My first bridal portrait session (outdoors)

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Hey everyone,

Its been a while since I posted in the photography section, but I wanted to share about my upcoming bridal portrait shoot. It is to be outdoors at sunset, with the sun behind her, on a pier in the bay. I am bringing all my gear, because I'm not really sure what I will need.

I have a Rebel XS (yeah I know, Im saving up to buy a new body), a nifty 50, a 70-250mm, and the kit lens. I also will be using a speedlight 430EX, as well as a tripod, more than likely with a remote as well. Non camera equipment, I plan on buying a clear shower curtain, ( if i can find one) for the bride to stand on so she doesn't get her dress dirty.

My plan is to shoot in raw, and create multiple exposures from the raw image.
This is to hopefully have the sky fully exposed without losing the details in her dress.

Does anyone have any helpful tips they can pass along?

Thanks

Matt
 
With her being backlit you will definitely need the speedlight as a fill or she will most likely be underexposed.

Will the speedlight be on or off camera?
 
With her being backlit you will definitely need the speedlight as a fill or she will most likely be underexposed.

Will the speedlight be on or off camera?

On Camera. Im not sure how wide/long the pier is, and I also don't have a remote for the flash yet. Its on my list of things to eventually get though.

Matt
 
I wouldn't rely on RAW or HDR. Try to get the lighting as good as possible at the scene. Have a plan. Be ready to adjust your plan because reality rarely cooperates.

1) Make sure that the sun is going to be where you want it to be. Check a sunrise/sunset azimuth calculator to see exactly where it will set. For general purposes in the US, it will set somewhere in the west or southwest.

2) If the sun is behind her, she's going to be a silhouette. Unless she is made of stone, HDR isn't your answer. Use your flash for fill light. The trick is learning to balance the light from your camera and from your flash. If you leave it to the camera, it'll nuke her and let the rest of the scene go dark. You need to either know how to shoot your camera in manual and your flash in manual or know how to dial in exposure compensation and flash exposure compenstation. Personally, I'd go with full manual and practice it enough to be able to make changes quickly as conditions warrant.

3) Assuming that you use your flash to fill, the light coming from it will be much cooler than the light from the sunset. It will look odd to have her light with white light during an orange sunset. It might look interesting from an artsy perspective to have the different colored lights, but it definitely won't look natural. You want to put an orange gel over your flash. Get a CTO, 1/2 CTO, and 1/4 CTO. Bring them all and try different ones to see what works the best. They are cheap and easy to find.

4) If you can, get the flash off of the camera, direct fill is better than nothing, but it isn't very interesting. Neither the Rebel XS nor the 430EX have sync ports, so the easy option of just buying a long sync cable isn't there. If you've got time, you could order one of these. You could also rent a 580EX or an ST-E2 to use as a commander. The interface is pretty confusing, so if you go the rental route, give yourself a day or two for practice.

5) If you can get the flash away from the camera, you also want to diffuse it. A blast of light from a small flash isn't very flattering. If you can get something translucent and white to shoot through. I like to use a small, shoot-thru embrella, but anything that will make your flash bigger will help.

6) If you get the flash away from th camera and diffuse it, you will also want to control it. Having gobos (stuff that goes between your flash and your subject to block light) helps. If can be as simple as a little gaffer tape on the flash, a piece of cardboard, of whatever you can get your hands on. As a general rule, you'll want the flash at its most intense on your subjects face and have it very slowly fade away from there.

Here's a vaguely similar shot I took last year. OK, it doesn't have a bride or a pier, but it does have a sunset and it illustrates some of what I was talking about. It was taken in manual mode on the camera. I don't recall if the flash was in manual or E-TTL. I'm guessing E-TTL at -2/3 FEC, but that's just a wild guess. It was fired through a CTO or (1/2 CTO) gel and a shoot-thru umbrella. The flash was set as a wireless slave on the end of a paint pole held by my wife acting as a VAL (voice activated lightstand).
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Sunsets aren't predictable. Sometimes they are pretty. Sometimes not. If it gets really cloudy, what are you going to do? If there are no clouds at all and the sunset has no drama, what will you do?

I took this shot of my niece a few weeks ago. We had a dull sunset. The sun was way behind the clouds long before it set, so the light was nothing special. Using a gel helped give your a warm light. Selectively lighting her also helped. The concept was the same as the prior shot, but nature wasn't as helpful.
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To summarize: Make sure the sun is going to be where you want it. Moving the sun or a pier at the last minute isn't practical. Use your flash for fill or you will have a silhouette. Learn to control your flash so that you can balance the ambient light and the light from the flash. Gel your flash to get the color of light that you want. If possible, move your flash off camera and diffuse it. This isn't as critical as the stuff before, but it will help. If you can't get there this time, start planning on how you'll get there for next time. Finally, learn to control your flash(es) so that light goes where you want it and not where you don't want it. This is last part is one thing that you can fudge fairly easily in post production.

Finally, be ready to make it up as you go. After having watched bunches of videos from incredibly talented shooters, I'm shocked by how often they make radical changes to their plans. When you are making it up as you go, it really helps to know how your gear works.
 

Mark,

Thank you so much for all the insight. I have done some research into sunset, ie time and direction, but had not considered the use of Gels on the flash. Im not sure as to whether there is power on the pier, and I have a few small lights that I could use as well. I will definitely be emailing and asking a few more questions.

I plan on using the time between now and the shoot to get some practice in with the camera and the flash and figuring out exactly how to adjust for what I want.

