My Boss Hates Me... VENT

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I don't know if this is just a vent, or if anyone can offer any positive advice to me. I know this is going to get long.

I've been employed at the same place for 18 years. My boss has been here for 20 years. I've reported to him for about 8 years.

17 years ago, he came into a break room in which I was sitting with another coworker. My boss came into that room and acknowledged my coworker and ignored me. I asked him, "am I invisible?" as a joke. He took it personally and has held a grudge against me since then. He even went to my then boss to complain that I was out of line because he was senior to me within the organization.

When I first started reporting to him, I hated every minute of it. As time passed, he turned out not to be as bad as I originally thought he'd be. He, myself and two other managers that report to him worked well together.

Over that time, however, he has made comments to me. He has told me on several occasions that I'm smarter than he is. I think I am, too, but everyone has their own nitch, and his happens to be accounting and numbers. Mine is IT. I don't think a person repeats this over and over unless they are feeling insecure about their abilities. He has also said on a number of occasions that it bugs him that he could never get rid of me even if he wanted to. I married the Chairman's nephew. Technically, he can't get rid of me, but I've attained the level I have in the organization in spite of this familial link and not because of it. I started the IT department back in the early 90's. I wouldn't still be the head of it if I wasn't good at my job. He doesn't like, though, that I have access to the Chairman outside of the organization and that he doesn't. Frankly, if he saw what access is like to this guy, he wouldn't be impressed. I've never spoken to my uncle through marriage about the organization. Mostly about our kids.

So, fast forward to December 23, 2004. This guy tells me that me and my entire staff are "mf'g idiots." He resorted to namecalling, again, because I think he's over his head insofar as my department and our knowledge is concerned. I went to his office on Christmas Eve and told him that if he had to resort to name-calling, especially vial name-calling, that I'd lost all respect for him. I told him that if he pulled that stuff again, I'd hang up the phone on him or I'd walk out of his office. No apology, but he hasn't said that again.

A few months later, he heard a rumor about something I said and blew it way out of proportion. Wrote me up about it. The problem was that his facts were all wrong and the way he presented it to me was illegal. I refused to sign it. After speaking with my attorney, he advised me to write a rebuttal to his memo. I did. I figured he'd be smart enough to go to HR and tell them that he'd resolved the issue on his own and that there was no need to document anything. In my rebuttal, I brought up some things about him that I, as a manager, wouldn't want to have documented about me in someone's personnel file. He gave it to HR, so I have evidence of the hostile environment that he's created for some time now. Evidence that he placed into my file.

So, he was rotten to me for some time after that. He calmed down toward the end of last year, but things have started to boil over again. Basically, he's two-faced. He told me in February that he was impressed by the speed at which my department was attacking projects this year. Then, after a small problem occurred with a cutover on February 27th, he told me that everything I touch goes bad and "can't you ever do anything right, ever?" When does an IT cutover ever happen without any problems? Hardly ever. That has nothing to do with planning or abilities. It is the luck of the draw that some issue will arise when you go live. The problem that occurred was small and was fixed and running at 100% by the next day.

I've started to avoid him at all costs. I don't need him to do my job, except when it comes to his final authorization on what I already know to be right. He's currently sitting on two of my projects because he "needs to review them." It's just so frustrating.

I've gone to our HR department, informally, so far. I've told our HR Manager that IMO I should be in my own division and not reporting to any go-between to the President. He agreed and was floored to find out about some of the things this guy has pulled with me. He told me if I need to file a grievance that he'd take care of the investigation, etc.

Next week, my boss will be at a conference. He's purposely made it impossible for me to attend this, even though I'd gain more from it than him going to it. He takes another one of his managers (a man, who is often invited to his house to watch games and for parties) but won't take me because he doesn't like me. I've given him 3 pages of information that I want him to bring back for me even though every time I've asked him to get information for me in the past, he's conveniently forgotten to do it.

So, what do I do? Do I formally file a complaint against him? I've been tracking his actions for over 2-years now, so I have plenty of dates, times and events to use. Or, because of my position as the Chairman's neice in law, should I keep quiet and not upset the apple cart? Will there be more retribution if I go to HR?

Frankly, if it wasn't for him making me physically ill that I have to report to him, I could see myself at this company forever. Even with these conflicts, I want to be here longer than him. I've invested a lot in this company and have seen it grow, in many ways because of the automations I've put in place, more than 10-fold. I don't want to consider leaving. I just want him to get out of my way.

BTW, my DH also holds a high position within this organization. My boss, on many occasions has bad-mouthed my DH in front of my peers. I think he's also jealous of the fact of my DH's family ties. My DH is a workaholic who makes a lot of money for the organization. He has not been promotable because he's gone to his uncle for favors. He has attained his position through hard work.

If you've read this far... thanks for "listening" to me vent. I don't care if my boss likes me or not. I just want him to respect me and to treat me with fairness and dignity.
 
NO ONE should be subjected to their boss CURSING at them...I'd definitely file an official grievance. Hope it gets better!
 
Yeah, I think you should file a grievance.

Also, if you got where you are without the help of the Chairman as a family member, then don't use the same excuse (Chairman is family) to NOT file a grievance. Remove the relationship from the equation.
 
Christine has a good point.

You could wait until your boss comes back from the conference without the info requested and use that as the "straw that broke the camel's back" to file your grievance with HR.

I left a place because I knew it would be impossible to fight for change - if there is a possibility for you and you want to stay with the company, then I think you should go for it. Good luck.
 

I agree with both Christine and diznygirl. If you file while he is gone that looks petty like you were doing it behind his back. If you wait and he does not bring that info you requested that is just one more example of the problem. I am hoping you have a copy of the list you gave him of the info you needed.
 
diznygirl said:
Christine has a good point.

