My Disney Dilemma

I hate to sound like a dirty minded sicko, but I have heard of instances where totally innocent people were acused of inappropriate deeds by angry/ sick youngsters. For your own safety and your protection, I would like to suggest a female relative should come with you. In ministry, we are told never to go it alone, for our safety. And as a mother, I can tell you girls can be very tricky to deal with. BTW- I think you must be a very good parent!
 
wow I just read about your niece might be able to go. That would be perfect! And like I said a female relative. I think you will a have a wonderful time Dad!
 
I must say, I wouldn't let my daughter do it, even if you were a female. I just don't like those odds. I remember what *I* was like at that age. Now if your other niece can go - and she is a responsible individual - I'd be much more likely. Still, I'd insist on at least 1 physical checkin every 3-4 hours, minimum. Maybe even start lower, like every 2 hours, then increase the time period as a reward for showing up promptly.

Again, this is based on what I used to get into when dropped off at amusement parks when I was a kid (like 15 years ago!).

By the way, that is a really, really cool thing for a dad/uncle to do :earsgirl:
 
I think if your college age niece can join you, there shouldn't be a problem as long as you're in the same park as the girls and do a "meet-up" at intervals. The 6 - 1 ratio really doesn't seem bad to me -- I'm a high school teacher in Florida, and I've chaperoned many field trips to Florida amusement parks where I was responsible for anywhere from 8 to 12 kids in the 14 to 16 age range with no problem and no fear for their safety. I jut made sure we had regular check-in's. We'd do something like watch a show together, then split up for a few hours of rides, then meet for lunch, then split up for a few more hours of rides, etc. Just because there is such a high chance of accusations (founded or unfounded) with one man chaperoning six teen girls, I think it would only be prudent for your adult niece to be along. I know I wouldn't let my husband chaperone a bunch of teen girls alone, not because I don't trust him, but because we live in a very unsure society. I've seen high school kids totally misconstrue comments or body contact between themselves and other students -- I would never want my husband in the position for such misunderstandings to occur. I can relate to your wife's and sister's concerns on that note.
 

I think if your college age niece can join you, there shouldn't be a problem as long as you're in the same park as the girls and do a "meet-up" at intervals. The 6 - 1 ratio really doesn't seem bad to me -- I'm a high school teacher in Florida, and I've chaperoned many field trips to Florida amusement parks where I was responsible for anywhere from 8 to 12 kids in the 14 to 16 age range with no problem and no fear for their safety. I jut made sure we had regular check-in's. We'd do something like watch a show together, then split up for a few hours of rides, then meet for lunch, then split up for a few more hours of rides, etc. Just because there is such a high chance of accusations (founded or unfounded) with one man chaperoning six teen girls, I think it would only be prudent for your adult niece to be along. I know I wouldn't let my husband chaperone a bunch of teen girls alone, not because I don't trust him, but because we live in a very unsure society. I've seen high school kids totally misconstrue comments or body contact between themselves and other students -- I would never want my husband in the position for such misunderstandings to occur. I can relate to your wife's and sister's concerns on that note.
 
Well I've read everyone's opinions and can see both sides. One thing I don't think anyone has commented on though is what if something happens to you? Now I realize this is unlikely but if you got sick (either with just a bad stomach flu or a full blown heart attack) what would these girls do? Would you still want to drag them to the parks if you were that sick and who would be in charge of them if something really bad happened to you? Just food for thought - one more reason it'd be better if your niece or another adult could be there. Good luck with your decision.
 
I am in the minority, but I see nothing wrong. The oldest girls are almost old enough to drive...a huge responsibility. I think that they are old enough to be able to watch out for the younger girls. If you are going to be in the same park, you will be accessible. I know a lot of people posted that they didn't think it was a good idea. All claimed it wasn't because you are a man. I wonder how true that is. No one would think twice if a mom took 6 boys anywhere. You never said why your wife wasn't going. If she has such a problem with it, why isn't she going? That would solve the problem. I think I would be more nervous about a college age chaperone. Just my thoughts.
 
Be careful here, you also need to protect yourself from any possiblilty of a false accusation. I wouldn't let my teen daughter go under this arrangement, not enough supervision. You really need at least one other adult along and yes, preferably a female. I think your niece going along is a great idea. Your wife isn't interested in going? I also feel that if the girls need to wait until everyone is well, so be it. Don't get into a situation just out of fear of telling them it'll have to wait.
 
Yes, I would love it if my wife could come with us. But for the last few summers she has taken a relief position in the medical field where she has to be on call for 24 hours a day for 2 days in every 4. But we knew this when we planned the trip out last year.

