Michael Jackson...role model?

[agame2323]

Speaking as a victim of sexual molestation at the hands of my uncle from ages 9 to 11 I can't tell you how it sickens me to see that an adult, and a mother could even say this
I really don't think I have anything further to say to a person like you.

Sorry to hear that. I can only hope you and your family did the best you could to protect others from your uncle.

...but of course, you would never want to be the sacrificial lamb. Please.

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

Settling out of court, apparently while not Jackson's idea, has strapped the label "GUILTY" across his forehead. No amount of money should suffice, if he really did do the crimes he was accused of. I wouldn't be happy if I knew that a child molester was on the loose. (FTR He is innocent in my eyes, just the victim of the greedy, money hungry people, who see an easy target.)


What just busts my chaps is that in the "Living With Michael Rebuttal Tapes" they mother of the cancer stricken child said that Michael was apart of their family, and that she was going to purse legal action against, MARTIN BASHIR, not Michael.

I can completely understand that families need for money, because treating cancer is VERY costly. But the fact that at that trial Michael wanted to settle in court, to prove his innocence, was an extremely good move.

My father and I were having a discussion about why Michael fled the country after being found innocent.

IMHO, he left because he felt betrayed and alone, and he wanted to get his children away from hearing all of the disgusting things being said about him. My father thinks that he should have just kept on touring to show he is innocent, but if it were me I wouldn't.

I would certainly feel betrayed, as if everyone in the world just turned away. He was already alone, but to loose the one thing he loved, his audience, I think just crushed him.

I also think that when the police stripped away at his Neverland Ranch something in him snapped. That was his home, his hideaway, his childhood, and the police were going through every personal belonging he had, for an allegation that was just ridiculous. It's like the Elvis song, "Do anything that you want to do, but lay off of my blue suede shoes." He could take the rumors, but he couldn't take people touching his things.

How could you live your life like nothing happened, after having to be completely naked for verification of your . After being accused of touching children inappropriately, after all you have given to help those in need.
I just couldn't do it anymore.

Sorry that was a long post...

 

[luvsJack]

First of all I never said I wouldn't feel guilty, I said I would be able to live with my decision because I would do what it takes to protect them before I do what it takes to protect others, especialy if that meant sacrificing my own child in anyway. Just as you would seek the best psychiatric help for your child, I would do the same. Just as you wouldn't proceed if that psychiatrist told you not too for the good of your child, I wouldn't either. I never said I wouldn't do what it took to get the monster behind bars and away from others, but not if it meant making my child the sacrficial lamb.

Ok, I understand what you are saying. I would not go against the advice of a psychologist to force my child to continue a court case; but my strongest hope would be that the psychologist would help my child continue to the end.

I think the biggest difference between what I am saying and what you and others are saying is that I would think first toward encouraging my child to see the case to the end and see their violator in prison. From what some of you are saying (and I may very well be putting words in your mouth), your first thought is of protecting and shielding your child. That is where my confusion comes from, I cannot imagine not thinking first of not only protecting my child but other children from this person also. (as I stated, I still think of the village too)

You mentioned in the case in the link that was posted that the girl testified and the man ended up living two doors down from her. Do you think it would have turned out better if she hadn't testified. Then he would still be two doors down and the child would feel completely powerless. Power is a wonderful thing and the most important thing that prevents someone from being a victim. Testifying against someone who violated you and seeing that person convicted gives you that power back.

 

[luvsJack]

Settling out of court, apparently while not Jackson's idea, has strapped the label "GUILTY" across his forehead. No amount of money should suffice, if he really did do the crimes he was accused of. I wouldn't be happy if I knew that a child molester was on the loose. (FTR He is innocent in my eyes, just the victim of the greedy, money hungry people, who see an easy target.)


What just busts my chaps is that in the "Living With Michael Rebuttal Tapes" they mother of the cancer stricken child said that Michael was apart of their family, and that she was going to purse legal action against, MARTIN BASHIR, not Michael.

I can completely understand that families need for money, because treating cancer is VERY costly. But the fact that at that trial Michael wanted to settle in court, to prove his innocence, was an extremely good move.

My father and I were having a discussion about why Michael fled the country after being found innocent.

IMHO, he left because he felt betrayed and alone, and he wanted to get his children away from hearing all of the disgusting things being said about him. My father thinks that he should have just kept on touring to show he is innocent, but if it were me I wouldn't.

I would certainly feel betrayed, as if everyone in the world just turned away. He was already alone, but to loose the one thing he loved, his audience, I think just crushed him.

I also think that when the police stripped away at his Neverland Ranch something in him snapped. That was his home, his hideaway, his childhood, and the police were going through every personal belonging he had, for an allegation that was just ridiculous. It's like the Elvis song, "Do anything that you want to do, but lay off of my blue suede shoes." He could take the rumors, but he couldn't take people touching his things.

