Mom on Trial - Leaves child in Car for minutes

NO, she is NOT a great parent, she is a neglectful one. I don't care if her child was sleeping, bad weather outside, you don't abandon your child, even for a moment. What was she thinking? She wasn't! That child could have been taken, a car hit that car. This makes me furious.
Kathee

Goodness gracious. I go more that 10 feet from my car with all three of my kids in it to return my shopping cart. Not to turn this into a to return or not to return debate, but really. When I had a baby and a toddler who refused to walk in the snow if any was on the ground there really wasn't a way to return the cart and then get the kids in the car. And when it's -20 outside, I am not going to. Couldn't shop without them because DH traveled for work and would be gone a couple of weeks at a time. :confused3
 
I'm sorry...but as a parent...you are the one that decides WHEN to do things like donate money. If the kid whines...too bad! You're the parent. Don't give into the whining. Couldn't she have donated the money with the older children at a later time when her husband had the little one? I still don't' understand how it could be so important to do it at that time...whining or no whining.

What does me having children have to do with anything? I can have opinions on this stuff without having children. I have nieces and nephews that I've watched. I've worked with many children...in a daycare setting and with adolescents in a group home. And I have a degree is SOCIAL WORK. So yeah....I have some strong opinions on this stuff.

Well, I will tell you that WHEN I became a parent, I learned about this thing called personalities. They come with hopes and attitudes like excitement too. I personally doubt that the mom gave into whining and am betting it was much more like the older ones were so excited and proud of the money the collected for others that it was really important to them to finish up the task. And for the record, I taught and directed daycare centers before I had my own kids and it is not close to the same thing. Not saying you can't have an opinion or that the opinion could shed light on certain things. However, your condescending attitude is going to bite you in the butt if you ever do have kids.
 
I deleted an inappropriately rude and attacking post in this thread.

Then I deleted a number of posts that quoted that attacking post.

Here's my public service announcement: Please don't quote a clearly problematic post, because that means that YOUR post now contains the objectionable material and will probably be deleted. It also creates extra work for the moderator who's trying to keep the forums friendly and appropriate. :)

Announcement over- back to the topic! :surfweb:
 
Wow...this thread really took on a life of it's own. Of course, I shouldn't be surprised. It is about parenting.

People keep harping on the same point, here, but refuse to acknowledge a few facts that might change the whole situation.

First all let's look at why she got arrested in the first place. I mentioned this already but nobody seems to want to talk about. To me, it's an important part of this situation. Her arrest had less to do with neglect and more to do with how she reacted to the police officer.

From http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080313/NEWS07/80313047/1009

Sulikowski said that while police were obligated to report the case to the state's child welfare agency, Coyne would not have been arrested had she cooperated and not refused to give them basic information, including the child's name.

"By not providing us with that information and the information of her child, at that point we don't know that that child is hers. We don't know if that child has been listed as a kidnapped child or a missing child," he said. "Absolutely, she forced this."

Also, she was inattentive. It's one thing to be standing 30 feet from your car and watching it constantly. It's another thing to be standing 30 feet from your car and not notice a police officer coming over and peeking in the windows of your car, where your sleeping child sits.

And the last point is that this woman was completely unaware of the laws. It amazes me how many people have no idea what the law actually says. So then when they break it, they try to plead ignorance. Well, that doesn't work. Step up and take responsibility. If she had done that, I'm sure she would have simply received a warning.

So, let's stop beating the dead horse that doesn't even pertain to this case, and discuss the actual facts.

Now as for the narrowly-related tangents:

why isn't it? people break into cars, people break in to houses, kids can get out of cars, they can get out of houses, why is it not the same?? :confused3
cars can catch on fire, so can houses, hell I went on to my roof a a kid (13) and FELL off breaking both arms. I think I would have been safer locked sleeping in a car that day. :headache:

I don't know if you're aware, but most people's houses cannot be driven away.

Please report back once you have a kid, or two.

Aw, yes, the stereotypical but-you-don't-have-kids-so-you-can't-have-an-opinion argument. (Or as I like to call it the BYDHKSYCHAO Argument.) So, what about the parents who obviously do have kids (hence being called "parents") who happen to agree with those who don't have kids. Is their opinion not valid? The point is, there are two very valid yet different points of view on this argument and their are parents on either side. So, the "no kids" attack is really just a straw horse.

I think generally people will welcome an opinion of someone without kids.

:rotfl2: :rotfl: :laughing: Oh c'mon. We all know that that's not exactly true on the DIS. Any time a person without kids dares to share their opinion on any matter remotely involving kids, the soccer mom squad comes out with their collective "mom look" in full force.
 

Aw, yes, the stereotypical but-you-don't-have-kids-so-you-can't-have-an-opinion argument. (Or as I like to call it the BYDHKSYCHAO Argument.) So, what about the parents who obviously do have kids (hence being called "parents") who happen to agree with those who don't have kids. Is their opinion not valid? The point is, there are two very valid yet different points of view on this argument and their are parents on either side. So, the "no kids" attack is really just a straw horse.



:rotfl2: :rotfl: :laughing: Oh c'mon. We all know that that's not exactly true on the DIS. Any time a person without kids dares to share their opinion on any matter remotely involving kids, the soccer mom squad comes out with their collective "mom look" in full force.

Soccer mom, here:thumbsup2 And on parenting threads, no, I don't consider the opinions of those without children - sorry!:rotfl:
 
I don't know if you're aware, but most people's houses cannot be driven away.

