Michaels Vs Hobby Lobby

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

People are free to avoid doing business with a company if they object to the beliefs are actions of the company or owners.
What I have an issue with is some people assume if you don't do business with a company, it is because you have that kind of issue with their actions or beliefs.
We don't go to Chick-Fil-A. We just don't like their food. And that is saying something because chicken is my wife's favorite food. She just thinks they do chicken wrong.

Maybe I have been around a different group of people in my life but if it's brought up that someone doesn't patronize a retail or food establishment it's not with an assumption that there is a moral or ethical disagreement. Generally speaking those who avoid a company due to this tell you and there's no reason to wonder.

I've yet to find someone, using your example of CFA, who chooses not to patronize CFA for reasons related to moral or ethical reasons who isn't okay with disclosing that, not all are going into large details into all what they find an issue but they make it known there's a disconnect in values/beliefs/stances, etc. That goes for other places such as workplace environments, wages, how the company money is spent (things like reviewing a company on Charity Navigator for example), environmental policies and practices and so on. If you're in a particular situation polite conversation would dictate you sidestep the particular topic altogether with a non-committal/non-response and move on to something else.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

We have male staff members at every craft store in town. I always see men there, and not just with women. Heck, my husband loves his projects. Tonight, he just finished refurbishing and antique Superman doll, with stuff he got at Michael’s and ebay.

Yeah that's the case for the stores I've been to, I can't say at every store in town because there's various locations but a few months back the person who was the cashier was male, when I was last at Hobby Lobby (admittedly last year) there were 2 male cashiers although one was in the training phase it seemed like.

I can't remember which one it was but my husband (without me, didn't even know he was doing it) went into one of those stores to get a grommet punch kit because he was making a DIY projection screen for his golf simulator set up in the basement and needed a way to connect two canvas drop clothes and have a way to tie them to the ceiling. People are sure underestimating the random stuff these places can offer.

 

[Mysterian]

People are free to avoid doing business with a company if they object to the beliefs are actions of the company or owners.
What I have an issue with is some people assume if you don't do business with a company, it is because you have that kind of issue with their actions or beliefs.
We don't go to Chick-Fil-A. We just don't like their food. And that is saying something because chicken is my wife's favorite food. She just thinks they do chicken wrong.

Yep. I should have added Chick-Fil-A to the poll.

 

[Nora03]

We only have Michaels where I live, and I’m probably there weekly. They currently have tons of decor items for the holidays. I bought a cute glass pumpkin with glitter lights inside it. It was way too expensive at $40, but I watched until they had it at buy one, get one free. Made a nice gift for a friend, and one for me. Wish I had bought more for gifts. They’re adorable. I also support the three small scrapbooking stores in my city, and shop online for craft supplies. Michaels just can’t carry all the stamp products from all the companies I like.

 

[tvguy]

Maybe I have been around a different group of people in my life but if it's brought up that someone doesn't patronize a retail or food establishment it's not with an assumption that there is a moral or ethical disagreement. Generally speaking those who avoid a company due to this tell you and there's no reason to wonder.

I've yet to find someone, using your example of CFA, who chooses not to patronize CFA for reasons related to moral or ethical reasons who isn't okay with disclosing that, not all are going into large details into all what they find an issue but they make it known there's a disconnect in values/beliefs/stances, etc. That goes for other places such as workplace environments, wages, how the company money is spent (things like reviewing a company on Charity Navigator for example), environmental policies and practices and so on. If you're in a particular situation polite conversation would dictate you sidestep the particular topic altogether with a non-committal/non-response and move on to something else.

I think you misunderstood me. My concern is people assuming I don't patronize them for the reasons you state.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I think you misunderstood me. My concern is people assuming I don't patronize them for the reasons you state.

No I didn't misunderstand but I can understand why.