You could wait until your boss comes back from the conference without the info requested and use that as the "straw that broke the camel's back" to file your grievance with HR.

I left a place because I knew it would be impossible to fight for change - if there is a possibility for you and you want to stay with the company, then I think you should go for it. Good luck.

I agree with the others. Just as you haven't used your family relationship to advance yourself, you shouldn't have to be subjected to this jerk just because of the relationship (as in not wanting to make waves).

I agree with you, you shouldn't have to report to him to start with, and it's very possible that they'll make that change after you file a grievance.

Good luck!
 
I have worked in HR and agree with the other posts regarding waiting until he returns w/o the info you asked for. That would be an ideal time to file a grievance.

Also, when/if you do file, I would leave out anything at all related to your husband and his uncle. Anytime there are things that could appear to be "personal" or "emotional" they won't carry as much weight. And as you said you have advanced to your position without any influence from your family connections.

You definitely want to document things like him not bringing back the information from the conference and complimenting you one day on you & your dept. then turning around and saying everything you touch is a disaster. Those types of incidents will be taken seriously by any good HR person/dept.
 
I feel for you! I know what it's like to work for a boss you can't stand. :sad2: For me, it felt like wearing shoes that were too tight all the time. A real pain.

It's like it's raining as soon as they walk through the door. My boss cursed like a sailor too. At people, about people --you name it. Gossiped about her employees, using information that was given in confidence! I'm sure the information wouldn't have been shared with her if it wasn't necessary. And she spread it like wild fire.

Yes. Report him, with gusto!! Especially since you want to stay with the company and you like it otherwise. Treat it with the same diligence you would one of your projects. You need to loose this jerk!

I didn't care for my job. So leaving it and (my boss's problems) was the best solution for me.

Good luck!! :goodvibes
 
Buttercup26 said:
I have worked in HR and agree with the other posts regarding waiting until he returns w/o the info you asked for. That would be an ideal time to file a grievance.

Also, when/if you do file, I would leave out anything at all related to your husband and his uncle. Anytime there are things that could appear to be "personal" or "emotional" they won't carry as much weight. And as you said you have advanced to your position without any influence from your family connections.

You definitely want to document things like him not bringing back the information from the conference and complimenting you one day on you & your dept. then turning around and saying everything you touch is a disaster. Those types of incidents will be taken seriously by any good HR person/dept.

Agree completely. "Just the facts" and no opinions and no references to your "connections."
 
So, this morning, he tells me that I should put in writing everything I want from the conference. So, I did... three pages worth of questions and items I'd like for him to pick up for me.

He doesn't discuss this with me. He forwards my email to our account executive at the company holding the conference. He wants him to schedule a teleconference with us so we can start to discuss all of these "issues". He said that he didn't know that I was having so many problems with the company.

I emailed him back, since I was cc:'d on the email. I told him that I wished that he'd discussed this with me before sending it to our AE. I told him that I thought that the items would have been better discussed with users at the conference, because then you'd get the truth and not the sales pitch. I also wanted him to politic some of the developers with some of my ideas, one of which I can see them using to make some money while I get what I want in the long run. I put in my email that I guess we don't need to discuss this any longer since he's already "handled" it. He wrote me back and said that it was handled in the manner that he deemed appropriate.

Yep, appropriate to him.... he surely wouldn't want to go to the multi-protocol label switching presentation, or discuss it with anyone because he has no clue what this means even though I footnoted my comments with a definition of it for him and how and why I think its important to find out this company's positions on it. He'd be too embarrassed to ask someone about it.

Thank you for your comments. I may have another informal discussion with our HR manager before he's back from the conference. Believe me, we don't have a hugely professional HR department. Many items are fly by your seat. Although they know what the laws are, that doesn't mean that I won't get heat from them because I stirred up trouble with a sr management employee.

One thing I know, though. I can't keep on working for someone whom I don't respect.... and that ship sailed a long while ago with him.

Your comments are well taken. Thank you.
 
Christine said:
Yeah, I think you should file a grievance.

Also, if you got where you are without the help of the Chairman as a family member, then don't use the same excuse (Chairman is family) to NOT file a grievance. Remove the relationship from the equation.

That was my thought too. What would you do if you were not related to the COB - that is the action you should take. Forget the relationship and act like you would at any other organization.
 
I had a long talk with my DH this morning about everything that is going on at work. He had no idea that it had gotten so bad. I try not to tell him a lot about what happens at the office since he works there, too. I don't want my opinions on things to sway his opinions. Kind of like trash talking someone from work and then having your spouse meet them at a function. You can tell when someone has been peppered with the negatives.... it's kind of how my bosses' wife treats me when we are together socially.

He asked for time to mull everything over. He understands my concern that if this comes to a head through HR, it might speed my separation from his division, but I know he'll be spiteful and tell the President that I'm "not ready" to be a division manager and he'll see to it that someone is hired over me even though, except for his rubber-stamping and delays, I've been functioning, albeit not in title, as the CIO for many years already.

So, HR experts, please tell me. What happens when I take my documentation to HR? They investigate my charges, I know that. If I must keep reporting to this guy, what should I look for to change? What happens if things don't change or they get worse. What happens if I stir up a bunch of resentment from the other sr managers even if my claims are warranted?

I'm usually pretty laid back about things at work. I've never had to challenge a supervisor before but I've been successful in rectifying many problems that I've had with employees over the years. One of my departments has primarily entry level staff and many problem individuals have been transferred to that area over the years because I have a history of making problem employees turn into valued ones.
 


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