MK very crowded tonight, but hey let's close at 11:00

[GPC0321]

I've seen a few posts that seem to defend the OP and chastise those who have disagreed with him. I suggest it isn't WHAT the OP is complaining about, but rather the tone of his posts that has people a little defensive and quick to jump back at him. And the posts noting the "snarky" tone seem to indicate it's those disagreeing with the OP who are being "snarky" when in fact, the title of this thread and the original post:

Complete joke IMO, glad this is last WDW trip with kids.

...are about as snarky as can be. I'm sure the OP fully expected that people would disagree with him, and he seems to almost enjoy it, right down to the back-and-forth with another poster that prompted a moderator to come in, delete the posts, and offer a gentle warning.

So I'll offer the reasons I've been a little miffed by the OP's thread and posts, and it has nothing to do with his opinion on the MK's hours.

First, of course, this indication that anyone disagreeing with him is an "apologist" and the "stay classy" jab...

Disney World apologists and experts are the best.

Y'all stay classy and keep feeding that greedy mouse. This dude is out.

Then more name-calling aimed at those of us who "don't get it" followed by an all-caps statement that I assume is meant to drive home the point.

Apparently neither yourself or the minions who liked your post get it. This isn't my first Disney rodeo, bro.

I ABSOLUTELY EXPECT LONG LINES THIS TIME OF THE YEAR.

And this obvious insult, indicating that those of us who continue to pay to go to WDW are dumb...

No thanks. I am not dumb enough to keep paying premium prices for a product diminishing in value. But you do you, thumbs up.

This post patting himself on the back for having "fans" here with whom he's obviously had run-ins with before...

Clearly you are one of my many fans!

DAH did not occur during our stay.

This post proving that to him it's some sort of competition to be right while proving everyone else wrong....

FWIW my WDW loving friends, Touring Plans predicted a MK level 8 yesterday but real numbers were a 10.

I win!

Another attempt to show that he's right and it's "everyone else" (those who disagree with him) who are the ones with a problem...

Folks, I had a terrific time.
It's everyone else Im worried about.

A post referring to those who disagree with him "maniacs"...

I absolutely adore how Disney maniacs get angry when others feel the hours at the Most Magical Place on Earth - again the place the maniacs love most - should not be longer.

Simply makes no sense to me.

And another post where he clearly defines himself as the superior "non-maniac" and reiterates that anyone who doesn't agree with him is "crazy".

Non-Maniacs, like myself, feel the park hours should be longer and true Masters Level Maniacs disagree.

I'm so lost.

I guess they feel the place is More Magical The Less It's Open?

Perhaps Extra Magic Hours should change to "More Ordinary Time Than Normal"

Sometimes you just cannot explain crazy.

Be blessed.

And that "Be blessed" after basically calling everyone in the thread a bunch of dumb, crazy, maniac apologists is just about as "snarky" as it can get.

THAT'S why people are jumping in and giving him a hard time. Not because they think Disney does no wrong or that hours should be shorter or whatever. But because from the very title of this thread and the original post, his tone has been condescending.

I don't understand how people can think it's strange for the majority of posters on a board like this would be pro-Disney and might argue back against someone who quite obviously posts a thread to stir the pot a bit. He seems to not only be able to handle it and give as good as he gets...I daresay he seems to enjoy it a bit.

Just my perspective. If someone had posted a thread because they were disappointed that MK wasn't open as late this year and had made their point without the need to be condescending and engaging in name-calling...I feel other posters might have been more sympathetic and less likely to "fire back" as my high school students would say. When communicating through the written word, word choice and tone are pretty important if you're trying to make a point and want people to see your side of things.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Almost immediately the OP got slammed because he "didn't plan" and "it's summer, of course it is crowded". Except, WDW had an 8 % increase in attendance in 2015, can't plan that. And, there are shorter hours than the year before which he was PLANNING on. I also PLANNED on longer hours over Easter because I knew (from planning) that there were higher crowds in winter 2015 over winter 2014. Also, in the past, they extended hours farther out, while I was PLANNING, I noticed that did indeed add some hours to the published hours (not as much) but closer to my trip. Interfering with my PLANS. So I planned for higher crowds over peak season but WDW did not.

Disney makes planning difficult by constantly changing their own rules. Like, Wishes assigned seating.