As for postponing the trip, that won’t work either. Next summer (2005) will not work for my oldest daughter and her friend. Christmas is out for my sister’s daughter. (Also, the only vacation I would ever take at Christmas is strictly a family holiday) And under normal circumstances, I don’t believe in taking kids out of school to go on vacations. So we are left with this summer or nothing.

I am interested in those who believe kids in this age group should not be left to look after themselves at a Disney park. I understand why so many see the need to have an adult close by. But I was a little surprised by how adamant some are about the adult to teen ratio.

At some point, all children have to be given the opportunity to look after themselves. When I was young, I essentially had total freedom during the day to do what I wanted once I reached my teen years. I can remember being 14 and taking my little brother and sister across town on the bus to spend the day at a local amusement park. Now, I know that things are different today and we as a society have a different view about letting our children do things unsupervised.

But at some point teens have to be allowed this freedom. You can’t learn to take care of yourself if you are never given that responsibility. It would seem to me at least, that Disney parks are probably the safest places one could think of to allow teens to make the first baby steps in this direction. The decision to allow our girls this freedom was made quite consciously. If this freedom is abused or their responsibilities are neglected in anyway, from that point forward they will be saddled with my presence every second they are in the parks. If any of them does anything particularly bad, then the trip is over and we will head back home. They have all been told this. With responsibility comes consequences. But in providing them the opportunity to fail, you are also giving them the chance to succeed – to gain a little confidence and self assurance. So while I’m mindful of what could go wrong, I don’t think the risk is great enough not to allow the girls this wonderful opportunity.
 
It's difficult for me to give a definitive answer on this simply b/c I don't know these girls personally... and yes, that DOES make a difference. Assuming they are responsible and you truly believe they wouldn't put themselves into risky situations, I still think it is okay to go -- provided your niece is also available. I have four kids of my own -- they are 5yo and under... I go everywhere with them by myself.... I also have their friends with me from time to time -- and watching little ones DOES require FULL supervision and it IS possible -- so the fact that these kids are older and the ratio is 1:6 is not so much what bothers me as the fact that there IS an outside possibility of something happening to you or one of them that would require -- or at least be much easier handled with two adults -- imho -- and so I would say, first -- you have to do what you and your wife are comfortable with -- I'm not sure how to convince her -- is she more comfortable with you niece helping out? And just try to be as prepared as possible for situations to arise. I mean, afterall -- everything will probably work out fine -- but just what if -- what if something terrible happened -- would you be able to live with that?

I bet lots of teenagers would love to have a dad willing to entrust them this much! I know mine wouldn't have! I understand you not wanting to go back on your word with your kids and niece -- but you do have to look at the long term... if you do this w/o your sister and wife's blessing -- how will that affect things with your relationships? Also, if the mothers of the other kids are fine with this, I'd ask them to help you persuade your wife and sister. Good luck.
 
I don't have any good advice for you. (And as the mother of 2 girls I'm not sure I would be willing to let them go away to WDW with friends and one male parent without my being there too -- but that's an aside.)

But I wanted to say that I hope you all have a wonderful trip. :D
 
I think you should just take your daughters and your niece. What about taking the cruise? There's a teenage area that's chaperoned very well. We were a large group with one teenager all by himself (very shy) and he had a blast. They also go to the Disney Island with 3 beaches. 1 adult, 1 family and 1 all teenagers. You can make a deal that they can do all their own thing on the cruise ship (Disney gives out pagers for the parents) and while at the park (cut down the days to only a few) they have to be with you. Maybe your sister could go on the cruise if she promises to just sit in the sun and read a book. Good luck.
 
Not sure what I would do in this situation, so I really can't give any advice in that regard. I think having your older niece there would be good if you decide to take the girls yourself. At least there is one more adult figure & a female at that.

However, another bit of advice from me is to stay on-site. Transportation to, from & between parks would probably be easier on everyone. JMO.

Good luck with your decision. :)
 
The reality is that god forbid something were to happen to you or to one of the girls.. you simply cannot adequately deal with any emergency on your own. While you may not think this to be a likely situation, you just never know. What if you yourself get sick or something? Who would "take over"? That is why it is best to have another adult with you. Sorry.... I know you are trying to defend your position as I'm sure you all want to go very badly. Is it impossible for your wife to join you?
 
