More DVC resorts better?

[Dtw002]

Originally saw the DVC at the Caribbean expansion as a good thing, it gives you more options. But maybe it's not because it will add 1000s more people at the 7mo timeline. Curious what everyone else thinks?

 

[miTnosnhoJ]

The more the merrier. Also gives some more 7 month options.
Besides, Disney has not announced it yet. No sense worrying about an unknown something that Disney may or may not do in the future.

 

[Dean]

Originally saw the DVC at the Caribbean expansion as a good thing, it gives you more options. But maybe it's not because it will add 1000s more people at the 7mo timeline. Curious what everyone else thinks?

We don't know all the details or even if the resort will happen or be DVC. However, if it does and assuming it has a demand in the range of OKW/SSR, the opinion of good or bad depends on where you're standing. If one is actively trying for higher demand resorts at 7 months out, it's a bad thing. If one just wants to go and get something, it'll be a good thing. IF one wants lower cost dues long term I suspect it'll be one of the cheaper ones. For me personally it'll be a great thing because almost all of our stays are by exchanges in through RCI. It'll likely be another SSR dumping a boatload of points into the 7 month window and it will be additive to everything else.

 

[LAX]

I think it really depends on how desirable the new DVC (whatever it maybe) becomes. If it's the next "hot" property, then it's good for existing members since it would add an attractive option (assuming there is still availability at 7 months) to the system. If it's a "moderate" resort disguised as "deluxe", then it would be bad as those owners will likely try to take advantage of the lower "costs" & always try to roll the dice for the "nicer" resorts at 7 months. That will certainly make 7 month reservations that much more difficult.

LAX

 

[Dean]

I think it really depends on how desirable the new DVC (whatever it maybe) becomes. If it's the next "hot" property, then it's good for existing members since it would add an attractive option (assuming there is still availability at 7 months) to the system. If it's a "moderate" resort disguised as "deluxe", then it would be bad as those owners will likely try to take advantage of the lower "costs" & always try to roll the dice for the "nicer" resorts at 7 months. That will certainly make 7 month reservations that much more difficult.

LAX

For it to not make the 7 month window worse it'll have to have a demand at least that of BWV, BCV & BRV. The reverse is not true, if it had a demand equal or above VGF, it wouldn't help the 7 month window enough to matter because those who wanted there would buy there for the most part and not trade out.

 

[disneynutz]

More resorts have been opened, more owners have been added, renting activity has increased, inventory availability is less today than yesterday is all I know.

Bill

 

[MrInfinity]

For it to not make the 7 month window worse it'll have to have a demand at least that of BWV, BCV & BRV. The reverse is not true, if it had a demand equal or above VGF, it wouldn't help the 7 month window enough to matter because those who wanted there would buy there for the most part and not trade out.

It will not get to the levels of BWV, BCV, BRV. The only way to bring CBR up to those levels would be to implement that walking path / canal that everyone loves to dream about. It comes down to access. If it can access a park, it'll go into the desirability bucket of the resorts that have similar access. If not, it will go into the SSR/OKW bucket of 7-month dash.

Right off it already has the drawback of not having boat-access to DS. So it would need a pretty awesome pool, restaurant, or some other feature just to get it up to SSR/OKW in terms of having access to something.

 

[Granny]

I think any new DVC resort is a good thing. As long as they keep building and selling new DVC resorts, I think they'll keep our perks going to help the sales personnel. Once they quit selling new resorts, I anticipate many of our perks disappearing.

 

[Dean]

It will not get to the levels of BWV, BCV, BRV. The only way to bring CBR up to those levels would be to implement that walking path / canal that everyone loves to dream about. It comes down to access. If it can access a park, it'll go into the desirability bucket of the resorts that have similar access. If not, it will go into the SSR/OKW bucket of 7-month dash.

Right off it already has the drawback of not having boat-access to DS. So it would need a pretty awesome pool, restaurant, or some other feature just to get it up to SSR/OKW in terms of having access to something.

Personally I don't think there's anything realistic they can do that will bring demand to that level. I don't think direct access to DHS, EPCOT and a SAB level pool would do it. It'd take points low enough, BELOW OKW, to come close or it'd take OKW level and multiple other options in addition to it being done well. Now if they can come up with a unique and desirable room option that conserves points, maybe. But my point was unless it truly exceeds the average, it'll make the 7 month window worse. The other point is there isn't anything they could do that would help the 7 month window. For it to impact the 7 month window it'd have to have a demand at or above VGF and be a large resort both.