How could you live your life like nothing happened, after having to be completely naked for verification of your . After being accused of touching children inappropriately, after all you have given to help those in need.
I just couldn't do it anymore.

Sorry that was a long post...

I agree. I believe he was innocent and he was the one who was humilated and violated. Of course he left the country, anyone would after all he went through.

Who is Martin Bashir?

 

[agame2323]

Okay, in closing I would like to apologize to those I may have offended. I mentioned in my very first reply that I was going to indeed offend some. Sorry?

I feel as though I have said enough and left people with something to think about, which was my only intent from the beginning. Your views are your views. Your beliefs are your beliefs. I respect what each individual has added to this topic, which I still believe is pointless and only brings out ignorance in ALL of us. But it was interesting…in a pointless sort of way.

My part is complete. I think I have manage to get through to some people regarding the issue of money and how it is to be viewed and utilized when dealing with the welfare of a child. My stance is still the same and I still believe some of you have very disturbing communal morals(yes, there is a such thing as communal morals). Some of you are just down right selfish and greedy and could care less about your neighbor or their well-being and this demonstrated in some of the replies given on the topic. But that’s why the world is the way it is….isn’t it? We all look at things in a different fashion and I have no choice but to live with it. I just pray I don’t have to live in a neighborhood with some of you.

But going forward, I wish you peace and success in all that you do. It’s been a pleasure.


BTW…
RaysnKaysmom…easy on the name calling. I may have upset some people but I never called them names. It goes to show the classless person you are if you must resort to that.

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

I agree. I believe he was innocent and he was the one who was humilated and violated. Of course he left the country, anyone would after all he went through.

Who is Martin Bashir?

He did an interview called "Living With Michael" in which he wrongly portrayed Michael, and twisted everything he said. Hence the rebuttle tapes, in which we find out that Bashir was a two faced and a lier...

 

[sbell111]

RaysnKaysmom…easy on the name calling. I may have upset some people but I never called them names. It goes to show the classless person you are if you must resort to that.

Kinda ironic that you call someone a name in a post where you state that you don't call people names. The fact is, for the last few pages of this thread, you have been very rude to several people. You have, in fact, showed absolutely no respect for any one else's position. If someone disagreed with you, you returned it in rudeness.

 

[raysnkaysmom]

<~have learned from this thread that this Agame person really knows how to push buttons, and I beleive I've finally learned what a troll is after all these years here.
Some valid points from Agame? Sure... but to belittle and continue on is ridiculous and uncalled for. A few agree with you, most disagree... must you truly quote every single post and argue with it to try to force others to chime in? This is a senstive issue, and you started a popcorn thread from post one, intentionally to force your opinion on others without having an open mind that others will disagree. Of course, you pretend to say its ok that they disagree by making condenscending remarks to them. I'm a fan of sarcasm, but not at the cost of criticizing someones beliefs on how they would take care of their own children should this horrific situation happen.


ETA - I know you didn't start this thread, but your first post on it seems to be a one-sided debate.

Okay, in closing I would like to apologize to those I may have offended. I mentioned in my very first reply that I was going to indeed offend some. Sorry?

I feel as though I have said enough and left people with something to think about, which was my only intent from the beginning. Your views are your views. Your beliefs are your beliefs. I respect what each individual has added to this topic, which I still believe is pointless and only brings out ignorance in ALL of us. But it was interesting…in a pointless sort of way.

My part is complete. I think I have manage to get through to some people regarding the issue of money and how it is to be viewed and utilized when dealing with the welfare of a child. My stance is still the same and I still believe some of you have very disturbing communal morals(yes, there is a such thing as communal morals). Some of you are just down right selfish and greedy and could care less about your neighbor or their well-being and this demonstrated in some of the replies given on the topic. But that’s why the world is the way it is….isn’t it? We all look at things in a different fashion and I have no choice but to live with it. I just pray I don’t have to live in a neighborhood with some of you.

But going forward, I wish you peace and success in all that you do. It’s been a pleasure.


BTW…
RaysnKaysmom…easy on the name calling. I may have upset some people but I never called them names. It goes to show the classless person you are if you must resort to that.

If being labeled a troll offends you, you might want to hold back on your verbage throughout other threads... I try my best not to belittle people or their opinions, especially time after pointless time. To be called classless by someone who treats others with sarcasm and lack of respect doesn't bother me.

 

[DisneyBlonde]

x-posted from another MJ thread...I didn't watch, but just read that Joe Jackson was on Good Morning America this morning:


Meanwhile, Joe Jackson told ABC that he and his wife, Katherine, should have custody of Michael's three children. "They'll grow up to be strong Jacksons," he said. He said Michael's daughter, Paris, who spoke at the Tuesday memorial service, was taking the death hard and was crying whenever Michael's name is mentioned. He said that she might have a future in the entertainment business along with the youngest son, nicknamed Blanket, who "can really dance."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710/..._investigation


I really hope he doesn't get his hands on those kids.

