so hit the first one but after that just get return times and leave the booked times unused which are counted as already taken so a true reading of numbers will never be seen and not only people with DAS just people missing times in general for whatever reason. Like I said this is just what I gleamed from my time spent there recently and listening to chatter on buses etc.

I agree that the DAS is still unpredictable, but I think the idea of the DAS was to cut down on the number of users (abusers?) throwing all of that unpredictability into the system. Therefore reducing the overall unpredictability.

 

[Mad Hattered]

I'll give you my opinion after we check out DCA for ourselves in 16 days!

DCA blows DHS out of the water....not even close.

 

[Momtomouselover]

I posted before I saw your post. I couldn't agree more. I've been imagining that family arriving for their maybe regular Disney Christmas visit and stumbling into this mess without having a clue. I know that I would be livid.

I don't know. I don't understand the complexities of the system and just how many glitches with the MB's are they having? If they are not ready to go full MB then I could see them marching forward with the original plans for roll out. It just seems that large operations/corporations don't change suddenly and react quickly. I think that except for maybe the tiering that was probably programmed in as an option and perhaps the CMs trying to discourage MB wearers from pulling FP's we may not see a quick roll out. That is, unless that was the original plan.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

As countless posts have shown, many AP holders haven't stayed onsite and have no intention of doing so. That's them talking not me.

Right, but those people don't belong in their own category as AP holders. They are off-site guests.

 

[Planogirl]

Right, but those people don't belong in their own category as AP holders. They are off-site guests.

They often feel that they are different and should be treated differently than the other offsite guests. Again that is coming from some of them so there's no point in arguing with me. In fact, I won't argue about this.

 

[Disfanx4]

I agree that the DAS is still unpredictable, but I think the idea of the DAS was to cut down on the number of users (abusers?) throwing all of that unpredictability into the system. Therefore reducing the overall unpredictability.

Unfortunately the abuse still is there we encountered more then one family get a DAS to use as an unlimited fastpass, which is only going to get worse as time goes on

 

[clsteve]

With all of that in mind, I'm sort of surprised they went ahead and yanked the KTTW cards for POP guests. Once they started pulling cards, I sort of expected them to quickly move to the other resorts so some people didn't feel like they had gotten the short end of the stick. I just don't see their current position as being one they would want to offer in a sort of holding pattern for any length of time. Likewise, I can't see them wanting to yank KTTW cards for the rest of the onsite guests only to hold at that spot for a while, since offsite guests could conceivable be getting more FPs during the busiest season of the year.

Good points- we should just give it a few more days to a week, or so. Hub validated other resorts are going follow "very soon" and it would seem to make sense to get resort guests up and off of double dipping so they can level the playing field for off-site for the holidays - FP+ for onsite, FP- offsite.

Plus, it gives them a good usage pattern and data collection timeframe, having the guests separated into 2 distinct categories (allowing for some anomalies like AP onsite or onsite with old KTTW's).

If they don't start moving other resorts to FP+ only, at least starting the week after Thanksgiving, it would be very surprising.

 

[ArwenMarie]

Unfortunately the abuse still is there we encountered more then one family get a DAS to use as an unlimited fastpass, which is only going to get worse as time goes on

I agree. I think that's just what Disney was trying to do (reduce the unpredictability). Might not work though.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Right, but those people don't belong in their own category as AP holders. They are off-site guests.

"AP Holders" as any category do not have access to FP+ yet, because it's not linked to just having park admission. Onsite guests, regardless of the ticket they hold, are the only category of guests with FP+ access.

(Yes, I understand that AP holders who stay onsite have access beyond their resort stay, but the point is that the resort stay is a requirement to get that access and their access isn't b/c they are AP holders but b/c they were onsite guests.)

 

[ajenks22]

This has felt imbalanced from the beginning. First you had different resorts starting at different times and if you overlook that, you still have AP holders and offsite visitors at an extreme disadvantage. I hate to think of offsite visitors arriving Christmas week and many not having a clue about all of this.

