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[dadddio]

But people didn't just pull that out of the sky. That's how it has been tested for YEARS. Before acutal FP+ testing, they tested it out with the birthday promotion and the "give a day" promotion.

I actually believe the tiering is a critical piece of making this work. It's their way of rationing rides. Since it's all wrapped up in a magical band, people will swallow it in huge numbers without complaint. If they had merely rolled out a limitation of Fps distributed (only 2 headliners per day or 1 per ride) on the current system, the outcry would be even greater. The rationing will free up more "FP currency" to bestow upon people through "suprprise and delight" opportunities, or perhaps as enticement to stay onsite.

I'd LOVE to see the new system roll out with no tiering. But I'd be shocked as heck too.

It isn't true that every test used tiering. In fact, the choices weren't tiered in the video that is running around that shows how the kiosks work.

It should also be noted that if hey only allowed one e-ticket attraction in the three preselects, then there would be a huge number of e-ticket slots left available; many more than would be needed for pushed offers. I'll not bother discussing the on-site issue since that concept runs somewhat counter to their public statements.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

As long as the number of FPs scheduled remained below the ride's capacity, it would work a treat. In fact, if capacity was a given, all rides could be scheduled with shorter windows and here would be no need for a SB line.

The two problems with doing away with SB are that capacity cannot be forecasted perfectly and the standby windows are too large. Therefore, they have to schedule less FPs than capacity and use SB for filler.

I realise this is a personal preference but I absolutely hate the idea of FP+ and since they started enforcing FP return times, we don't use it anymore. I rather jump in line and wait than have to be constantly watching a clock.

If anything were to happen they did away with stand by lines, we would never return to WDW. Not saying you were suggesting they would but it would be a nightmare for us to have to plan every moment at Disney like that

 

[dadddio]

...... but first they need to stop giving it away for "free". Which is why all the downgrades to the current system first. (No more late FPs, tiering, max of 3 per park, only one park per day).

Two of the four of those are just forum supposition and the last may or may not be completely accurate.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

What is a "superuser"?

Superuser (sometimes used interchangeably with "uber-user" ) was a phrase someone made up on the Dis to refer to anyone who used more than 3 or more FP's per day.

 

[clareita]

As far as $$ buying access and more FP+: In my opinion it is a foregone conclusion that this is where this is headed eventually. There is too much money to be had by Disney in this. What percentage of deluxe or concierge guests would pay a little more to get more FP+? If Disney said: available for deluxe or concierge guests only, a $100 charge to increase your FP+ to 5 or 6. I would venture most if not all would do that. In addition, there are probably not an insignificant amount of guests that would choose deluxe over moderate just for that reason. I, as one, would certainly pay more, as I do it at US/IoA. Money buying access is not a Disney idea. Its as old and established as any fee for service.

Remember, Disney exists to MAKE MONEY. If they believe they can make more money by doing something (within reason) they will do it. I feel like pay for access is something they will eventually get into.

I for one would totally pay for more FP+ if it was an option, and you can bet the majority of guests who could afford would as well. When you are already spending thousands of dollars to be at WDW, what is a couple hundred dollars more?

 

[Robo]

I realise this is a personal preference but I absolutely hate the idea of FP+ and since they started enforcing FP return times, we don't use it anymore. I rather jump in line and wait than have to be constantly watching a clock.

When the full rollout of FP+ comes along, I do expect Standby Lines will continue.

(And continue, and continue, and continue...)

 

[Disney_Princess83]

I for one would totally pay for more FP+ if it was an option, and you can bet the majority of guests who could afford would as well. When you are already spending thousands of dollars to be at WDW, what is a couple hundred dollars more?

I wouldn't pay for more FP+ options but I would pay to be able to return at anytime and jump in the FP line. Even if we have to schedule a "time" and then could return anytime afterwards to ride. Similar to the old "return at anytime" FP.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

When the full rollout of FP+ comes along, I do expect Standby Lines will continue.

(And continue, and continue, and continue...)

I know! I've heard so many reports of standby lines already being much longer than what has been listed as the wait line.

