Medals Don't Make a President

TandJ61574

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Interesting article in Time Magazine by Charles Krauthammer

Medals Don't Make a President
Heroic military service doesn't always translate into wise leadership at the top


Monday, Feb. 16, 2004

In the middle of a war — or is it a war? — almost an entire Presidential briefing is taken up with the question of how many times a 26-year-old George W. Bush showed up in Alabama for National Guard duty more than 30 years ago.

Crazy. There is not the slightest doubt that if, say, John Edwards were the Democratic front runner, the issue would be considered an irrelevance. Indeed, during the months when Howard Dean was the front runner, it never came up. It comes up now only because the Democrats have providentially made John Kerry, war hero, their presumptive nominee.

For 2 1/2 years since 9/11, the Democrats have been adrift on national security. With Kerry, they have finally stumbled their way onto an answer: "We still have no answer, but we have a man with an unimpeachable military record. What have you got?"

The Democrats want to make the issue one of biography. It is, after all, no contest. Kerry has his Vietnam medals; Bush can barely produce his National Guard pay stubs.

Two years ago, biography was not enough. The Democrats got slaughtered in that election campaign because the President had a plan for the post-Sept. 11 world — a forward strategy of war abroad and homeland-security reorganization at home — and the Democrats had nothing.

Democratic Senator Max Cleland, another genuine war hero, was defeated in Georgia after he and other Senate Democrats had held up the establishment of the Homeland Security Department because of union rules. Democrats bitterly complained that Cleland's patriotism had been questioned. But it was not a matter of patriotism; it was a matter of seriousness: when crazed jihadists are flying airplanes into American buildings, the usual rules — including union rules — are suspended.

The Democrats simply did not understand that. They lost big. In 2002, past heroism was not enough. In 2004, it might just be. Why? Because Sept. 11 is fading.

The memory is still present enough in the national consciousness that the country demands someone minimally serious about national security. Dean collapsed because when people took a close look at him, he failed the midnight, red-phone, finger-on-the-button test. But the memory of Sept. 11 is now distant enough that, unlike in 2002, biography alone might be enough to meet the "seriousness" test.

Lucky for the Democrats. It is hard to see what Kerry has to offer beyond biography. The issue of our time is the war on terrorism. Bush's strategy throws out the old playbook on terrorism — the cops-and-robbers, law-and-order strategy of arrest and trial followed by complacency — and takes the war to the enemy. Kerry says terrorism is "primarily an intelligence and law-enforcement operation" — precisely the misconception that had us waking up on Sept. 12 realizing that while the enemy was preparing for war, we were preparing legal briefs for grand juries.

And where did Kerry stand on the most critical national-security questions of the past two decades? In 1991 he voted against the Gulf War, which he now says he was in favor of. Twelve years later, he voted in favor of the Iraq war, which he now tells us he was against. Then he voted against the $87 billion for reconstruction and troop support while telling us that of course he supports both the reconstruction and the troops.

War hero he is. But a man of so many pirouettes hardly inspires confidence as a resolute President. That should not surprise us. The very idea that national service, even heroic service, necessarily correlates with great presidential leadership is simply irrational. By that logic, Douglas MacArthur would have made a great President. By that logic, Ulysses S. Grant was a great President. (It's not just an American phenomenon: the most decorated veteran in Israel's history, Ehud Barak, was a disastrous Prime Minister.) Even more impressive is the fact that two of the greatest war Presidents in American history — Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt — had military backgrounds that make Bush's look distinguished: Lincoln, minimal (less than half a year of militia duty); Roosevelt, none.

Kerry tells his campaign audiences how, as a returning Vietnam vet, he stood up to the waste and carnage and injustice of what he calls "Nixon's war." All true, except for one inconvenient fact. The man who got us into Vietnam — committing what is arguably the most egregious presidential misjudgment of the 20th century — was not Nixon. It was Kerry's political hero, John F. Kennedy: Ivy League, U.S. Navy, decorated officer whose wartime valor propelled him to Massachusetts Senator and then Democratic candidate for President of the United States. Sound familiar? So much for biography.
 
Being a coward doesn't make a president either.
 
Originally posted by MosMom
Being a coward doesn't make a president either.

A coward? Come on now. President Bush isn't the first Baby Boomer President to not go to Vietnam.
 
Originally posted by MosMom
Being a coward doesn't make a president either.

What does this mean? Are you saying our President is a coward?
 

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That is all I need to say...
 
And the point of this is exactly what :confused: . Some war heros make good leaders, some don't; some war protesters make good leaders, some don't; some draft dodgers make good leaders, some don't; and on and on :rolleyes: .
 
Originally posted by CEDmom
And the point of this is exactly what :confused: . Some war heros make good leaders, some don't; some war protesters make good leaders, some don't; some draft dodgers make good leaders, some don't; and on and on :rolleyes: .

