Might be cancelling—government shutdown

[KAT4DISNEY]

On the other hand, a lot of what air traffic controllers and tsa agents do is pay attention. They won't purposely let anything go, but they may be thinking about making their mortgage payment, or just chewing on having to show up to work without pay and miss something. They are human and humans make mistakes....and the concern is that they will make more mistakes in the current climate - or be open to being bribed. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/us/tsa-gun-flight/index.html

Pffffttt - attributing a gun passing thru security because of the shut down is ludicrous. As mentioned in the article they often fail in the actual tests for detecting them.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

We are booked for Princess Marathon weekend. With the Government shutdown ongoing I’m starting to have less confidence in air travel safety. The news today is not encouraging. President of the Flight Attendant Association says air travel is becoming unsafe as TSA workers and Air traffic controllers are overtaxed. No vacation is worth the risk, but I’m really bummed. The points would already go into holding, so I’ll ride it out a bit. Plane tickets will go down the drain. Anyone else considering cancelling?

If you have confidence in the people performing these jobs during other times I would not let this change that. As mentioned what might happen is delays but that is what I'd consider to be the greatest risk. If Air traffic control can't handle the load then planes will be grounded as was done yesterday which as I understand the cause was traced back to 6 controllers calling in "sick". I flew this past week - Sunday and yesterday and it never even crossed my mind for safety concerns - nor was there actually any visible signs that anything was going on - pretty much business as usual. Most are going above and beyond. I did hear a comment between a couple of TSA agents who were of course excited and talking about getting paid after the announcement of funding.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Cancelling for financial reasons? Totally get that

Cancelling because you think that they aren't going to care about actual safety? I don't really get that but at least make an informed decision on that.

*I wouldn't be cancelling, I know my husband isn't cancelling his business flight for a week from today.

Canceling for safety reasons I would understand. But canceling for financial reason I wouldn’t understand or approve of.

Here in Europe there are a lot of regulations regarding cancelled flights and if the airlines are in anyway to blame they need to pay compensation to the customers. This also goes if their own crew goes on strike.

We are flying in on the 15th next month and we won’t be canceling either. In case of another shutdown I hope that the wait at MCO won’t be that bad.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Canceling for safety reasons I would understand. But canceling for financial reason I wouldn’t understand or approve of.

Here in Europe there are a lot of regulations regarding cancelled flights and if the airlines are in anyway to blame they need to pay compensation to the customers. This also goes if their own crew goes on strike.

We are flying in on the 15th next month and we won’t be canceling either. In case of another shutdown I hope that the wait at MCO won’t be that bad.

By financial I meant impacted by the shutdown. You only need to peruse the multiple threads regarding the shutdown to understand what I meant.

I was not referring to airline compensation..

 

[Cyberc1978]

By financial I meant impacted by the shutdown. You only need to peruse the multiple threads regarding the shutdown to understand what I meant.

I was not referring to airline compensation..

I disagree. If you were referring to something else you need to make it more clear. I shouldn’t have to read multiple threads to understand the meaning of what you mean.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I disagree. If you were referring to something else you need to make it more clear. I shouldn’t have to read multiple threads to understand the meaning of what you mean.

...mmkk. It was pretty clear. No where in my comment did I refer to airline compensation, you leaped to the conclusion. Perhaps because you're in Europe (based on your prior comment) it never crossed your mind that I was speaking towards people who were cash strapped due to not getting paid but that is not an issue with my comment. I assure you that is a very salient thought on people's minds regarding taking vacations.

 

[SirDuff]

...mmkk. It was pretty clear. No where in my comment did I refer to airline compensation or anything regarding delays in airplanes, you leaped to the conclusion. Perhaps because you're in Europe (based on your prior comment) it never crossed your mind that I was speaking towards people who were cash strapped due to not getting paid but that is not an issue with my comment. I assure you that is a very salient thought on people's minds regarding taking vacations.

You were clear. I had no idea what the PP was talking about when he/she said that he/she "didn't approve" of cancelling for financial reasons (ignoring the fact that no one had asked for his/her approval in the first place).

And, if there are delays/cancellations due to the shutdown, EU 261/04 (which is the law that governs airline compensation here) would not apply anyway - it is outside the airline's control and thus falls under the "extraordinary circumstances" exclusion:

An operating air carrier shall not be obliged to pay compensation in accordance with Article 7, if it can prove that the cancellation is caused by extraordinary circumstances which could not have been avoided even if all reasonable measures had been taken

 

[crisi]

Pffffttt - attributing a gun passing thru security because of the shut down is ludicrous. As mentioned in the article they often fail in the actual tests for detecting them.

Actually, I didn't attribute it at all to the just past shutdown - I was holding it out as an example of "the TSA makes mistakes"

 

[crisi]

I don’t buy it. There are hundreds of different things that always stress people out.
If a controller making six figures doesn’t have a few months emergency stash, than I’m betting they are always stressed about money even when getting paid.
The bribe thing is laughable imo.

TSA agents don't make six figures and are probably much more easily bribed, nor do they likely have a few months emergency stash.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Actually, I didn't attribute it at all to the just past shutdown - I was holding it out as an example of "the TSA makes mistakes"

As you had mentioned they might be thinking of paying their mortgage......or taking bribes. And the article was referencing this happening during the shutdown that was not clear.

 

[crisi]

As you had mentioned they might be thinking of paying their mortgage......or taking bribes. And the article was referencing this happening during the shutdown that was not clear.

Yep, you inferred. But that was not what I said.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Yep, you inferred. But that was not what I said.

I have no idea how I could infer something you wrote in a post but ok.

 

[ScubaCat]

I have no idea how I could infer something you wrote in a post but ok.

Yep, you inferred. But that was not what I said.

I'll defur to the concurrence that you inferred the prior inference. (fer sure)