 

[dadddio]

What is a "superuser"?

I think that most people are using the term for a person who maximizes FP usage. Before the return time change this person would be a 'collector' who gathers FPs most of he day and hen uses them all once FPs are gone. This person would also grab as many FPs as possible for a specific ride, obtains several rides on a ride such s TSMM without a significant wait.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

I think that most people are using the term for a person who maximizes FP usage. Before the return time change this person would be a 'collector' who gathers FPs most of he day and hen uses them all once FPs are gone. This person would also grab as many FPs as possible for a specific ride, obtains several rides on a ride such s TSMM without a significant wait.

While I'm not suggesting you are saying that an uber user/super user is necessarily a "bad thing"? What person doesn't want to maximise their vacation time? No one is stopping anyone from using FP, it is an option available for everyone. There is enough information and signage available that every guests could have learned and used how to use FP. If they didn't use it, it was their choice.

 

[2Tiggies]

I for one would totally pay for more FP+ if it was an option, and you can bet the majority of guests who could afford would as well. When you are already spending thousands of dollars to be at WDW, what is a couple hundred dollars more?

Nope, no way would I be happy to have to pay for more FP+
In fact, if it were an option I would have to reassess whether Disney was going to be a vacation destination for us in the future.

Charging for FP+ immediately cuts out out a good chunk of Disney goers from ever being able to experience that benefit. What's a few hundred more dollars? Well to some, it's the difference between going to Disney and not going at all!

Park privileges are not the same as resort privileges in my view. Everyone accessing the parks has the same options for park tickets. You do not get a discount on your park tickets for staying onsite or get charged more if you do not. That is fair.

Guests staying in a Deluxe resort get deluxe resort amenities and benefits. Those at a value resort have fewer. But they are resort benefits and yes, they are based on what you pay, but the nicer pools and in-resort restaurants deluxe guests get to enjoy do not take away from the experience of those who paid to stay in a value or a moderate. Paying for FP immediately changes the park experience based on what you as a guest can afford. I see this as prejudice.

 

[2Tiggies]

There is enough information and signage available that every guests could have learned and used how to use FP. If they didn't use it, it was their choice.

Agreed! And that same information available to everyone gave us the option of assessing when it was NOT a good call to use FP at any given time - something we have done on occasion on every trip thus far

 

[TLSnell1981]

I think that most people are using the term for a person who maximizes FP usage. Before the return time change this person would be a 'collector' who gathers FPs most of he day and hen uses them all once FPs are gone. This person would also grab as many FPs as possible for a specific ride, obtains several rides on a ride such s TSMM without a significant wait.

Well, I guess, we were the occasional "offender". The ones, who booked TS, like Disney expected....usually twice a day. We do not hit rope drop and have only arrived early enough to grab TSMM FP once....EVER! I don't do roller coasters, so my FP use is very limited. Although, this current chaos has still greatly affected our touring plan. Yes, we DO choose between pulling a FP OR TS because it's a giant hassle. We rarely eat in the park now and just dine in our room.

This "transition" is a mess. We have no trips planned to WDW, after next month. We are doing US in the fall with a quick cruise....and only because its booked in conjunction with another event.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

Paying for FP immediately changes the park experience based on what you as a guest can afford. I see this as prejudice.

It might be prejudice however it simply is the world we live in. To some extent, it has always been like this and is simply a part of life. Business reward customers who are willing and able to pay for extra perks. It makes business sense for them to offer this to customer who will pay more. Apart from the fact they will make money from someone paying the extra, they are also assisting in developing a long term "relationship" as they're hopeful for return business.

I'm not necessarily agreeing with paying more. That being said, I would pay for more if I felt the perk was worth it for our family

 

[mom2rtk]

It isn't true that every test used tiering. In fact, the choices weren't tiered in the video that is running around that shows how the kiosks work.

It should also be noted that if hey only allowed one e-ticket attraction in the three preselects, then there would be a huge number of e-ticket slots left available; many more than would be needed for pushed offers. I'll not bother discussing the on-site issue since that concept runs somewhat counter to their public statements.