 

[luvsJack]

x-posted from another MJ thread...I didn't watch, but just read that Joe Jackson was on Good Morning America this morning:


Meanwhile, Joe Jackson told ABC that he and his wife, Katherine, should have custody of Michael's three children. "They'll grow up to be strong Jacksons," he said. He said Michael's daughter, Paris, who spoke at the Tuesday memorial service, was taking the death hard and was crying whenever Michael's name is mentioned. He said that she might have a future in the entertainment business along with the youngest son, nicknamed Blanket, who "can really dance."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710/..._investigation


I really hope he doesn't get his hands on those kids.

OMG!! Me too! Surely the other Jackson siblings will step in and try to stop that. Most of the brothers are no longer in the limelight; any of them would be so much of a better choice than the parents.

 

[Elvistelth]

ROLE MODEL???????


Be serious.

 

[momrek06]

x-posted from another MJ thread...I didn't watch, but just read that Joe Jackson was on Good Morning America this morning:


Meanwhile, Joe Jackson told ABC that he and his wife, Katherine, should have custody of Michael's three children. "They'll grow up to be strong Jacksons," he said. He said Michael's daughter, Paris, who spoke at the Tuesday memorial service, was taking the death hard and was crying whenever Michael's name is mentioned. He said that she might have a future in the entertainment business along with the youngest son, nicknamed Blanket, who "can really dance."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710/..._investigation


I really hope he doesn't get his hands on those kids.

Joe is an idiot. Always looking to be in the limelight whatever it takes. Fans are still disgusted over his annoucement of HIS new record company while standing in front of MJ's mansion WHILE the fans were awaiting news of when and where the funeral was to be. IDIOT.

Plus, Joe lives in Vegas and Katherine is here in Encino. Saying that Katherine and he should have custody....WRONG! Katherine YES, you, go away, Joe.

I bet Joe Jackson could not even give you his grandchildren's names if he was asked to.

RIP, Michael. We all miss you.

 

[luvmy3]

Ok, I understand what you are saying. I would not go against the advice of a psychologist to force my child to continue a court case; but my strongest hope would be that the psychologist would help my child continue to the end.

I think the biggest difference between what I am saying and what you and others are saying is that I would think first toward encouraging my child to see the case to the end and see their violator in prison. From what some of you are saying (and I may very well be putting words in your mouth), your first thought is of protecting and shielding your child. That is where my confusion comes from, I cannot imagine not thinking first of not only protecting my child but other children from this person also. (as I stated, I still think of the village too)


In all honesty my first choice would be to see the monster dead, the second castrated and thrown in prison and let someone do to him what he did to any child he may touched, except 100 times worse. A settlement would be the last thing I would want, but it wouldn't be about me, or any other child that the monster may touch, it would be about my child. I would hope that they would be strong enough to even trust someone enough to tell them what is going on, preferbly me, what was going on and we could take it from there. I could never force my child to do something they weren't ready to because of my feelings or because the scumbag may do the same to another, I could only hope with therapy and encouragement that they could. If it turned out they couldn't, I would do whatever was left for me to do to punish and a settlement may just be the only way, legally

You mentioned in the case in the link that was posted that the girl testified and the man ended up living two doors down from her. Do you think it would have turned out better if she hadn't testified. Then he would still be two doors down and the child would feel completely powerless. Power is a wonderful thing and the most important thing that prevents someone from being a victim. Testifying against someone who violated you and seeing that person convicted gives you that power back.

I'm not sure if she'd be better off. I believe she is a courageuos little girl to be able to testify and get him put behind bars. I do believe she was able to take some of her power back from him because of that. ON the otherhand, she now has to live with him 2 doors down knowing he is back and probably terrified that he may seek some sort of revenge. I'm betting she may feel powerless because of that. I think she probably feels that she can no longer trust the adults in her life and the judicial system and god forbid he does seek his revenge, she may see it as pointless to tell anyone because I can guarantee that if he was to do it again he would use that angle with her.
So, if it went to court and there was some sort of plea and it didn't come to her having to testify maybe he would have been forced to move to another area as a regsitered sex offender and she'd be better off. I really don't know. All I can say that if it it were my dd, I would move away.

 

[luvmy3]

Okay, in closing I would like to apologize to those I may have offended. I mentioned in my very first reply that I was going to indeed offend some. Sorry?