What I was saying is that the people I've been around don't make these sort of assumptions because those who choose to not patronize for those reasons let them be known (sometimes brief sometimes in a lengthy way). If someone doesn't go to CFA (which I don't know too too many) they will say "I can't get behind their stance on..." as an example. Otherwise the default assumption is you don't like the food, the location, the busy aspect of a place, and any other number of reasons unrelated to moral or ethical reasons. Generally when people have strong passionate opinions they share them. And based on the CFA threads (or ones that devolve in them) people are just as passionate about the taste of the chicken as they are about the stigma the company faces

You're not around the right kind of people if they are assuming such things just by you saying you don't go to CFA (or any other company).

 

[Magical2017]

I'm the same way. I used to love scrapbooking, and I really enjoy looking at the books I've made, but I just don't find myself working on it lately. Maybe we need a challenge thread like the exercise ones on the W.I.S.H. board?

I usually go with my SIL for a weekend scrapbooking event. We stay at a hotel and scrap the weekend away, with a nice dinner planned as a break. Since COVID, we have not been going to the events.

 

[VandVsmama]

People are free to avoid doing business with a company if they object to the beliefs are actions of the company or owners.
What I have an issue with is some people assume if you don't do business with a company, it is because you have that kind of issue with their actions or beliefs.
We don't go to Chick-Fil-A. We just don't like their food. And that is saying something because chicken is my wife's favorite food. She just thinks they do chicken wrong.

Same here. I don't eat at Chick-Fil-A because I don't think their food is as amazing as some say it is.

 

[tvguy]

You're not around the right kind of people if they are assuming such things just by you saying you don't go to CFA (or any other company).

Maybe. Or too many are vegetarians.

 

[MamaBelle4]

I don't do Hobby Lobby for reasons mentioned by others in this thread.

I also don't do Chick-fil-A for ethical reasons but I don't find it difficult anyway because I had tried them before I was aware of their values and the food just is not good to me.

 

[Threehearts]

Never Hobby Lobby and absolutely for political reasons.

 

[ronandannette]

We have male staff members at every craft store in town. I always see men there, and not just with women. Heck, my husband loves his projects. Tonight, he just finished refurbishing and antique Superman doll, with stuff he got at Michael’s and ebay.

Not saying Michael's doesn't have any, but I have never, ever seen one. I will be paying particular attention for this on future trips.

 

[Nora03]

The Michaels I shop at has at least two males on staff. Saw them last week. One works in the frame department.

 

[easyas123]

My DH refers to craft supply stores as “estrogen stores.”

That’s hilarious and I don’t think he’s wrong!

 

[lowlight]

I didn’t have time to read the thread, did anyone take the bait? Next up, what’s the true meaning of Christmas, please keep politics and religion out of the discussion.

 

[Smugpugmug]

I didn’t have time to read the thread, did anyone take the bait? Next up, what’s the true meaning of Christmas, please keep politics and religion out of the discussion.

Surprisingly, no. If anything, someone mentioning Chick Fil A got more of a reaction than people saying they don't go to Hobby Lobby for moral and ethnical reasons.

 

[wenrob]

Really? Plenty? The only one of these stores we have here is Michael's and I shop there fairly often for cake decorating goods. I can honestly say the only men I've ever seen in there are carrying stuff for the woman they're with. And I have never, ever seen a male staff member.

I’d say the ratio of male to female employees at my Michael’s is 50/50. Probably 2/3 women vs 1/3 men as far as shopping for craft supplies but I see plenty of guys picking up stuff. In my experience (I was customer service at Michael’s for about a year) guys tend to know what they’re after, grab it and go while women tend to linger.

Optically I can see where the remark came from but it’s not a true assessment overall. I can also see why it rankled some because it gives the impression that guys don’t craft or that it’s a “girly” thing. Neither of which is true.

 

[easyas123]

Optically I can see where the remark came from but it’s not a true assessment overall. I can also see why it rankled some because it gives the impression that guys don’t craft or that it’s a “girly” thing. Neither of which is true.

I think it was meant as a joke. I'll go out on a limb and presume no one really thinks men don't craft.

 

[wenrob]

I think it was meant as a joke. I'll go out on a limb and presume no one really thinks men don't craft.

I know it was a joke but a couple people seemed a little off put by it. I was giving my take on why they might feel that way.

 

[MrsCobraBubbles]

neither. I prefer Joann Fabrics