If the parks are more crowded they should be adding hours,not having shorter hours. And even if I don't utilize the extra hour at the end of the day, that will my the rope drop the next morning that much less crowded.

So, I think a thread complaining about changes in hours is absolutely appropriate.

But, to paraphrase some investment company: past performance is not an indication of future results.

Many other threads advise guests to plan based on the published hours (not on what the hours are expected to be based on the previous year.)

Pretty much everything at WDW is subject to change; the example used - Wishes seating - being an example.

Even if Disney should be extending park hours, they're not to any great degree. Complaining about it here isn't going to change business operations. Shareholders, aka business owners, should make their voices heard.

 

[jknc]

I've seen a few posts that seem to defend the OP and chastise those who have disagreed with him. I suggest it isn't WHAT the OP is complaining about, but rather the tone of his posts that has people a little defensive and quick to jump back at him. And the posts noting the "snarky" tone seem to indicate it's those disagreeing with the OP who are being "snarky" when in fact, the title of this thread and the original post:

...are about as snarky as can be. I'm sure the OP fully expected that people would disagree with him, and he seems to almost enjoy it, right down to the back-and-forth with another poster that prompted a moderator to come in, delete the posts, and offer a gentle warning.

So I'll offer the reasons I've been a little miffed by the OP's thread and posts, and it has nothing to do with his opinion on the MK's hours.

First, of course, this indication that anyone disagreeing with him is an "apologist" and the "stay classy" jab...


Then more name-calling aimed at those of us who "don't get it" followed by an all-caps statement that I assume is meant to drive home the point.


And this obvious insult, indicating that those of us who continue to pay to go to WDW are dumb...


This post patting himself on the back for having "fans" here with whom he's obviously had run-ins with before...


This post proving that to him it's some sort of competition to be right while proving everyone else wrong....


Another attempt to show that he's right and it's "everyone else" (those who disagree with him) who are the ones with a problem...




A post referring to those who disagree with him "maniacs"...


And another post where he clearly defines himself as the superior "non-maniac" and reiterates that anyone who doesn't agree with him is "crazy".


And that "Be blessed" after basically calling everyone in the thread a bunch of dumb, crazy, maniac apologists is just about as "snarky" as it can get.

THAT'S why people are jumping in and giving him a hard time. Not because they think Disney does no wrong or that hours should be shorter or whatever. But because from the very title of this thread and the original post, his tone has been condescending.

I don't understand how people can think it's strange for the majority of posters on a board like this would be pro-Disney and might argue back against someone who quite obviously posts a thread to stir the pot a bit. He seems to not only be able to handle it and give as good as he gets...I daresay he seems to enjoy it a bit.

Just my perspective. If someone had posted a thread because they were disappointed that MK wasn't open as late this year and had made their point without the need to be condescending and engaging in name-calling...I feel other posters might have been more sympathetic and less likely to "fire back" as my high school students would say. When communicating through the written word, word choice and tone are pretty important if you're trying to make a point and want people to see your side of things.

I do enjoy it.

I've been attacked by some of the same people in the past for my original opinion of DAH.

I wish I had time to respond more appropriately to replys yesterday but was too busy being rained on at HS.

My original post was made while walking around MK Thurs evening and seeing what I thought were oddly high wait times only to have the first reply be "seems like a usual day".

Turns out Touring Plans classified it a level 10 day, hardly usual for a Thursday sandwiched between an evening EMH until 1:00 am and a morning EMH.

I even heard our bus driver commenting how much busier than expected it seems.

We had a FP for 7 dwarves but could not believe the posted wait was 150 minutes and Buzz was 60.

I am no Disney expert having only stayed on property about 30 nights in my life, but I strongly feel the customer would benefit by longer MK operating hours from Memorial Day to Labor Day.

On a side note for my many friends reading this thread, so many men's bathrooms were absolutely disgusting at the parks. Even my wife who rarely comments on Disneys flaws said many female restrooms were disgusting as well.

Have no fear, I let as many people know of those problems as possible and you can thank me later this year when you are eating spaghetti off the toilets because they are so clean.

Cheers.

 

[GPC0321]

My original post was made while walking around MK Thurs evening...

Then you're right, and this should be the last visit to WDW for you for awhile if not forever. When you're walking around in the Magic Kingdom posting a complaint on a message board on your phone instead of enjoying the park, you're done with it. You're over it. You have been too often and/or you are no longer getting much out of it. As you pointed out early on, you had already lodged complaints with WDW prior to this trip, so you went into it with negative feelings in place, and you've continued to be disappointed to such an extent that you felt the need to post your disappointment on here while still in the park.

