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From CNN:
Fake front page brings paper Disney dollars, debate
Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- At first glance of Friday's Los Angeles Times, you might think the Mad Hatter has taken over the newspaper.
Johnny Depp's colorful character in Disney's new film "Alice in Wonderland" dominates a faked front page, which includes the paper's traditional flag and two stories that appeared in the paper last month.
Los Angeles Times spokesman John Conroy said the "cover-wrap" was an "unusual opportunity to stretch the usual boundaries and design an innovative ad designed to create buzz."
Roy Peter Clark, a senior journalism scholar at the Poynter Institute, said tough economic times and lower ads sales have forced newspapers to tear down the ethics wall that separated a paper's front page from advertisers.
"The wall became in recent years a fence, but the Los Angeles Times has created a swinging gate," Clark said.
"What offends my traditional sensibilities is the notion that you would be willing to deceive the reader into thinking that this was the actual front page," Clark said.
Although Conroy said readers would not be confused by the fake front, several journalists in CNN's Los Angeles bureau did not immediately realize that the real front page was inside.
A Times reader who works for a movie marketing company in Hollywood said he felt deceived by the ad. He asked not to be identified because his company, which was not involved in the Disney campaign, deals with the newspaper.
"We propose these kinds of ads all the time but have never gotten them approved," he said. "I don't always agree with what we do."
He estimated that the ad would cost "well over $100,000."
Conroy would not disclose the price, but he said, "Our front page section is our most valued real estate. The ad was priced accordingly."
The use of real newspaper stories, published previously in the newspaper, to make the ad appear to be a real front page is another issue, Clark said.
"I'm particularly nervous about them running fake stories that are really real stories," he said. "That seems like a misappropriation of the journalism in the newspaper."
An online search revealed that the article on the left column -- headlined "To take reins on health proposal" -- was a slightly altered version of a story written by Tribune Co. Washington reporter Noam Levey. It was published February 18.
The second article, appearing on the right column of the Disney ad, was headlined "Major Afghan Figure Caught." The original story was published February 19, with the bylines of Times foreign correspondent Laura King and Moscow bureau chief Alex Rodriguez.
"If I had written one of those stories, I would be pissed," Clark said.
CNN has received no response from e-mails and calls to the three journalists.
Although they may not be pleased with their work being used in a movie ad -- without the byline -- they have jobs while many of their co-workers have been laid off.
The Tribune Publishing Co., the paper's parent, has ordered several rounds of staff cuts at its newspapers and bureau in recent years. Some have left in protest of changes in editorial practices aimed at boosting revenue, Clark said.
"There's been one editor after another that's walked out the door because they didn't want to cave in to pressure from the top to do the wrong thing," Clark said.
What he might have objected to five years ago, he could now accept it helps papers survive, Clark said. But not if it confuses editorial content with ads, he said.
"Every time I see a big ad in my local newspaper I send up a little cheer," he said.
When HBO paid the newspaper for a wrap-around ad last summer, for the vampire series "True Blood," it was not mixed with the flag or editorial content.
The Los Angeles Times drew criticism in April when it sold NBC the right column of its front page, where a lead story is normally placed. The network used the space to advertise the debut of its "Southland" series.
Fake front page brings paper Disney dollars, debate
Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- At first glance of Friday's Los Angeles Times, you might think the Mad Hatter has taken over the newspaper.
Johnny Depp's colorful character in Disney's new film "Alice in Wonderland" dominates a faked front page, which includes the paper's traditional flag and two stories that appeared in the paper last month.
Los Angeles Times spokesman John Conroy said the "cover-wrap" was an "unusual opportunity to stretch the usual boundaries and design an innovative ad designed to create buzz."
Roy Peter Clark, a senior journalism scholar at the Poynter Institute, said tough economic times and lower ads sales have forced newspapers to tear down the ethics wall that separated a paper's front page from advertisers.
"The wall became in recent years a fence, but the Los Angeles Times has created a swinging gate," Clark said.