 

[MrInfinity]

I think they could... I don't think they will, but I think they could. Pirates theme is currently underutilized at WDW. So you put in the path to Epcot (and enforce CBR/VCB only, not walkers from AoA, Pop, or Bonnet)... You theme it to POTC. Have the Pirates characters do M&G's. New POTC movie is just coming out so it's current. You just need a concept that will make it a target destination and not another last resort. If this was done up to POTC we would have stayed there many times on purpose. The pool is themed to the Black Pearl and the water slide simulates a tentacle of the Kraken. You have a pirate section of the pool and a mermaid section of the pool. Or Pirate rooms and Mermaid rooms. Have a restaurant similar to the Blue Bayou (outside in) that looks out over the lake, pool or Epcot fireworks. You have a bar similar to Trader Sams that looks like you're sitting in the captains quarters of a ship. The possibilities are there. Just depends what they intend.

 

[Dean]

I think they could... I don't think they will, but I think they could. Pirates theme is currently underutilized at WDW. So you put in the path to Epcot (and enforce CBR/VCB only, not walkers from AoA, Pop, or Bonnet)... You theme it to POTC. Have the Pirates characters do M&G's. New POTC movie is just coming out so it's current. You just need a concept that will make it a target destination and not another last resort. If this was done up to POTC we would have stayed there many times on purpose. The pool is themed to the Black Pearl and the water slide simulates a tentacle of the Kraken. You have a pirate section of the pool and a mermaid section of the pool. Or Pirate rooms and Mermaid rooms. Have a restaurant similar to the Blue Bayou (outside in) that looks out over the lake, pool or Epcot fireworks. You have a bar similar to Trader Sams that looks like you're sitting in the captains quarters of a ship. The possibilities are there. Just depends what they intend.

No doubt they could, I just think it'd take a lot which means lots of money and reduced profit. That means they won't for such a project. Reality suggests if they thought they had to do those type of things required to put at up to the upper group, they wouldn't do it at all.

 

[crisi]

Since we book our home resort eleven months out and stay there, it really doesn't make any difference to me if they open more resorts. So I think its neutral.

 

[jimmytammy]

When we 1st purchased DVC, there were only 3 on site properties. I was against the thought of DVC growing to the vast properties we see today, and continue to see. Now, I feel differently about it. I like the idea of having numerous places to choose from, even those outside WDW. Good example, I was dead set against staying at BLT. But once my DW convinced me, I love it.
I don't see it as a bad thing. CB doesn't appeal to me, of the mods, I would prefer to see Coronado or PO get a DVC over CB.

 

[ckb_nc]

Or they make it low - meaning the points to stay are lower than even OKW.

Or a preferred entrance to EPCOT by Italy with an overpass from the resort with restricted access. One of the really nice advantages of Grand California is the DCA entrance.

And a path to HS.

A big exclusive pool like Stormalong

 

[Sean91]

I think really the point cost will need to be lower than OKW just to sell it, I could see this easily having an initial rush until the novelty wears off then it dying a death.

EDIT: Unless some of the benefits mentioned above are incorporated (IE: Amazing pool/separate entrance to EPCOT)

 

[LAX]

No doubt they could, I just think it'd take a lot which means lots of money and reduced profit. That means they won't for such a project. Reality suggests if they thought they had to do those type of things required to put at up to the upper group, they wouldn't do it at all.

It sounds like DVC's current strategy is to build the lowest cost property possible (ie: minimal amenities, "cheap" materials, etc.) and try to "sell" it solely on the "Disney" brand. I don't know how much it would cost to add direct access to Epcot/HS, but it will likely sell much better/easier if that's one of the main draws of the new DVC property.

LAX

 

[Dean]

It sounds like DVC's current strategy is to build the lowest cost property possible (ie: minimal amenities, "cheap" materials, etc.) and try to "sell" it solely on the "Disney" brand. I don't know how much it would cost to add direct access to Epcot/HS, but it will likely sell much better/easier if that's one of the main draws of the new DVC property.

LAX

While I think they could do better in some areas and I know there have beens some material constructions issues, I don't see it as an ominous situation. I think there are a lot of things they could do along the lines being discussed here that would affect a small group here or there and if they did a number of things, I'm sure it'd help sales somewhat. However those things for the most part are likely unreasonable in this situation and they cost money, lots of it, for the most part. Other than ? BLT, I don't think they're construction/materials have been too much of an issue. I know some think they are dumbing down the theming in some of the renovations. I'm sure they'll do some reasonable things but not over the top and maybe they'll have some options that are appealing like a very nice pool or unique room types.

I just disagree with the premise that it'll be overly hard to sell at that location as a general DVC resort without something extra, I'm assuming it'll have a lot of similarities to the existing resorts with SSR being my mental focus for comparison. Some resorts are harder to sell than others but if it's DVC selling it, there will be buyers. I suspect it'll be just like SSR where that was all they were selling for much of the time and they'll use the other resorts to sell it. It is similar to SSR & OKW as a DVC resort (assuming) in a moderate location. There are LOTS of things they can do to prop up sales if needed that would likely be as effective as some of those being discussed here and likely much cheaper in the long run. They can easily pull in more tours if they try and they can increase sales pressure somewhat without abandoning professionalism. Bonuses and discounts are also effective.