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I was wondering as a mom of 3 DDs are we sending our girls the wrong message with stories of the Disney princesses? I love Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and all the princesses. Actually my girls probably only like them as much as they do because of me. :blush: And I never really thought about it much before as anything other than a romantic fairytale. But with only a few exceptions (like Mulan) most of the princesses are just sort of hoping that "someday my Prince will come". Is that a bad message? Of course it won't make me stop liking them I was just curious what other moms thought? princess:
 
IMHO I don't think it teaches girls that they should wait for a man to come "save" them..I never thought of it that way when I was a little girl..we are older so we read more into it. I think little girls are drawn to the princesses because they want to be one too. They want to feel pretty, play dress up pretty gowns, & wear sparkly tiaras & jewelry..it's all dazzling to them..I don't think they really think about the "helpless" aspect of Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty or Snow White. Belle, Mulan, & Pocahontas offer characters with a more "modern" attitude which is great. Don't worry, let your little girls enjoy the princesses while you can...my almost 10 year old dd isn't "in" to the princesses anymore :sad1:
 
mommaU4 said:
I was wondering as a mom of 3 DDs are we sending our girls the wrong message with stories of the Disney princesses? I love Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and all the princesses. Actually my girls probably only like them as much as they do because of me. :blush: And I never really thought about it much before as anything other than a romantic fairytale. But with only a few exceptions (like Mulan) most of the princesses are just sort of hoping that "someday my Prince will come". Is that a bad message? Of course it won't make me stop liking them I was just curious what other moms thought? princess:

Not mom here, but with 2 little girls.

IMHO, I don't think there is any harm. They are our modern day fairy tales and "mythology" - as kids get older they will grow out of them. Just like you don't find many adults raised on fairy tales sitting around waiting for Santa to bring them gifts, Easter Bunny to bring them college tuition under the pillows, and chasing after the leprechuns at the end of the rainbows, I don't think you'll find many Disney-raised adults sitting around waiting for that prince/princess.

Don't try to analyze childhood too much :) Kids are stronger than we make them out to be.
 
I wouldn't worry about it. My princess princess: will ONLY wear dresses. Demands that I allow her to wear dress shoes and MUST have her hair done just so...like the princesses. She will tell you quite bluntly that SHE is a princess (when we went in April, she told my father that she had to go on stage during Cinderellabration...when my dad said only the princesses could be on stage she said "PaPa...(dramatic pause)...look at me...(another dramatic pause and a hand sweep)...I AM a princess!)

Anyway, my girly girl princess who has watched Cinderella about a million times and only wears dresses has absolutely NO problem punching the little boys in her class in the nose if they get aggressive and rules her classroom with an iron fist. She just makes sure she doesn't muss her dress in the process. I can't imagine her waiting for any prince!
 

I think my DD8 knows the difference between the fantasy and the reality. She sees the reality every day but has fun indulging in the fantasy right now which is fine by me. We enjoy all of the Disney characters and I think both my DD and my DS8 realize it's just for fun. :goodvibes
 
My DD, who is 7, thinks the Princesses aren't very interesting. The only thing she really admires about them is their wardrobe! We were talking about the Princesses one day, and she told me, "You know Mom, those Princesses are kinda boring- all they do is wait for some GUY to rescue them!". She is wise beyond her years!

My little Princess likes Stitch, Robin Hood, and Harry Potter- she likes the action guys much more than the Princesses.
 
My dd who is 8, soon to be 9, was totally taken by the princesses ! I thought she was sort of over them, she hadn't talked about them or asked to be one for Halloween, etc. So I thought we had moved past this stage ----WRONG!!! The minute she shook Cinderella's gloved hand it was all over! Snow White gave her extra attention when her shift ended in Toontown, and Belle kissed her on her head (which she didn't want to wash that night!) I thought I know I have a rather grounded daughter, but she has bought this hook line and sinker!!!LOL Now I must say we saw Belle twice for story hour trying to get a photo and the second one was not the same as the first, and she caught it right off - "that's not the same actress" she said! I asked if that would be a problem and she said "No, it's still Belle!" So who knows, they catch the excitement and the moment and fall into the fantasy! Let them I say, wouldn't it be nice if we could all do that for a while! Oh, yes she is being Belle for Halloween now!!! ;)
 
I've thought about this before as one of my friends is a youth group leader for a Sr. High youth group and we had this conversation in regard to how HS girls act about boys and only being "worth" something if they are pretty, popular and have a boyfriend. So I began thinking very seriously about this as well - this is what I came up with.

