More updated Fastpass+ information

[mom2rtk]

The ability of 'superusers' to take full advantage only exists because a huge percentage of guests don't utilize FP.

And what was keeping them from using it?

This is what amuses most about this. They are willing to change up the entire program to try to MAKE people use a system that was already really easy to use. And I suppose when those people don't get online and schedule their fastpasses under FP+, Disney will assign them some "quick picks".

They're going to have fun whether they like it or not!

I wonder if Mickey will come to their room and drag them out of bed to make sure they don't miss their assigned times......

 

[happy_momma]

There is free wifi available in the parks. There has been speculation that this is partially why wifi was added, for this very reason.

Good to know, thanks...I thought it was only at the resorts. I guess we've not noticed because we haven't had any need for our phones in the parks before.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

That doesn't actually change the PP's point.

The ability of 'superusers' to take full advantage only exists because a huge percentage of guests don't utilize FP.

Just putting it out there but if every guest used FP, there would be no standby line and FP actually couldn't work during busy times. It would be impossible to fit everyone in within the hour "return window"

 

[dadddio]

Tiki room anyone?

This all boils down to what caliber of fastpass would still be available same day in the park. That is something we won't know until this gets under way.

If you had a FP for BTMRR and it broke down, and you could pop on and just pick one up for Space Mountain, then great. I'm happy. But this is going to depend on how many headliner attraction fps they hold back for same day, and it will also GREATLY depend on how the "awesomenss tiering" is set up. If they only let you replace it with something else in the same "awesomeness tier" as BTMRR and you already had used a FP for that one for the day, then the only replacements could be the Tiki room and Philharmagic.

The tiering of rides for FP distribution could turn out to be the biggest change in all of this.

Alternatively, 'tiering' could be just another forum rumor. The concept of tiering does run specifically against what the company has stated about FP+, after all.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

I wonder if Mickey will come to their room and drag them out of bed to make sure they don't miss their assigned times......

This would be fantastic! I'd so choose this if it were a FP+ selection!

 

[Disney_Princess83]

Alternatively, 'tiering' could be just another forum rumor. The concept of tiering does run specifically against what the company has stated about FP+, after all.

But it hasn't run against what Disney was doing during the testing phase of FP+. We don't actually know if it will be anything like the tests but that was what created the rumour. The testing period was tiered, you could only select certain attractions together.

 

[dadddio]

And what was keeping them from using it?

This is what amuses most about this. They are willing to change up the entire program to try to MAKE people use a system that was already really easy to use. And I suppose when those people don't get online and schedule their fastpasses under FP+, Disney will assign them some "quick picks".

They're going to have fun whether they like it or not!

I wonder if Mickey will come to their room and drag them out of bed to make sure they don't miss their assigned times......

We can discuss this topic rationally, if you wish. I won't be wading through buckets and buckets of hyperbole, however.

 

[dadddio]

Just putting it out there but if every guest used FP, there would be no standby line and FP actually couldn't work during busy times. It would be impossible to fit everyone in within the hour "return window"

That would be true only if they gave out an unlimited number of FP assignments for any given return window.

 

[sethschroeder]

After reading quite a few things on this:

People seemed to have been way to spoiled in the past with getting a fast pass and using it any time... Personally I think the new thought of the fast pass when going down for the first time would be great (won't be out by july though for us).

When planning a trip to WDW it can be a lot to take on. I like the thought of being able to schedule a couple fast pass+ a week or few weeks out. I also like knowing that when I go in the Fast Pass line at 8pm there can't be everyone from 7pm/6pm/5pm/4pm/3pm all deciding to show up at the same exact time.

If you have a sit down at 1pm instead of allowing 1 1/2 or 2 hours allow 2 1/2 hours then if it takes you that long sometimes. From my understanding you will be able to pick exactly when you want to go and if not with your cell phone you can just keep checking until the fast pass plus for your time comes around and then grab the tickets.

 

[texhanddoc]

We don't use FP anymore for this very reason. Watching a clock until our FP time opened up is (for us) a nightmare. We can't go too far in case we get held up on a ride, we can't grab counter service in case we get caught up in a long time, we can't get in line for anything in "case" we get held up. Looks like we'll be skipping FP+ too.

This was what I was thinking a couple pages ago when people were discussing FP utilization. Those that currently don't choose to use FP are likely not going to be swayed to start by FP+. I don't think there is enough change in the system to get these people to start using it.