I feel as though I have said enough and left people with something to think about, which was my only intent from the beginning. Your views are your views. Your beliefs are your beliefs. I respect what each individual has added to this topic, which I still believe is pointless and only brings out ignorance in ALL of us. But it was interesting…in a pointless sort of way.

My part is complete. I think I have manage to get through to some people regarding the issue of money and how it is to be viewed and utilized when dealing with the welfare of a child. My stance is still the same and I still believe some of you have very disturbing communal morals(yes, there is a such thing as communal morals). Some of you are just down right selfish and greedy and could care less about your neighbor or their well-being and this demonstrated in some of the replies given on the topic. But that’s why the world is the way it is….isn’t it? We all look at things in a different fashion and I have no choice but to live with it. I just pray I don’t have to live in a neighborhood with some of you.

But going forward, I wish you peace and success in all that you do. It’s been a pleasure.


BTW…
RaysnKaysmom…easy on the name calling. I may have upset some people but I never called them names. It goes to show the classless person you are if you must resort to that.

The last thing you have given or earned here is respect.

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

Be kind to one another, it isn't worth it to be rude.
It doesn't get you guys anywhere, love one another, and respect each other.
Do on to others as you would like to have done to you.

 

[luvmy3]

Be kind to one another, it isn't worth it to be rude.
It doesn't get you guys anywhere, love one another, and respect each other.
Do on to others as you would like to have done to you.

Oh trust me, I am being kind

 

[Cool-Beans]

Michael Jackson, who dubbed himself "The king of pop" and refused to do interviews with anyone who wouldn't call him that, was a freaky-weird man.

He mutilated his face. He changed himself into being white. The BEST thing that could be said about his activity with children is that he slept with them, which is strange enough in and of itself. He even made his voice weird. Then there was that business about sleeping in that tent and who knows what all else.

Not for all the money in the world would I want my kid to end up like that. He was a nutjob and could only be considered a role model to people who were even more nuts than he was.

 

[Elvistelth]

He even contacted the tabloids himself to stay in the public eye; then he would pretend to be annoyed by the coverage.

 

[teacups]

He even contacted the tabloids himself to stay in the public eye; then he would pretend to be annoyed by the coverage.

I bet a LOT of hollywoods do that exact same thing. And where ever you heard that probably was a tabloid anyway, so.....

Role Model? In some areas maybe (passion and drive for his gift), all around, no.
Pedophile? No again.

The Bashir interview is on youtube in 10 parts. Each is less than 10 minutes (I think). I watched it with a very open mind and I DO NOT think he was a pedo. In it he says children want to be touched, and OMG people JUMP to SEXUAL in nature when that was SO NOT what he was saying. He is saying families have fallen apart and anyone with any wits can see that is true. Some people are vultures and sharks just sniffing for blood so they can rip something to shreds.

I'm sorry to see this thread is so nasty. Why do people have to get like that?
Have an opinion... but have a heart too. These fellow Dis'rs are people not just tags and user names.

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

Michael Jackson, who dubbed himself "The king of pop" and refused to do interviews with anyone who wouldn't call him that, was a freaky-weird man.

He mutilated his face. He changed himself into being white. The BEST thing that could be said about his activity with children is that he slept with them, which is strange enough in and of itself. He even made his voice weird. Then there was that business about sleeping in that tent and who knows what all else.

Not for all the money in the world would I want my kid to end up like that. He was a nutjob and could only be considered a role model to people who were even more nuts than he was.

Well then call me nuts and throw me in an insane asylum.
First of all the man had a skin disease. My sister has it, and I know the damage it can cause to the skin.
Second of all he was never accepted by anyone, he was constantly teased about his acne, and he was never shown the love he deserved. He changed his face because he was in a fire, that nearly killed him.
I think you would feel scarred after an incident like that too.
Sorry but how did he make his voice "weird?"
And last time I checked there are many a parent who sleep with their children, I didn't know it was a punishable offense to console your children when they have a nightmare.

He even contacted the tabloids himself to stay in the public eye; then he would pretend to be annoyed by the coverage.

You have no proof that he did that.

I bet a LOT of hollywoods do that exact same thing. And where ever you heard that probably was a tabloid anyway, so.....

Role Model? In some areas maybe (passion and drive for his gift), all around, no.
Pedophile? No again.

The Bashir interview is on youtube in 10 parts. Each is less than 10 minutes (I think). I watched it with a very open mind and I DO NOT think he was a pedo. In it he says children want to be touched, and OMG people JUMP to SEXUAL in nature when that was SO NOT what he was saying. He is saying families have fallen apart and anyone with any wits can see that is true. Some people are vultures and sharks just sniffing for blood so they can rip something to shreds.

I'm sorry to see this thread is so nasty. Why do people have to get like that?
Have an opinion... but have a heart too. These fellow Dis'rs are people not just tags and user names.

ITA with you, and everything they said .