My girls are most definitely into the whole Disney Princess thing and I'm all for it. However, I ALWAYS make a point to tell my oldest (4 1/2) about the brave things they do and how smart they are for waiting for who is perfect for them.

Of course Mulan is quite a hero. She is a fav. So courageous and willing to do anything to save her family, but in thinking very in depth about this I have discover strengths in the princesses I hadn't noticed before and now point out to my girls. Without going too in depth, I will try to explain what I mean. Of course, when talking to my girls I don't go into this much depth and use much easier terminology and thoughts.

Yes, Cinderella is waiting on her prince. But in waiting, she also serves others (even though they are mean to her) with a patient heart and goes about her work determined and working hard. That is why she is rewarded by her prince. She deserved what she worked hard for.

Belle - she is very courageous in and of herself. She isn't afraid to speak up to the Beast in order to save her father which shows she is very giving and unselfish. She is also able to look deeper than skin and falls in love with the beast before she even has any idea how he looks as a human. She loves him for who he is.

Jasmine - It gets a little more difficult here, but she stands firm in her belief that she needs to marry for true love. She knows it isn't right to marry someone simply BECAUSE they are a prince. Once again, she is interested in Aladdin before he even "becomes" a prince.

Snow White - Ok, so she's a little bit cheesy sometimes in the movie if I'm honest and she is definitely not my girls' favorite but she is willing to take care of the seven dwarfs and take care of them as if they are her children. After the initial song in the beginning, she doesn't even mention waiting for a prince again until he comes and kisses her.

Ariel - Again, this is a little tougher because Ariel does base most everything on Prince Eric. I think the one thing I would stress here is that he father loves her so much that he is willing in the end to let her go in order to make her happy. (Not that I agree, as a parent, with her disobedience in the first place! :rotfl: )

Ok, didn't mean to go so long and I hope I made sense. I guess my point is that we try to pull the good out of the princess movies and work them into lessons learned. I mean, all of our girls ARE princesses right? With such low self-esteem so many young ladies have these days, if we stress how special they are and how they need to wait on someone that RESPECTS them for who they are and not what they look like, the princesses can indeed become a great learning tool just like everything in this world...just depends on which angle you go with.

sorry so long...
 
Don't try to analyze childhood too much Kids are stronger than we make them out to be.

ITA

I also don't think it is harmful. Kids will always look more how their parents or elders around them act as their guide. If kids are looking more at princesses as how to really behave, then well - they need some more family loving.

As far as my dd4 is concern - she rather be Peter Pan with her costume's foam knife and attack the pretend Hook and pirates that wonder around my house :rotfl: Sometimes I wish she would be a dainty princess. :rotfl2: Oh, and yes she is going as Peter Pan for Halloween this year - she idolizes him!! At least she was Minnie :earsgirl: last year.
 
I've had some of the same worries... So we just push the more modern princesses a little.. We're huge Belle and Mulan fans over here. :) DD does have a special affection for Sleeping Beauty, but only because of the pink dress. :rolleyes:

The only princess we really have a problem with is Ariel, though.. I just don't like the fact that she's rewarded for disobeying her father (over a boy, nonetheless) and HE ends up being half repentant about the whole thing.. Pocahontas has a little of this going as well, but doesn't bug me as much.. and when Mulan and Belle disobey it's to save their stubborn Dads, so I can deal with that.. Just don't like Ariel, which is too bad 'cause I LOVE Scuttle. :)
 
I don't think Cinderella is really waiting for a 'prince' necessarily. I think she is just dreaming every day of something better waiting out there for her. She wants to find a true love and leave the house where she is a servant. She tries to make her own dress and get her chores done in an attempt to make her dream come true. She lives each day thinking it could be better than the last. That is what I see in Cinderella. I think it is a great story.
Aurora doesn't want a 'prince' either. She just says that she has dreamed about her true love and is looking forward to the day she finds him. She doesn't even want the prince at first. She still thinks Phillip is the boy from the forest.
I grew up on these movies and it irks me a little to hear that some people think they are a 'bad influence' or are not good for their daughters. I think that it is good to have a role model as a child and they will grow up and things will change. Let them enjoy being young and trust that they will make the right decisions when they are older.
 
IMO, not a problem unless princess role models are all they get... and that's certainly not the case even with Disney these days.

My DD, now 7, mildly likes all the princesses but has only ever identified with/wanted to be Jasmine, Mulan, or Nala (Lion King... do non-human princesses count?). Her favorite princess of all time is Buttercup from The Princess Bride, a most un-princessy princess who rescues her guy right back when he's in trouble and gets to wisecrack in between gazing adoringly into the guy's eyes and mooing about true love.


