MM+ never materialized?

[LOL!]

So does anyone have any real examples of the 'PLUS' in MyMagic?????

Yes.

Does that mean you do? Or you think someone else does?

 

[DoingDisney]

You have yet to prove I was wrong. You have yet to prove how the corporation known as Disney has any duty over controlling how you obtain vacation from your employer and how much you are paid by your employer without actually being your employer.

How do THEY limit your checking account. How do
THEY determine you cannot book a 10 day stay?

Which is the point.

We want to blame Disney because their system isn't fair to you. But they had nothing to do with how you booked your vacation. Your post blames your employer.

So discuss it with them?

I don't think you are understanding. It doesn't matter when I book my vacation, or how, or for how long.

Lets assume I don't have a job, so I don't need to book vacation.

There is no way, NONE, you can book a vacation where someone doesn't have a day day advantage on you for booking FPs ... unless you can tell me how, which if you can, please do.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I asked earlier, and I'm still interested to know - how was any fall 2014 guest supposed to know that they'd *need* a 10 day reservation to book certain experiences? There was no history to research, no patterns to be analyzed..there had not been a party season with full FP+ implementation to gain that knowledge from. Sure, now I (and many others on the DIS) are learning from our experience last year and as year 2 comes around and similar patterns are emerging that a longer trip may be required during party season. But we didn't have that knowledge prior to last year's party season. How were those guests supposed to know that they needed more days?

How were they supposed to know? I don't really know. Before anyone say--AHA!!!! I did not book my FP+ until December and had not been otherwise in tune with the goings on at Disney.

But if it was advertised IN ANY WAY, then so be it. 180 +10 has been going on for how long, now? Was there a time where guests could not book length of stay up to 10 days for FP+?

And the +10 consideration seems to really only be needed for A+E so it is otherwise a non issue, IMO. But I was not booking at the time to know if 7DMT had the same issue. We booked FP+ 2 days before our trip. So clearly, I missed the boat because we chose to wait to buy our tickets until we had the time to do so. But even then, I knew that would push us further back "in line" for more popular selections. But the ones we otherwise wanted, we got.

And truth be told--that local thing again--since we CM's go often, I have has success getting what we wanted at 30 days. Except A+E. I have quit checking. But for a while, I was checking often out of curiosity. I will be doing the again for the fall when our Season Passes are out of blackout.

A+E is the modern day CRT when it was hard to get in its heyday. It and BOG are the biggest pains. But the opportunity is there should I ever choose to exercise it. It would require a multi-day on site stay, of course.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't think you are understanding. It doesn't matter when I book my vacation, or how, or for how long.

Lets assume I don't have a job, so I don't need to book vacation.

There is no way, NONE, you can book a vacation where someone doesn't have a day day advantage on you for booking FPs ... unless you can tell me how, which if you can, please do.

10 day for your 10th day. At worst, anyone with 11 or more days (per the limitation) would be looking at the same time as you. Not the day before you.

But that is the extreme example if you are seeking an Anna and Elsa FP.
If you can cite other difficulties with ANY other attraction, I am open to hearing a it them.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Does that mean you do? Or you think someone else does?

I do. I am sure others do as well.

 

[LOL!]

I do. I am sure others do as well.

Could you share? I'd really like to know what they are.

 

[bcrook]

To get back to the OP, Im just not sure that Disney has seen the ROI they were expecting from MM+.

It would be difficult for the public to discern between ROI with MM and the huge price hikes. But I can't see how MM+ is generating any money outside of selling the data or something.

I didn't even receive any targeted advertising or incentive to buy anything based on the magic band and app combo.

I didn't eat in more restaurants

I did not increase my length of stay, nor had any motivation to do that. It's almost as if the interactive component and loyalty card aspect has been disconnected. It's so strange.

There are great loyalty card programs too. For example I love the Landrys Select Card, I now go out of my way to use it, I get little reminders and updates. I feel appreciated.

My Qdoba card is awesome as is my Red Robin card. And I get a lot of bang for my buck with my Hilton Honors card. I really thought Disney might go that direction.

 

[Angel Ariel]

How were they supposed to know? I don't really know. Before anyone say--AHA!!!! I did not book my FP+ until December and had not been otherwise in tune with the goings on at Disney.

But if it was advertised IN ANY WAY, then so be it. 180 +10 has been going on for how long, now? Was there a time where guests could not book length of stay up to 10 days for FP+?

And the +10 consideration seems to really only be needed for A+E so it is otherwise a non issue, IMO. But I was not booking at the time to know if 7DMT had the same issue. We booked FP+ 2 days before our trip. So clearly, I missed the boat because we chose to wait to buy our tickets until we had the time to do so. But even then, I knew that would push us further back "in line" for more popular selections. But the ones we otherwise wanted, we got.

And truth be told--that local thing again--since we CM's go often, I have has success getting what we wanted at 30 days. Except A+E. I have quit checking. But for a while, I was checking often out of curiosity. I will be doing the again for the fall when our Season Passes are out of blackout.

A+E is the modern day CRT when it was hard to get in its heyday. It and BOG are the biggest pains. But the opportunity is there should I ever choose to exercise it. It would require a multi-day on site stay, of course.

The 60 days + length of stay has always been that. A&E didn't have FP+ until April, though, when they moved to MK. SDMT didn't open til May. I booked my trip in March. There was no way for me to know when I booked that trip that a 5 day long trip wouldn't be enough opportunity to get a FP+, as there was literally no FP+ history for either of those at that time.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Could you share? I'd really like to know what they are.

Not to be coy, but I am sure you already know. But the argument continues over semantics and whether it truly is a "plus".

But FP+, the features of MM+NAND its capabilities, and the Magic Band and its capabilities are the plusses.