"What offends my traditional sensibilities is the notion that you would be willing to deceive the reader into thinking that this was the actual front page," Clark said.
Although Conroy said readers would not be confused by the fake front, several journalists in CNN's Los Angeles bureau did not immediately realize that the real front page was inside.
A Times reader who works for a movie marketing company in Hollywood said he felt deceived by the ad. He asked not to be identified because his company, which was not involved in the Disney campaign, deals with the newspaper.
"We propose these kinds of ads all the time but have never gotten them approved," he said. "I don't always agree with what we do."
He estimated that the ad would cost "well over $100,000."
Conroy would not disclose the price, but he said, "Our front page section is our most valued real estate. The ad was priced accordingly."
The use of real newspaper stories, published previously in the newspaper, to make the ad appear to be a real front page is another issue, Clark said.
"I'm particularly nervous about them running fake stories that are really real stories," he said. "That seems like a misappropriation of the journalism in the newspaper."
An online search revealed that the article on the left column -- headlined "To take reins on health proposal" -- was a slightly altered version of a story written by Tribune Co. Washington reporter Noam Levey. It was published February 18.
The second article, appearing on the right column of the Disney ad, was headlined "Major Afghan Figure Caught." The original story was published February 19, with the bylines of Times foreign correspondent Laura King and Moscow bureau chief Alex Rodriguez.
"If I had written one of those stories, I would be pissed," Clark said.
CNN has received no response from e-mails and calls to the three journalists.
Although they may not be pleased with their work being used in a movie ad -- without the byline -- they have jobs while many of their co-workers have been laid off.
The Tribune Publishing Co., the paper's parent, has ordered several rounds of staff cuts at its newspapers and bureau in recent years. Some have left in protest of changes in editorial practices aimed at boosting revenue, Clark said.
"There's been one editor after another that's walked out the door because they didn't want to cave in to pressure from the top to do the wrong thing," Clark said.
What he might have objected to five years ago, he could now accept it helps papers survive, Clark said. But not if it confuses editorial content with ads, he said.
"Every time I see a big ad in my local newspaper I send up a little cheer," he said.
When HBO paid the newspaper for a wrap-around ad last summer, for the vampire series "True Blood," it was not mixed with the flag or editorial content.
The Los Angeles Times drew criticism in April when it sold NBC the right column of its front page, where a lead story is normally placed. The network used the space to advertise the debut of its "Southland" series.
My4PhillyGirls
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I don't want to go to work tomorrow
At least the weather is getting warmer
Joe
At least the weather is getting warmer Joe
gottolovedisney
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Remember during Thanksgiving time when a few of the "turkey gang" joined our thread? Turns out they continued with their former thread as well, saying that the 8/16 thread did not feel like "home". So there are other rebel posters out there!
Hope you are enjoying the beautiful weather!
Hope you are enjoying the beautiful weather!
My4PhillyGirls
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Hey guys I have to vent.
I saw a 42" HD tv on sale on HSN Presidents' Day and had to have it. On 2/18 it arrives but it obviously it has been opened before so I call them and ask to return it. They tell me that manufacturer has to send a shipping label because the tv should have been new. HSN promises to hold a tv for me and will ship when I send the tv back to the manufacturer.
10 days and several calls go by before they pick the tv up. Four days later UPS says it has arrived back at the manufacturer. Now HSN calls and says that my tv is on back order and that it should come in after April 9th
I can cancel if I want for a $5.00 coupon that I must use in 30 days
I called and cancelled taking this as a sign that I didn't need it
The funniest part is that the tv that I was replacing stopped cutting off when I increased the brightness of the screen.
Joe
I saw a 42" HD tv on sale on HSN Presidents' Day and had to have it. On 2/18 it arrives but it obviously it has been opened before so I call them and ask to return it. They tell me that manufacturer has to send a shipping label because the tv should have been new. HSN promises to hold a tv for me and will ship when I send the tv back to the manufacturer.