So you think if I get 3 FP+ choices in the MK, I'll get to choose the 3 mountains? Or that if I get 2 or more choices in Epcot I'll get to choose TT and Soarin? Or Rnr, ToT and TSMM at DHS? I just don't think they will allow that.

That's really what this boils down to. We can argue about what they tested when, but in the end, do you think I'll have access to the same selection of FP rides I did before? It probably won't even be close.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

Agreed! And that same information available to everyone gave us the option of assessing when it was NOT a good call to use FP at any given time - something we have done on occasion on every trip thus far

We tried using FP with the enforced times and it just didn't work for us. We felt we couldn't go too far because we were watching the clock until our time finally opened up. Then we had to use it right away so we could "move on". It felt more like work...

 

[2Tiggies]

It might be prejudice however it simply is the world we live in. To some extent, it has always been like this and is simply a part of life. Business reward customers who are willing and able to pay for extra perks. It makes business sense for them to offer this to customer who will pay more. Apart from the fact they will make money from someone paying the extra, they are also assisting in developing a long term "relationship" as they're hopeful for return business.

I'm not necessarily agreeing with paying more. That being said, I would pay for more if I felt the perk was worth it for our family

Oh I absolutely agree with you and cannot fault a thing you have said. I was trying to point out that the socio economic structure is already set out by tiered levels of luxury/basics with the Disney resorts. I do think that is a fact of life and something most people have a grasp on whether they like it or not. You're right, if you live in this world you cannot escape the reality of it.

But the parks are different. It shouldn't matter when you are in the parks who paid for what resort or hotel or whether they took the Disney bus or drove their car there. The parks are where Walt wanted the families to be able to enjoy time together and have fun. Segregating people in the parks by their economic status leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. I admit, it would be a tighter budget if I had to incorporate additional privileges being charged for into my vacation budget, but it is not unattainable for me. But not everyone is that blessed and I don't think that is fair.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

So you think if I get 3 FP+ choices in the MK, I'll get to choose the 3 mountains? Or that if I get 2 or more choices in Epcot I'll get to choose TT and Soarin? Or Rnr, ToT and TSMM at DHS? I just don't think they will allow that.

That's really what this boils down to. We can argue about what they tested when, but in the end, do you think I'll have access to the same selection of FP rides I did before? It probably won't even be close.

I hope that they will but I don't think they will. That being said, who uses FP for anything else other than the headliners? We only ever get FP's for the Mountains at MK and Peter Pan, EE and Dinosaur for AK, ToT, TSMM and RnRC at HS, Test Track and Soarin at EP. If I can't get more than one, why would I use it?

 

[dadddio]

While I'm not suggesting you are saying that an uber user/super user is necessarily a "bad thing"? What person doesn't want to maximise their vacation time? No one is stopping anyone from using FP, it is an option available for everyone. There is enough information and signage available that every guests could have learned and used how to use FP. If they didn't use it, it was their choice.

I'm not saying that its a bad thing. In fact, I am the user that I described in my other post. That doesn't mean that it isn't in the company's (and typical guest's) best interest to change my behavior, however.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

I'm absolutely not saying that it's fair. However I think Disney will eventually go that way. Unfortunately most businesses offer perks at an extra charge. I don't think it "should" go this way but I do think that it will. We would be able to afford the extra charge and I don't think it would be a good idea.

Oh I absolutely agree with you and cannot fault a thing you have said. I was trying to point out that the socio economic structure is already set out by tiered levels of luxury/basics with the Disney resorts. I do think that is a fact of life and something most people have a grasp on whether they like it or not. You're right, if you live in this world you cannot escape the reality of it.

But the parks are different. It shouldn't matter when you are in the parks who paid for what resort or hotel or whether they took the Disney bus or drove their car there. The parks are where Walt wanted the families to be able to enjoy time together and have fun. Segregating people in the parks by their economic status leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. I admit, it would be a tighter budget if I had to incorporate additional privileges being charged for into my vacation budget, but it is not unattainable for me. But not everyone is that blessed and I don't think that is fair.