There's no reason to continue "feeding the Mouse" as you put it. Truly. If you're that disgruntled with WDW, there are plenty of other places you can take your family on vacation that might better suit your needs. No reason to feel pressured into visiting a place that you think isn't worth the money and disappoints you enough that you cannot even enjoy it in the moment and instead feel your time there is better spent complaining online.

And this is posted with no "snarkiness" at all. I sincerely believe it's silly for someone to drop thousands of dollars on a vacation that they feel isn't worth it.

 

[mom2rtk]

Many other threads advise guests to plan based on the published hours (not on what the hours are expected to be based on the previous year.)

I find that amusing since any time someone posts a concern about the short published hours, someone immediately chimes in with "that will change closer to your dates."

I think it's actually quite helpful for people to post threads like this so others will realize that might not continue to be the case, at least not to the extent that it used to be.

The vast majority of people I know have to plan their trip to Disney many months in advance. It helps to have a realistic view of what hours might or might not still be added to that previously published list.

 

[Planogirl]

I find that amusing since any time someone posts a concern about the short published hours, someone immediately chimes in with "that will change closer to your dates."

I think it's actually quite helpful for people to post threads like this so others will realize that might not continue to be the case, at least not to the extent that it used to be.

The vast majority of people I know have to plan their trip to Disney many months in advance. It helps to have a realistic view of what hours might or might not still be added to that previously published list.

I agree. Disney wants people to plan their meals and rides and so on. However they feel free to just change things whenever they wish or they don't realize some info until the last minute. Sometimes all we have to go on is historic data.

 

[jknc]

I find that amusing since any time someone posts a concern about the short published hours, someone immediately chimes in with "that will change closer to your dates."

I think it's actually quite helpful for people to post threads like this so others will realize that might not continue to be the case, at least not to the extent that it used to be.

The vast majority of people I know have to plan their trip to Disney many months in advance. It helps to have a realistic view of what hours might or might not still be added to that previously published list.

I regret that I ever posted this thread.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I find that amusing since any time someone posts a concern about the short published hours, someone immediately chimes in with "that will change closer to your dates."

I think it's actually quite helpful for people to post threads like this so others will realize that might not continue to be the case, at least not to the extent that it used to be.

The vast majority of people I know have to plan their trip to Disney many months in advance. It helps to have a realistic view of what hours might or might not still be added to that previously published list.

Realistic is to plan based on published hours, not what hours were last year or what hours might be changed to shortly before one's visit. Dates absolutely may change closer to arrival. May not.

 

[IrishNYC]

Realistic is to plan based on published hours, not what hours were last year or what hours might be changed to shortly before one's visit. Dates absolutely may change closer to arrival. May not.

I completely agree! So many complain about how Disney "wants" us to plan so much, so far in advance, why does every hour need to be so planned. If you're that much of a planner, plan for the published hours, and enjoy that extra hour or two later they might end up open.

 

[MaryKatesMom]

Really? Well, I haven't done the scientific data on the relationship between the patrons of both of these rides to prove my opinion on it, but other than they being the 2 most popular rides in Epcot, I don't see any significant overlap in the two audiences for these rides? Soarin' for one, attracts EVERYBODY, all the families, all the ages, while something like Test Track is definitely going to lose a huge chunk of that grouping in my pinion. There are plenty who will never ride a coaster like Test Track. I think Test Track is dominated more by those who ride it over and over again, which tend to be certain age groups who, in my opinion, are not going to be riding Soarin' over and over again to the same degree.

I think maybe there may be a small bump with people who can't do Soarin' on Test Track, but I think, in general, it will be minimal and be spread throughout the park. People will just plan their day differently, without Soarin, and do other things - statistically, the likelihood of all the people who would have picked a fast pass or gotten on lane for Soarin at a certain time ALL heading over to Test Track, seems unlikely. I wouldn't worry about it.

Over Easter when Soarin' was closed and only TT open the SB wait time hit 60 min 10 minutes before opening.

I completely agree! So many complain about how Disney "wants" us to plan so much, so far in advance, why does every hour need to be so planned. If you're that much of a planner, plan for the published hours, and enjoy that extra hour or two later they might end up open.