If you had read the article CEDmom you would see that the point that is trying to be made is that the only thing Kerry has going for him is his medals.

(and from what I hear even his medals are being questioned)
 
Wha......???? :confused: Krauthammer, long-time proponent of the extreme neo-conservative right and prolific Democratic Party basher actually wrote an article attempting to deride John Kerry's candidacy? Shocking, I tell you, shocking!! Next thing you know, Rush Limbaugh will come out in support of George Bush! What is this world coming to?
 
Originally posted by TandJ61574
If you had read the article CEDmom you would see that the point that is trying to be made is that the only thing Kerry has going for him is his medals.

(and from what I hear even his medals are being questioned)

What makes you think I didn't read it? The point I was trying to make is a candidates war record or lack thereof is not criteria on which I and a great many other Americans cast our vote.
 
President Bush isn't the first Baby Boomer President to not go to Vietnam.

Yes and he's not the first President to worm his way out of serving either.

If my memory serves me correctly, still to this day conservatives are *****ing about President Clinton and his avoidance of service. I think it's only fair that Bush's non-existent service is just as scrutinized.

point that is trying to be made is that the only thing Kerry has going for him is his medals.

From what I read it's one person's opinion and nothing more. I can't see where this ultra conservative extremist has done anything to warrant respecting or paying attention to his opinon.

Hell, I could post a thousand anti-Bush articles from liberals who are not nearly so extreme as this guy is.
 
Leadership is the important factor, not how many medals someone has because, unfortunately, at times medals are given to those that don't deserve them.

My father and two of my brothers served in the same unit during the Persian Gulf War. (Yep, same unit, everyone says that's not something that's allowed but I don't know what to tell you, they did it, lol). They fired the big guns so the closest they came to the front was a mile back (firing points are radioed to them). They only fought in a couple of battles in total. Their commanding officer was given a silver star for his participation in these battles. I'm sorry but I never thought he deserved a silver star for his actions there. (BTW, I live in a VERY small town as does their former commanding officer, both of us have lived here many years, I like the man, his son is my dd's age and I even like his kid, it's not personal at all) There was nothing exemplatory in his actions, he never faced incredible danger, mostly he sat out in the dessert, along with his men waiting to come home. And he got a silver star for it. Made me realize that you can't always lay stock in the medals a man has. Some men deserve them and don't get them (Last I heard Patrick Miller had only received a bronze star for his, what? 9 kills? at the very beginning of this war while others who had performed less bravely received greater accolades) and some men get them and don't deserve them.

I want a good leader for my country and I will look at leadership ability in this race. Medals received on either side probably wouldn't hold much weight with me unless the circumstances in which they were earned held weight with me. Just my opinion.
 
You're right....medals don't make a president.

But then again neither does telling lies that resulted in the deaths of over 1000 coalition troops (more than 900 of them are US soldiers) and THOUSANDS of dead Iraquis.
 
But then again neither does telling lies that resulted in the deaths

Man, that would be horrible! If that ever happens, I hope we find out about it........
 
If my memory serves me correctly, still to this day conservatives are *****ing about President Clinton and his avoidance of service. I think it's only fair that Bush's non-existent service is just as scrutinized.

Clinton dodged the draft by first lying and saying he was entering ROTC, and then he left the country. Bush joined the National Guard. BIG DIFFERENCE. Bush served his country, Clinton lied and then fled.
 
Originally posted by Galahad
A coward? Come on now. President Bush isn't the first Baby Boomer President to not go to Vietnam.

President Bush IS the first Baby Boomer president.
John Kerry cannot be the second Baby Boomer only because he was born between 1946 and 1964.

The really interesting thing here is simply that if President Bush had volunteered for Viet Nam service and John Kerry had joined the National Guard to minimize the risk of combat service, both political sides would be arguing each others points.
Service here isn't really the issue.

The issue is simply, "I like Bush" or "I like Kerry".

I like Kerry!

But I don't feel it is necessary to argue the lack of President Bush combat service.

::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes::
 
Originally posted by Bobbles
President Bush IS the first Baby Boomer president.

President Clinton was the first Baby Boomer president. It was a big deal actually. He was born in 1946. If John Kerry was born after 1946 then he will be the third Baby Boomer president
 
I prefer Bush myself, but right now I cannot wait until this election is over. So Much B*******T.

Funny thing though people at work were discussing how things will change when Kerry is in office so I went up to them and said:

Image skipping up with a ruler pretending to be a wand " I'm now in office so everything will be perfect, no more war, taxes, prescription drugs for the elderly problems, unemployment, etc, etc. " and wave my wand.
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I thought they were going to lose it completely. I think I been on these boards too much. Spontaneous reaction. Not even sure where that came from.
 















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