I would not go alone for the simple fact that anything can happen. What if you are injured and unable to drive? Are you driving to WdW or flying? How far is the drive?
I, for one, fell down a whole flight of stairs at WDW and lucky for me it was our last night. I could have been hurt alot worse than I was - I did end up having surgery a few weeks later . And I never expected that to happen.
I also am taking off with my two nieces to WDW in less than two weeks. I was going to take the two of them by myself, but then my mom thought it would be better to have another adult so my brother is going.
Good luck and I hope you get it worked out.
 
I just read your post that your neice will probably be able to go with you, and I think that's a great thing. It gives you another adult, in case you would (unlikely) get hurt or something, that gives you one to stay at the house/hotel with one of the girls if they should get sick, and of course it's a female chaperone.

When I first posted, I didn't realize you were going to be in the park with the girls, that would make a difference too.

I say go, and enjoy your trip. You're an awesome dad to be doing this for your kids!

Steph
 
My first reaction to your original post was an uneasy feeling. For me it is the male issue and your safety from accusations. However, with the gaggle of girls, it seems unlikely that you would be alone with anyone.

I think about my own childhood and I had way more freedom than kids do today. I believe that people often stifle their children's development by not allowing them more freedom. I congratulate you for allowing your kids to have some breathing room.

About the possiblity of your getting hurt. I think that is a small issue. My sister is a single mom with three kids (they are younger than 13-15). She flies solo everyday. Things may happen or they may not. If something happens, I'm sure you and/or the girls will deal with it fine. If one of the girls gets sick, maybe they all have to hang by the pool for the day. It would be unfortunate, but not the end of the world. After all it might rain, rain, rain, while you're there.

I hope you have a great time. Please post and let us know how it turns out.
 
I was looking for an old post of mine when I stumbled across this thread. I kind of promised to give an update on what happened. So here it is, better late than never I guess:

Though my wife and sister and were not entirely convinced whether this trip should happen or not, I had made up my mind. At the very least I was taking my daughters. This was never in doubt as far I was concerned. I made a deal with them, they worked hard to keep up their end of the bargain and I wasn’t about to let that effort go unrewarded. As for the other girls (including my sister’s daughter), this was a call that would have to made by their respective parents.

In the end my sister decided it was alright for her daughter to come, but my niece’s friend could not make it (unrelated issues). Both my daughters’ friends were able to go. So that was it. It was me and 5 girls. If you had read the entire thread you might be wondering about my other niece from Miami. Well, she ended up getting a different job and wasn’t able to make it up to Orlando after all.

We flew in, grabbed the van and made our way to the house we had rented. This was really a sweet deal. Friends of friends had hooked me up with this place. The owners don’t normally rent it out. But we couldn’t have asked for a better place – and the price was more than reasonable. It was an enormous 5 bedroom place. Downstairs was a huge master suite with its own bathroom, huge TV, sitting area and deck. This was perfect oasis for me. The girls split up the other bedrooms upstairs.

The deal was that they would pay for their own park tickets, their own food and all other entertainment options. I took care of the house and the transportation. So here is how a typical day would shake down. They would wake up early and make breakfast for themselves while waiting patiently for me to get up. Of course they learned rather quickly that a pot of strong coffee was the best motivation for me to vacate a warm bed on vacation.

We would drive to one of the parks where I would spend between 2 and 4 hours hanging out with them. I always took off before lunch and found someplace on my own to eat. I figured the less I knew about all the sugar and grease they were consuming the better off I was. They would spend the rest of the afternoon without me, checking in at least once by phone. Sometimes I stuck around the park, sometimes I went off and just explored the resort. Either way I wanted to make sure they had some time to do things without a parent looking over their shoulders. If they stuck around until after dark, I would join them in the park for dinner and tag along the rest of the evening. If they came home earlier, it was up to them to make dinner. Most nights they wanted to hang out at the house. The pool was perfect for this, or they would rent movies and watch them upstairs or they just yakked for endless hours.

This was actually very easy for me, and quite enjoyable. I’m not the kind to spend hours and hours in a theme park. I read 4 whole books – a luxury I haven’t enjoyed in years. It was maybe the most relaxing time I have ever had on vacation. The girls were quite determined to impress me with their ability to look after themselves and prove to me just how responsible they could be. And in that they succeeded quite admirably.

So, the end result was a winning little trip.

BTW, my sister is doing very well and is much improved.
 
That sounds so wonderful. I'm so glad you got to go and give the girls a wonderful vacation!

What a great group of girls too!
 
I hadn't even noticed the date on the OP and I was going to reply and say go for it!! I know when I was 15/16, I was a senior in high school and well, as we know, many seniors in high school are pretty self sufficient :sunny:

I'm glad you all went and had a nice time!!
 


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