10 days and several calls go by before they pick the tv up. Four days later UPS says it has arrived back at the manufacturer. Now HSN calls and says that my tv is on back order and that it should come in after April 9th
I can cancel if I want for a $5.00 coupon that I must use in 30 days
I called and cancelled taking this as a sign that I didn't need it
The funniest part is that the tv that I was replacing stopped cutting off when I increased the brightness of the screen.
Joe
LuvsBlueDiamonds
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I don't want to go to work tomorrow
Joe
A beautiful day here today. I might pull a lounge chair out of the shed and throw it on the deck.
Can I pretend I'm on deck 9? Will someone please bring me a drink!! What's the UV index? I need sun!! I look like a vampire!
LuvsBlueDiamonds
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I was lurking the other day. OMG!!! Blah, blah, blah... I can't take all that sappy, sticky, sweet fakeness! You know I'm a rebel... with a cause!
LuvsBlueDiamonds
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Hey guys I have to vent.
I saw a 42" HD tv on sale on HSN Presidents' Day and had to have it. On 2/18 it arrives but it obviously it has been opened before so I call them and ask to return it. They tell me that manufacturer has to send a shipping label because the tv should have been new. HSN promises to hold a tv for me and will ship when I send the tv back to the manufacturer.
10 days and several calls go by before they pick the tv up. Four days later UPS says it has arrived back at the manufacturer. Now HSN calls and says that my tv is on back order and that it should come in after April 9th
I can cancel if I want for a $5.00 coupon that I must use in 30 days
I called and cancelled taking this as a sign that I didn't need it
The funniest part is that the tv that I was replacing stopped cutting off when I increased the brightness of the screen.
Joe
Joe, that's crazy. You're right, it was a sign you didn't need a new tv. You should be doing the honey-do list instead of watching the **** tube!!!
gottolovedisney
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Hey guys I have to vent.
I saw a 42" HD tv on sale on HSN Presidents' Day and had to have it. On 2/18 it arrives but it obviously it has been opened before so I call them and ask to return it. They tell me that manufacturer has to send a shipping label because the tv should have been new. HSN promises to hold a tv for me and will ship when I send the tv back to the manufacturer.
10 days and several calls go by before they pick the tv up. Four days later UPS says it has arrived back at the manufacturer. Now HSN calls and says that my tv is on back order and that it should come in after April 9th
I can cancel if I want for a $5.00 coupon that I must use in 30 days
I called and cancelled taking this as a sign that I didn't need it
The funniest part is that the tv that I was replacing stopped cutting off when I increased the brightness of the screen.
Joe
For all of your inconvenience, they only gave you a $5.00 coupon?!? How crappy was that!
gottolovedisney
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dont know if this is a really good deal or not, but found this on travel zoo
$286 -- Weeklong pass to Disney Theme Parks in Orlando*
Last Update: 3/10/2010, 3:10 AM ET
Orlando
Travel dates: 2010
By Travelzoo Staff
This spring and summer Disney World offers a seven-day hopper pass available for just $286 and valid for unlimited entry in to all four Disney parks. That's only $41 per day. Considering that a one-day ticket to just one of the parks is $84, this hopper pass saves more than 50% OFF the daily rate.
Great for individuals and families, this ticket is extremely flexible and allows guests to enjoy Walt Disney World at their own pace. Over a weeks time, visit the Magic Kingdom, Epcot, Disney's Hollywood Studios and Disneys Animal Kingdom.
Need a day just to relax? No worries, the ticket is good for seven consecutive days.
Ticket packages to Disney World parks are also available depending for other lengths of stay.
Click here for information and to purchase tickets on Disneys Web site.
Travelzoo Tip: Now through May 16, The Epcot International Flower & Garden Festival takes place and is free as part of admission to Epcot.