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How many times has a child been driven away in a car that was not running and locked, while a parent was standing nearby?

Every single instance I have heard about where a car and child were taken, the person had left the car running and unlocked.
 
Soccer mom, here:thumbsup2 And on parenting threads, no, I don't consider the opinions of those without children - sorry!:rotfl:

That is a little rude, and not something I'd personally laugh at.

Teachers, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters.... they can give a valuable perspective when maybe parents are too close to see things objectively.

Not everyone without kids is completely clueless.

But glad to know my opinions mean so little. Thanks.

I guess maybe I'll come up with a list of things I don't listen to "soccer moms" about. :rolleyes1
 
That is a little rude, and not something I'd personally laugh at.

Teachers, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters.... they can give a valuable perspective when maybe parents are too close to see things objectively.

Not everyone without kids is completely clueless.

But glad to know my opinions mean so little. Thanks.

I guess maybe I'll come up with a list of things I don't listen to "soccer moms" about. :rolleyes1

And don't forget teachers! According to the PP, childless teachers shouldn't have an opinion about children either. Should childless adults even be allowed to be teachers, according to the PP?
 
Just read that charges were dropped.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23615083/?GT=43001

Charges dropped for mom who left tot in car
Child endangerment case stirred outrage, but police stand by the arrest
Image: Treffly Coyne
AP
Treffly Coyne, of Tinley Park, Ill., 36, was charged with misdemeanor child endangerment and obstruction of justice charges, but charges were dropped.


Charges will be dropped against a woman who briefly left her 2-year-old daughter alone in the car to take her two older daughters to pour coins into a Salvation Army kettle, prosecutors said Thursday.

The woman, Treffly Coyne, was charged with misdemeanor child endangerment and obstructing a peace officer after a Crestwood police officer spotted her sleeping daughter alone in the vehicle Dec. 8. The mother claimed she was close by at all times and was gone for just minutes.

Coyne’s trial was supposed to begin Thursday, but prosecutors could not meet the burden of proof and decided to drop the charges, Cook County State’s Attorney spokesman John Gorman said.
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Her husband reacted with relief and anger. If convicted, his wife faced up to a year in jail and a fine of $2,500.

“We shouldn’t have had to fight this long and this hard when my wife never did anything wrong,” said Timothy Janecyk. The planned dismissal of the charges “only shows they tore my family apart for no reason.”

Coyne, who was arrested in a loading zone near the entrance of a Wal-Mart store, contended 2-year-old Phoebe, who was sleeping, was safe inside the car after she locked it, activated the alarm system and turned on the emergency flashers.

She said she was never more than 30 feet from the vehicle, did not step inside the store and was gone for only minutes. And her attorney said because the car was always in sight, Coyne’s daughter never was unattended.
 
First all let's look at why she got arrested in the first place. I mentioned this already but nobody seems to want to talk about. To me, it's an important part of this situation. Her arrest had less to do with neglect and more to do with how she reacted to the police officer.

The thing is, what I have read states that she was told she was under arrest for child endangerment as soon as she got back to the car. http://www.nbc5.com/family/15499107/detail.html Another article states that it was then that she called her husband who told her to say nothing else. She listened to him because she was afraid.

This article says that she was yelled at as soon as she came back to the car http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-momontrial,0,833520.story

This article states that in Illinois if you leave a child unattended for 10 minutes you can be charged. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-treffly-free_13mar13,0,1355736.story Even if you want to argue that she should not have left her child where she did, she was not gone for 10 minutes.
 
Fine then, for the sake of arguing, how about that she never really left the car unattended?

Obviously the prosecutors in this case felt there was not enough evidence against her.
 
I'm reading some terrible and shameful responses here.

Unacceptable and unneccessary. I think everybody should take a step back and stop the needless bickering and attacks. I'm reading some very mean spirited and hurtful things here. I noticed this story because I had a similar incident. Parents or not I think we, as adults, can have a mature discussion without resorting to hurtful remarks.

Everybody is intitled to their opinion and nobody deserves to be berated because of theirs.
 
I'm reading some terrible and shameful responses here.
Unacceptable and unneccessary. I think everybody should take a step back and stop the needless bickering and attacks. I'm reading some very mean spirited and hurtful things here. I noticed this story because I had a similar incident. Parents or not I think we, as adults, can have a mature discussion without resorting to hurtful remarks.

Everybody is intitled to their opinion and nobody deserves to be berated because of theirs.

:rotfl:
 
I'm reading some terrible and shameful responses here.

Unacceptable and unneccessary. I think everybody should take a step back and stop the needless bickering and attacks. I'm reading some very mean spirited and hurtful things here. I noticed this story because I had a similar incident. Parents or not I think we, as adults, can have a mature discussion without resorting to hurtful remarks.

Everybody is intitled to their opinion and nobody deserves to be berated because of theirs.

I agree 100% and I hope my posts are not coming across as mean spirited. Maybe some smilies in my posts would help show that I am not intending to come across in a mean way. :)
 
I'm reading some terrible and shameful responses here.

Unacceptable and unneccessary. I think everybody should take a step back and stop the needless bickering and attacks. I'm reading some very mean spirited and hurtful things here. I noticed this story because I had a similar incident. Parents or not I think we, as adults, can have a mature discussion without resorting to hurtful remarks.

Everybody is intitled to their opinion and nobody deserves to be berated because of theirs.

Did you tell that to your wife?
 








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