About Ariel disobeying her dad... What her dad learns is not that his safety warning was wrong, but that his prejudice against humans (ie, those who are different) was wrong. So that's a positive message... don't close your mind against other cultures and ethnic groups. I think it's good for girls to see parents who can open their minds and learn. Now can you enjoy the story with a clear conscience? :wizard:

Here's to the princesses. What would we do without them?
 
mommaU4 said:
I was wondering as a mom of 3 DDs are we sending our girls the wrong message with stories of the Disney princesses? I love Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and all the princesses. Actually my girls probably only like them as much as they do because of me. :blush: And I never really thought about it much before as anything other than a romantic fairytale. But with only a few exceptions (like Mulan) most of the princesses are just sort of hoping that "someday my Prince will come". Is that a bad message? Of course it won't make me stop liking them I was just curious what other moms thought? princess:


No dd here, but the one that has always bothered me the most is Beauty and the Beast. I like the story, of course, but IMO the underlying message...that you can give an abusive man a second chance and somehow train him to be charming and sweet...is horrible. JMO. My son will not be allowed to watch any Disney movies until he is old enough to understand my running commentary. :rotfl:
 
Tommygirl79,

Please don't apologize for the length of your post. It was an EXCELLENT post and helped me tremendously in putting this whole line of thought into better perspective. Thanks.
 
My DD is now 16 and grew up on Disney princesses her whole life. Her favorite has always been Ariel. Anyway, I think that Your DD is FAR more influenced by you than by a cartoon princess. If you are living a life of self-confidence and strength and independence then your DD will grow up to emulate you. My DD grew up watching me have my own opinions and ability to make decisions independent of my DH, and watching my DH treat me with respect. It is plain to us that she will tolerate no less for herself.

I recommend that you ENJOY the princesses, and set an example in yourself that your DD will take out into the real world and apply in her own life.
 
I also don't think it is harmful. Kids will always look more how their parents or elders around them act as their guide. If kids are looking more at princesses as how to really behave, then well - they need some more family loving.

As the mother of two "grown" children, (boys but children, they had unrealistic heros too, Luke Skywalker, etc!!!), I couldn't agree more with this statement. My children unbelievably act, believe and make decisions based MUCH more on OUR actions and beliefs as parents, than the "heroes" they worshiped and pretended they were when little. They definitely don't think, "What would Luke do right now!" More often it's, "I'll call Dad or Mom or what would THEY do." Believe me, I GET the phone calls!!! (Which of course I'm delighted with and honored that they still look to us!!!) :goodvibes )

Let them believe in the magic, the wonder, the simple joys of childhood. That's what it should be. Unless some magical beam carries them into adulthood, they will act more like you and marry someone more like your husband, than act like Cinderella and marry Prince Charming!!!
 
I might suggest adding another perspective on princesses with a fun book by Robert Munsch called "Paper Bag Princess". My dd loves all the Disney princesses and she loved this book, too.

You can find it on Amazon.

Carol
 
I think the newer princess movies are showing stronger princesses. Like you said Mulan which happens to be my dd's favorite. Also pocahontas, bell, ariel, and melody all have very strong willed personalities even if they do end up with a man in the end in most of them. I've found my prince but I still run the roost around my house. :rotfl: As long as girls aren't learning to give up all there hopes and dreams to satisfy those of there man I think it's all good.
 
This thread reminds me of my senior AP english teacher. She got divorced the year before we had her and was really, really bitter about it. (I'm not saying she shouldn't have been - we knew nothing about the situation except that she hated her ex). Anyway, she had a little girl who was about 6 I think, and loved Snow White. She hired one of my friends who was a very talented artist to paint the story of Snow White as a mural all around the little girl's room. However - she insisted that Kacey not paint the last scene with Snow White and the Prince on a white horse because as she told our whole class "that part is obviously bull (I can't post the rest on the dis)." :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I have never forgotten that!
 
My DD4 is completely into the princesses. Since she likes them so much, I enrolled her in the Scholastic Disney Princess bookclub...with no real intention of passing on any lessons, I just thought she would like the stories. However, these books are really good and demonstrate all the positive qualities the princesses possess besides just getting good-looking princes. The overall theme to the series is "A True Princess Shines From Within," and the books deal with qualities like forgiveness, determination, patience, sharing, etc. I've really been pleased with the books and DD loves them...especially when the package arrives in the mail each month. So if you're concerned about what message you're sending your young DD, then I recommend this series. You can enroll on the Scholastic website.

The one odd thing is that in all the Cinderella-centered books, she is married to the prince and living at the castle but she is still wearing her housecleaning clothes :confused3
 














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