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$286 -- Weeklong pass to Disney Theme Parks in Orlando*
Last Update: 3/10/2010, 3:10 AM ET
Orlando
Travel dates: 2010
By Travelzoo Staff
This spring and summer Disney World offers a seven-day hopper pass available for just $286 and valid for unlimited entry in to all four Disney parks. That's only $41 per day. Considering that a one-day ticket to just one of the parks is $84, this hopper pass saves more than 50% OFF the daily rate.
Great for individuals and families, this ticket is extremely flexible and allows guests to enjoy Walt Disney World at their own pace. Over a weeks time, visit the Magic Kingdom, Epcot, Disney's Hollywood Studios and Disneys Animal Kingdom.
Need a day just to relax? No worries, the ticket is good for seven consecutive days.
Ticket packages to Disney World parks are also available depending for other lengths of stay.
Click here for information and to purchase tickets on Disneys Web site.
Travelzoo Tip: Now through May 16, The Epcot International Flower & Garden Festival takes place and is free as part of admission to Epcot.
Walt Disney World
E-mail to a friend
LuvsBlueDiamonds
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Wow, that does sound like a good deal. I've heard about these offers online. But, never tried one. I would avoid ebay!
We're going to WDW in August for a week before our cruise. I have no clue how much we're paying for tickets (I probably should check). I know we had to buy a one day park pass for the three of us to get a pacakge deal. If anyone is interested... we booked Wilderness Lodge Club Level for 40% off a night. Now, that's a deal!!!
If you've been thinking about a trip to WDW I would act soon. The deals and steals we've seen the last two years will be going away next year in my opinion. Last week Bank of America upgraded Disney from neutral to buy based on expectations for 2011. I don't think we'll see 4/3 deals, 40% off or free dinning again for quite some time.
p.s.... Joe, QVC has a tv on sale today!!!!
Hey Cigy7, don't post too much, you're bugging us!
My4PhillyGirls
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Wow, that does sound like a good deal. I've heard about these offers online. But, never tried one. I would avoid ebay!
We're going to WDW in August for a week before our cruise. I have no clue how much we're paying for tickets (I probably should check). I know we had to buy a one day park pass for the three of us to get a pacakge deal. If anyone is interested... we booked Wilderness Lodge Club Level for 40% off a night. Now, that's a deal!!!
If you've been thinking about a trip to WDW I would act soon. The deals and steals we've seen the last two years will be going away next year in my opinion. Last week Bank of America upgraded Disney from neutral to buy based on expectations for 2011. I don't think we'll see 4/3 deals, 40% off or free dinning again for quite some time.
p.s.... Joe, QVC has a tv on sale today!!!!
Hey Cigy7, don't post too much, you're bugging us!
I shouldn't have tried to buy the first tv. I was trying to replace a 42" HD projection with a new LCD slim television for the bedroom. Since it seems to be fixed with the adjustment of the brightness, I will keep the money and payoff the upgrade in cabins from 5D to 4D
Joe
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Remember the mess Disney/ABC made of the Oscars last Sunday... maybe the time has come.
CEO Robert Iger decides to keep Disney's options open...
Walt Disney CEO Robert Iger caught company shareholders off guard with a surprise announcement this Wednesday. He confirmed rumors that an ABC spin-off is a possibility. While Iger assured investors that Disney is comfortable with its current range of assets, he admitted that executives are hesitant to prolong the relationship between ABC and Disney.
The Walt Disney Co. first acquired the ABC network in 1996, and quickly reorganized the broadcasting group. But despite Disneys efforts at micro-management, ABCs ratings saw several significant slumps over the years.
There are no guarantees in terms of what will remain part of our company and what will not, Iger said when pressed for further details at a shareholders meeting.
The announcement comes as no surprise to analysts who have tracked ABCs rapid decline the past few years. Hindered by its struggling news division, the TV network has failed to move in a direction indicative of financial sustainability or groundbreaking creativity.
ABC doesnt add a lot of value to Disneys other divisions, analyst Michael Nathanson said in an interview with Reuters.