As far as $$ buying access and more FP+: In my opinion it is a foregone conclusion that this is where this is headed eventually. There is too much money to be had by Disney in this. What percentage of deluxe or concierge guests would pay a little more to get more FP+? If Disney said: available for deluxe or concierge guests only, a $100 charge to increase your FP+ to 5 or 6. I would venture most if not all would do that. In addition, there are probably not an insignificant amount of guests that would choose deluxe over moderate just for that reason. I, as one, would certainly pay more, as I do it at US/IoA. Money buying access is not a Disney idea. Its as old and established as any fee for service.

Remember, Disney exists to MAKE MONEY. If they believe they can make more money by doing something (within reason) they will do it. I feel like pay for access is something they will eventually get into.

 

[CuteAsMinnie]

Even know Universal may only have two parks, if you stay on property, you never wait in line for anything except HP and that Rock and Roll Coaster.

Deluxe hotel guests, and concierge guests should be getting that perk at Disney.

The GF holiday/Spring Break concierge is over $900 night. When we first started staying there in 2001, it was $250 night. And there was some sort of unlimited FP option if you bought through AAA.

Disney is overcomplicating this.

Perhaps they are not; they haven't said much of anything yet.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

That would be true only if they gave out an unlimited number of FP assignments for any given return window.

No, it wouldn't work simply because there would be too many people in the park to be able to sustain a constant FP+ line, especially with the headliners. It would have to assume the ride could run to full capacity all day, which it generally can't.

 

[mom2rtk]

Alternatively, 'tiering' could be just another forum rumor. The concept of tiering does run specifically against what the company has stated about FP+, after all.

But people didn't just pull that out of the sky. That's how it has been tested for YEARS. Before acutal FP+ testing, they tested it out with the birthday promotion and the "give a day" promotion.

I actually believe the tiering is a critical piece of making this work. It's their way of rationing rides. Since it's all wrapped up in a magical band, people will swallow it in huge numbers without complaint. If they had merely rolled out a limitation of Fps distributed (only 2 headliners per day or 1 per ride) on the current system, the outcry would be even greater. The rationing will free up more "FP currency" to bestow upon people through "suprprise and delight" opportunities, or perhaps as enticement to stay onsite.

I'd LOVE to see the new system roll out with no tiering. But I'd be shocked as heck too.

This would be fantastic! I'd so choose this if it were a FP+ selection!

LOL, sorry but they'll probably label this a "signature fastpass" and require 2 slots for it.....

 

[Disney_Princess83]

This was what I was thinking a couple pages ago when people were discussing FP utilization. Those that currently don't choose to use FP are likely not going to be swayed to start by FP+. I don't think there is enough change in the system to get these people to start using it..

We won't be using FP+ because when we are on vacation, the last thing we want to do it watch a clock. We only make reservations because we are picky eaters but never more than once a day. I generally run by a timetable in my everyday life so the last thing I want to do at Disney World is to be stressing out over missing out window to Soarin'

 

[PolyAddict]

There is no set date for it to roll out?

If not, am I safe April 22-26, or should I start reading up on it?

After this trip we won't be back until next Summer and thought I would have time to educate myself on it.

Thanks so much,

 

[mom2rtk]

Remember, Disney exists to MAKE MONEY. If they believe they can make more money by doing something (within reason) they will do it. I feel like pay for access is something they will eventually get into.

...... but first they need to stop giving it away for "free". Which is why all the downgrades to the current system first. (No more late FPs, tiering, max of 3 per park, only one park per day).

 

[mom2rtk]

There is no set date for it to roll out?

No.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

There is no set date for it to roll out?

If not, am I safe April 22-26, or should I start reading up on it?

After this trip we won't be back until next Summer and thought I would have time to educate myself on it.

Thanks so much,

There is no set date and it unlikely it will be rolled out during April

 

[dadddio]

No, it wouldn't work simply because there would be too many people in the park to be able to sustain a constant FP+ line, especially with the headliners. It would have to assume the ride could run to full capacity all day, which it generally can't.

As long as the number of FPs scheduled remained below the ride's capacity, it would work a treat. In fact, if capacity was a given, all rides could be scheduled with shorter windows and here would be no need for a SB line.

The two problems with doing away with SB are that capacity cannot be forecasted perfectly and the standby windows are too large. Therefore, they have to schedule less FPs than capacity and use SB for filler.

 

[TLSnell1981]

That doesn't actually change the PP's point.

The ability of 'superusers' to take full advantage only exists because a huge percentage of guests don't utilize FP.

What is a "superuser"?