But it seems folks disagree that those are "plusses".

I am sure more will be added some day.

 

[Angel Ariel]

10 day for your 10th day. At worst, anyone with 11 or more days (per the limitation) would be looking at the same time as you. Not the day before you.

But that is the extreme example if you are seeking an Anna and Elsa FP.
If you can cite other difficulties with ANY other attraction, I am open to hearing a it them.

FOF and Wishes had the same issues as A&E last fall. Wishes may be different this year with the greater capacity FP+ area.

 

[Tarheel girl 1975]

It would be difficult for the public to discern between ROI with MM and the huge price hikes. But I can't see how MM+ is generating any money outside of selling the data or something.

I didn't even receive any targeted advertising or incentive to buy anything based on the magic band and app combo.

I didn't eat in more restaurants

I did not increase my length of stay, nor had any motivation to do that. It's almost as if the interactive component and loyalty card aspect has been disconnected. It's so strange.

There are great loyalty card programs too. For example I love the Landrys Select Card, I now go out if my way to use it, I get little reminders and updates. I feel appreciated.

My Qdoba card is awesome as is my Red Robin card. And I get a lot of bang for my buck with my Hilton Honors card. I really thought Disney might go that direction.

And I think that's what makes it so difficult to quantify. Is it easier to pay with my MB. Sure, but it wasn't hard to pay with my KTTW card either. Attendence at WDW is up, but travel is up too. Revenue is up, but prices went up. Not to mention all of the special event's Disney is offering; Villian's Soiree, Eat to the Beat packages, Epcot After hours, Frozen dessert parties, etc. BUt I don't see MB themselves being a driver of revenue, outside of the special edition MB's.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The 60 days + length of stay has always been that. A&E didn't have FP+ until April, though, when they moved to MK. SDMT didn't open til May. I booked my trip in March. There was no way for me to know when I booked that trip that a 5 day long trip wouldn't be enough opportunity to get a FP+, as there was literally no FP+ history for either of those at that time.

That would be a side effect of something being new. And I don't think it fair to expect any Corporation be able to predict the popularity of something before it is even available. You had no way of knowing. They did not either.

 

[itchin2go]

Not to be coy, but I am sure you already know. But the argument continues over semantics and whether it truly is a "plus".

But FP+, the features of MM+NAND its capabilities, and the Magic Band and its capabilities are the plusses.

But it seems folks disagree that those are "plusses".

I am sure more will be added some day.

Everybody perceives things differently. I perceived that the Magic Band would be the foundation on which the "plusses" would be built. Kind of the conduit for those "plus" experiences.

 

[Angel Ariel]

That would be a side effect of something being new. And I don't think it fair to expect any Corporation be able to predict the popularity of something before it is even available. You had no way of knowing. They did not either.

I wasn't referring to Disney. I was referring to the comments that insinuated that not being able to book FP+ for certain things was in my control, that if I'd just stayed longer, I would have been able to get FP+. Thank you for confirming that I - and everyone else who was there last fall - had no way to know, and therefore no way to plan for, a 5 day long trip not being a long enough trip to be able to prebook those experiences.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Everybody perceives things differently. I perceived that the Magic Band would be the foundation on which the "plusses" would be built. Kind of the conduit for those "plus" experiences.

Yes.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I wasn't referring to Disney. I was referring to the comments that insinuated that not being able to book FP+ for certain things was in my control, that if I'd just stayed longer, I would have been able to get FP+. Thank you for confirming that I - and everyone else who was there last fall - had no way to know, and therefore no way to plan for, a 5 day long trip not being a long enough trip to be able to prebook those experiences.

Fair enough. But I had no way of knowing when you booked your trip. If you mentioned it previously, I did not remember. It would be unfair for me to have told you it was your duty if I had known that. I don't expect you or any guest to be clairvoyant. I do think Disney is owed the same courtesy since they could not tell you when you booked your trip that A+E FP would be difficult to obtain.

 

[Pkltm]

I think the FP+ system could have been created like the legacy system where you logged in on your device on that same day and grabbed your first Fastpass for the day for whatever time you wanted for whatever ride you wanted. Two hours later you could log in and grab your second one for whatever time. Two hours later your third...until they were gone. This way you wouldn't need tiers and it would have made the legacy enthusiasts happy and the late arrivers happy.

I would agree that this would be a great system, however they need to improve their wifi lol!!!!

 

[bcrook]

That would be a side effect of something being new. And I don't think it fair to expect any Corporation be able to predict the popularity of something before it is even available. You had no way of knowing. They did not either.

This type of comment comes up frequently. One would think that a successful corporation like Disney would have a better data collection team, test market system, focus groups so they aren't always surprised by customer demand, lack of app functionality, or building technology that is outdated before implementation. Based on a lot of these comments, the Disney organization looks like they are being run by interns.

 

[bcrook]

I would agree that this would be a great system, however they need to improve their wifi lol!!!!

I never used it, I relied on my phone data plan. So I can't comment on that. Except in the resorts, I had a difficult time keeping my iPad connected.

Better wifi would seem to be a priority! Otherwise my suggestion would drive people even more loco! I know it would me!

 

[Angel Ariel]

Fair enough. But I had no way of knowing when you booked your trip. If you mentioned it previously, I did not remember. It would be unfair for me to have told you it was your duty if I had known that. I don't expect you or any guest to be clairvoyant. I do think Disney is owed the same courtesy since they could not tell you when you booked your trip that A+E FP would be difficult to obtain.

I've said when I booked in this thread a few times. :

As far as Disney is concerned - again, I did not say anything negative about Disney and the lack of availability at 60 days. All I said was that I did not have the same opportunity to get those FP+ as others did. That's not saying "shame on you Disney" or anything of the sort. It is just the fact of what happened with my experience.