However, ABC News has soldiered on, and recently cut more than 300 jobs as part of a campaign to refocus and recapture viewers. The possibility of an ABC spin-off is further diminished by the somewhat fortunate timing of the cable dispute.
If the battle over retransmission fees ends with a victory for the networks, the value of ABC is expected to increase, effectively securing the future of the Disney-ABC relationship
CEO Robert Iger decides to keep Disney's options open...
Walt Disney CEO Robert Iger caught company shareholders off guard with a surprise announcement this Wednesday. He confirmed rumors that an ABC spin-off is a possibility. While Iger assured investors that Disney is comfortable with its current range of assets, he admitted that executives are hesitant to prolong the relationship between ABC and Disney.
The Walt Disney Co. first acquired the ABC network in 1996, and quickly reorganized the broadcasting group. But despite Disneys efforts at micro-management, ABCs ratings saw several significant slumps over the years.
There are no guarantees in terms of what will remain part of our company and what will not, Iger said when pressed for further details at a shareholders meeting.
The announcement comes as no surprise to analysts who have tracked ABCs rapid decline the past few years. Hindered by its struggling news division, the TV network has failed to move in a direction indicative of financial sustainability or groundbreaking creativity.
ABC doesnt add a lot of value to Disneys other divisions, analyst Michael Nathanson said in an interview with Reuters.
However, ABC News has soldiered on, and recently cut more than 300 jobs as part of a campaign to refocus and recapture viewers. The possibility of an ABC spin-off is further diminished by the somewhat fortunate timing of the cable dispute.
If the battle over retransmission fees ends with a victory for the networks, the value of ABC is expected to increase, effectively securing the future of the Disney-ABC relationship
LuvsBlueDiamonds
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I shouldn't have tried to buy the first tv. I was trying to replace a 42" HD projection with a new LCD slim television for the bedroom. Since it seems to be fixed with the adjustment of the brightness, I will keep the money and payoff the upgrade in cabins from 5D to 4D
Joe
Joe, an upgrade is money well spent. Why would you watch tv in the bedroom??
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I shouldn't have tried to buy the first tv. I was trying to replace a 42" HD projection with a new LCD slim television for the bedroom. Since it seems to be fixed with the adjustment of the brightness, I will keep the money and payoff the upgrade in cabins from 5D to 4D
Joe
I want your 5d room!!!! Hummm am going to keep on working on the man.
My4PhillyGirls
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Joe, an upgrade is money well spent. Why would you watch tv in the bedroom??
The older you get, the more distractions you need in the bedroom
Joe
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We are currently going on this vacation without the DMIL. Anyone think I should invite her again this time
Joe
Joe
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We are currently going on this vacation without the DMIL. Anyone think I should invite her again this time
Joe
We had invited DMIL on our August 2009 but she had prior commitments. Let's say when we got on the ship, I wasn't too sad she didn't come. Now, Joe, how was having her on the cruise last time and what are the perks of having her along? Only you can aswer that.
My4PhillyGirls
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My DMIL is great
She kept 2 of my DD's in one of the connecting cabins while we had the youngest in our cabin.We had other adults with our group so we rarely saw her except at dinner, shows and when it was time to go to sleep.
One night I took the kids to the movies and she went to the adult hypnotist show with the rest of the adults in our group.
She also loved the Cove and the adult area. Her only complaint is that the ship didn't have a casino.
She's traveling with her girlfriends on RCL doing the Mexican Riveria this spring.
Joe
gottolovedisney
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My DMIL is great
We had other adults with our group so we rarely saw her except at dinner, shows and when it was time to go to sleep.
One night I took the kids to the movies and she went to the adult hypnotist show with the rest of the adults in our group.
She also loved the Cove and the adult area. Her only complaint is that the ship didn't have a casino.
She's traveling with her girlfriends on RCL doing the Mexican Riveria this spring
Joe
anytime you can bring someone along to help with the kids...that is
great. My son would never want to leave us so we rarely got to go to the adult pool or serenity bay.
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