Except they AREN'T adding the extra hour which was the OP's original complaint. They are having record crowds and yet aren't adding the hours like they had in the past.

I completely understand why the OP was angry because I've been there. He's spent a lot of time planning, a lot of money, less capacity (particularly at EPCOT and DHS) and more crowds.

EPCOT is my favorite park and we stay at one of the EPCOT resorts. We were at the IG turnstiles 1 hour before opening and they let us through the IG at 10 minutes before official opening so that by the time we walked to TT the line was astronomically long and the SB line was at 60 minutes when we got there. We used our 3 FP+ and left the park. Very disappointing and so much less then we have ever done at EPCOT. I love WDW but I don't like to spend more to get less.

 

[jknc]

Over Easter when Soarin' was closed and only TT open the SB wait time hit 60 min 10 minutes before opening.



Except they AREN'T adding the extra hour which was the OP's original complaint. They are having record crowds and yet aren't adding the hours like they had in the past.

I completely understand why the OP was angry because I've been there. He's spent a lot of time planning, a lot of money, less capacity (particularly at EPCOT and DHS) and more crowds.

EPCOT is my favorite park and we stay at one of the EPCOT resorts. We were at the IG turnstiles 1 hour before opening and they let us through the IG at 10 minutes before official opening so that by the time we walked to TT the line was astronomically long and the SB line was at 60 minutes when we got there. We used our 3 FP+ and left the park. Very disappointing and so much less then we have ever done at EPCOT. I love WDW but I don't like to spend more to get less.

Clearly you and I are in the minority with most everyone else having little issue with paying more and getting less.

 

[IrishNYC]

Except they AREN'T adding the extra hour which was the OP's original complaint. They are having record crowds and yet aren't adding the hours like they had in the past.

And I said, don't plan for the extra hour based on historical data. Plan for what's given, and if you end up with added hours, then you can just enjoy them.

 

[jknc]

And I said, don't plan for the extra hour based on historical data. Plan for what's given, and if you end up with added hours, then you can just enjoy them.

How exactly does one plan for hours that are not posted?
Not like you can book a FP or reservation for an hour that does not exist.

 

[megster1123]

How exactly does one plan for hours that are not posted?
Not like you can book a FP or reservation for an hour that does not exist.

They actually said not to plan for hours not posted.

And I agree with them - expect and plan for what hours are posted and if hours are extended then hey, that's a bonus.
You weren't happy the park was busy and wasn't open later - but on the flip side, say it stormed and the park was empty...would you have expected them to close early? For something as massive as MK, once hours are published its an operational nightmare and almost impossible to change at the last minute because it's "busy." You knew the hours going in and it turned out to be busy. I really don't see what the big deal is.

 

[jknc]

They actually said not to plan for hours not posted.

And I agree with them - expect and plan for what hours are posted and if hours are extended then hey, that's a bonus.
You weren't happy the park was busy and wasn't open later - but on the flip side, say it stormed and the park was empty...would you have expected them to close early? For something as massive as MK, once hours are published its an operational nightmare and almost impossible to change at the last minute because it's "busy." You knew the hours going in and it turned out to be busy. I really don't see what the big deal is.

So then there is no planning for hours that do not exist?

Who exactly is planning for these non existent hours?

 

[megster1123]

So then there is no planning for hours that do not exist?

Who exactly is planning for these non existent hours?

No one said that.

 

[jknc]

No one said that.

But you agreed with a group of people advising another group of people to not plan for non existent hours when as far as I know nobody was actually making plans around said non existent hours.

I can't speak for all posters on this thread but I surely didn't plan for non existing hours.

 

[megster1123]

But you agreed with a group of people advising another group of people to not plan for non existent hours when as far as I know nobody was actually making plans around said non existent hours.

I can't speak for all posters on this thread but I surely didn't plan for non existing hours.

You really like to talk in circles don't you?

And please re-read my post, as I never "agreed with a group of people." I quoted one post. Stop trying to make this thread into a game of semantics.

 

[jknc]

And I agree with them - expect and plan for what hours are posted

That was your post.

My apologies Im just trying to learn who specifically was making plans around hours that never existed.

 

[HatboxHaint]

24/7 MK. It's coming some day.

Len Testsa would redo all the algorithms to tells us the best time to ride mine train is either 2:45AM or 4:45AM.....