That would be me. We are staying offsite this year during Christmas week. I hope those KTTW cards are quickly phased out. I'm armed with a good touring plan, hoping to capture as much of the quiet mornings as possible. I'm already planning on not riding any headliners after 10:00 AM or so, unless I am lucky enough to get a FP. Got to get the headliners just after rope drop.

For what this trip costs, even offsite, I refuse to spend hours and hours standing in line. A reasonable wait is fine, but 60-120 minutes for one ride...No thanks.

All I want for Christmas is a few FPs to make our WDW Christmas a bit more magical. Phasing out KTTW cards will certainly help.

 

[bcrook]

I don't understand why you think we AP holders are at any disadvantage. As long as AP holders stay onsite one night, they are at advantage over everyone else.

Now you are just being contrary. Expecting AP holders to book a night on site to game the system is ludicrous!

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Now you are just being contrary. Expecting AP holders to book a night on site to game the system is ludicrous!

A lot of AP holders stay on site anyway.

 

[bcrook]

A lot of AP holders stay on site anyway.

That is really not the point... And you know it. Come on admit it, you took that one too far.

 

[adoreboardwalk]

I think that the idea they are making fast passes a commodity is interesting (I don't feel a positive or a negative either way). I can see them creating fast pass packages and issuing them as add-on items to your magic your way tickets. If you truly want it to be YOUR way and you are willing to pay for it you can get unlimited fast passes added to your band.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

That is really not the point... And you know it. Come on admit it, you took that one too far.

I understand what you're saying. I just think you can mostly categorize people into on-site or off-site guests.

 

[Peanut Giggleface]

I understand what you're saying. I just think you can mostly categorize people into on-site or off-site guests.

You're forgetting the locals who have no on-site room or off-site room. They have their own bedroom they go home to at the end of the day. There are a lot of us and with Disney's dismissal of us as a group (certainly not a priority) makes me less likely to book a hotel room just so I can get the band thingies.

 

[agavegirl1]

I'll give you my opinion after we check out DCA for ourselves in 16 days!

I think you will like DCA...I went last summer (2012) and it was hugely improved from its original (I also went year one). Soarin over California makes a heck of a lot more sense when you are planning a drive along the Pacific Coast Highway in a couple of days. Carsland is (for me) the most thematic of lands in any Disney Park. However, RSR will require FP, that is, if it is working. Seems to have a high downtime rate.

In addition to your comment here, I noticed you also commented on this article in another thread I posted it to from the "Rumors and News Thread". Am I the only person who checks out that thread? Just curious.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I think that the idea they are making fast passes a commodity is interesting (I don't feel a positive or a negative either way). I can see them creating fast pass packages and issuing them as add-on items to your magic your way tickets. If you truly want it to be YOUR way and you are willing to pay for it you can get unlimited fast passes added to your band.

Im not sure if they will ever sell them, not sure they have the capacity.

 

[agavegirl1]

I believe further "tiered levels" will be be implemented. Criteria to to include onsite vs offsite and possibly resort levels and maybe "magical experiences" available for purchase. If you overbuild onsite stay capacity, underbuild total them park capacity, focus on travel agencies and tour groups, hope AP and DVC won't notice a difference... what is left for an offsite guest?

References on another website to CM training involving guests at Levels 1-4 involving FP+ reservation opportunities and tiering let me to this.


BTW I am a Theme Park Fan..I subscibe to 6 websites about this subject because a new roller coaster at theme park A may change my mind about theme park B. My very expensive 2 weeks in Orlando is because of the Mine Train, Potter 2.0, New features SW are why I am going for 2 weeks. Maybe Disney is getting extra guests from the other two parks. There is no market research about this.

I like to post news stories and factual reports. I have posted my concerns on different websites and threads. I am not by any means and expert on how to tour WDW. I have, however toured successfully using resources provided by this site and others and a couple of books I bought.