I knew this was the best place to ask for recommendations or suggestions, as everyone is extremely helpful here. Thanks guys, I really appreciate your inputs and experience.

Matt
 
Well,

I stopped by my local Photography store, and they have no gels whatsoever and none of their other local stores have any either.

Does anyone have any recommendations for what to do in a pinch?

Mat
 
Well,

I stopped by my local Photography store, and they have no gels whatsoever and none of their other local stores have any either.

Does anyone have any recommendations for what to do in a pinch?

Mat
How much time do you have? You can easily order what you need from B&H or Adorama and get it pretty quickly.

SSB
 
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How much time do you have? You can easily order what you need from B&H or Adorama and get it pretty quickly.

SSB

Well, I just heard from the clients mother, and they may end up cancelling for this Sunday. She has a cold sore starting and is not sure about the pictures. If she does cancel, then it makes things a little easier time frame wise.

Matt
 
Here's a vaguely similar shot I took last year. OK, it doesn't have a bride or a pier, but it does have a sunset and it illustrates some of what I was talking about. It was taken in manual mode on the camera. I don't recall if the flash was in manual or E-TTL. I'm guessing E-TTL at -2/3 FEC, but that's just a wild guess. It was fired through a CTO or (1/2 CTO) gel and a shoot-thru umbrella. The flash was set as a wireless slave on the end of a paint pole held by my wife acting as a VAL (voice activated lightstand).

Mark I have a question. When shooting into the sun, doesnt high speed sync come into play? Do you use a filter on the lens to bring the light down or use an aperture that slows down the shutterspeed or set the flash unit for highspeed sync?
 
Mark I have a question. When shooting into the sun, doesnt high speed sync come into play? Do you use a filter on the lens to bring the light down or use an aperture that slows down the shutterspeed or set the flash unit for highspeed sync?

I didn't need high speed sync on either of those shots. The first shot was ISO 100, f/8, 1/125. The second shot was ISO 400, f/3.5, and 1/160. The sun isn't all that bright when it is right on the horizon, especially when it is going through a lot of sea mist.

I try to avoid highspeed sync when I can. It sucks battery power and drastically cuts output.
 
A small white reflector may work too. For this shot the sun was behind the couple and the reflector was to my camera left:

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But fill-flash will definitely help too. :)
 
I have some reflectors as well, and I have also asked about power availability at the pier. Im somewhat concerned about the weather, its not supposed to rain, but it is supposed to be windy 10-15 mph and partly cloudy. I was not able to get the gels, so that will had somewhat to my post session fixes.
Once again, thanks so much for everyone that has contributed, the more I think I know, the more I realize that I have so much left to learn.:thumbsup2

Matt
 
If your shoot is Sunday night, I would go out tonight (Saturday) and practice with a model/friend/relative. With the sun setting, you don't have a lot of time to make mistakes and call a do-over once you figure things out. After the sun sets, its over.
 
Well Guys

I have to report that things did go well. I brought all of my equipment, reflectors, and some lights, but the pier was not conducive to setting any of that up. It was very narrow, with the widest area the part that the bride was standing on.

It was quite windy, and chilly as well, but things went really well overall. I was able to use my flash for fill lighting, and although I did have some issues getting the exposure right, I think overall she will be very happy. I will post a link to my zenfolio page when I have some shots up.

Thanks everyone for their helpful comments and suggestions. As this is a hobby for me, and I have had no formal training other than the books I have read, your help as been invaluable.

You Guys Rock!:cool1:

Matt
 
Ok Guys!

Here is the link to the Bridal Portraits from over the weekend. I have noticed several things I would do differently next time, and one that I will pass along now is that no matter how many books you read, nothing teaches like experience.

so without further ado....

http://mattbirchfield.zenfolio.com/p316393285
 
Thanks for sharing. The picture of her holding her flowers in her lap is great.
 
Here is the link to the Bridal Portraits from over the weekend. I have noticed several things I would do differently next time, and one that I will pass along now is that no matter how many books you read, nothing teaches like experience.

Amen! I had read about shooting stage performances and technically I knew what to do but the first time I shot a dance concert I learned so much that books just can't teach you.

Seriously though, these are pretty good. They're in focus which puts you above 80% of the "professional photographers" out there right now. And I'm not kidding about that. Really, really great job if this was your first time on a shoot like that.
 
Here is another way to tackle the situation. One used in hollywood. sun reflectors. Old fashion way, but effective.
 
Amen! I had read about shooting stage performances and technically I knew what to do but the first time I shot a dance concert I learned so much that books just can't teach you.

Seriously though, these are pretty good. They're in focus which puts you above 80% of the "professional photographers" out there right now. And I'm not kidding about that. Really, really great job if this was your first time on a shoot like that.

Thanks Photo_chick!! I have seen your photos that you have posted and I consider that high praise!! :worship: One thing I will pass along, when you use a longer lens for portraits, I zoom in on the eyes and make sure that they are in focus, then pull back out for the shot I want.

Here is another way to tackle the situation. One used in hollywood. sun reflectors. Old fashion way, but effective.

I wasn't sure if the sun reflector would be effective, as the pier she was on was literally 20 feet or so from the bank. I knew she was going to be lit from her left side (towards the sunset) so I turned my camera almost upside down and put the flash at a 45 degree angle, so it would light up her right side. It was kinda off hand shooting for me, but I think it worked out.

Matt
 

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