McCain Vs. Obama

[BelleBoo&AmisMum]

Discuss.

 

[chobie]

Ok let's see.


Obama = pro-choice, for heath care reform, against the war.

McCain = the opposite of Obama.

Works for me.

 

[EMom]

Obama = pro-choice, for heath care reform, against the war.

That sounds good, until I balance it against his fondness for friendships with ministers (and Heaven knows who else will surface?) who seem to have a real beef against "Whitey." The latest one (Catholic priest) who went on a rant about Hillary feeling entitled to the nomination because she was White, made me ask......."Just what makes Obama feel so entitled?" Yes, he's ahead a few delegates and will almost certainly win, but it's very close. Where does his sense of entitlement come from?

No, I'm not voting for McCain. But this freshest bit of nastiness from the pulpit of Obama's church once again backs up my uneasy feeling that he is only pretending to want to unite ALL of us. It's an act. His true feelings can be seen when you watch his fellow church members jump to their feet and cheer every time someone launches into a rant against White people.

I don't know how many times people have to see this scene played out over and over with different characters before they get a clue. It's right there in front of our faces, plain as day, and it's not pretty. If Obama becomes President, race relations in this country will be set back at least 30 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

 

[Master Mason]

Lets see, one of them wants to take my money away and waste it one way, another wants to take even more away and waste it a completely diffferent way.

ETA: Obama quit his "church" yesterday, because he was getting smeared too badly by what they were doing, that was interesting.

 

[breezy1077]

McCain - Pro
BO - Con


Are ya proud of me PD?

 

[disneyjunkie]

That sounds good, until I balance it against his fondness for friendships with ministers (and Heaven knows who else will surface?) who seem to have a real beef against "Whitey." The latest one (Catholic priest) who went on a rant about Hillary feeling entitled to the nomination because she was White, made me ask......."Just what makes Obama feel so entitled?" Yes, he's ahead a few delegates and will almost certainly win, but it's very close. Where does his sense of entitlement come from?

No, I'm not voting for McCain. But this freshest bit of nastiness from the pulpit of Obama's church once again backs up my uneasy feeling that he is only pretending to want to unite ALL of us. It's an act. His true feelings can be seen when you watch his fellow church members jump to their feet and cheer every time someone launches into a rant against White people.

I don't know how many times people have to see this scene played out over and over with different characters before they get a clue. It's right there in front of our faces, plain as day, and it's not pretty. If Obama becomes President, race relations in this country will be set back at least 30 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

Set back???

 

[KoolAid]

That sounds good, until I balance it against his fondness for friendships with ministers (and Heaven knows who else will surface?) who seem to have a real beef against "Whitey." The latest one (Catholic priest) who went on a rant about Hillary feeling entitled to the nomination because she was White, made me ask......."Just what makes Obama feel so entitled?" Yes, he's ahead a few delegates and will almost certainly win, but it's very close. Where does his sense of entitlement come from?

No, I'm not voting for McCain. But this freshest bit of nastiness from the pulpit of Obama's church once again backs up my uneasy feeling that he is only pretending to want to unite ALL of us. It's an act. His true feelings can be seen when you watch his fellow church members jump to their feet and cheer every time someone launches into a rant against White people.

I don't know how many times people have to see this scene played out over and over with different characters before they get a clue. It's right there in front of our faces, plain as day, and it's not pretty. If Obama becomes President, race relations in this country will be set back at least 30 years.

So, you don't like him because of what OTHER people said and OTHER people did? Is that right? He's not said or done those things, to the contrary he's stated he thinks they are wrong, but still you proclaim him guilty? If that's the case, it says a lot more negative things about you.

 

[Master Mason]

So, you don't like him because of what OTHER people said and OTHER people did? Is that right? He's not said or done those things, to the contrary he's stated he thinks they are wrong, but still you proclaim him guilty? If that's the case, it says a lot more negative things about you.

Not disagreeing with you, but Bush has been being fried for 8 years for what others have said. When you put yourself in the possition you also get to account for those you chose to associate with.

 

[Christine]

So, you don't like him because of what OTHER people said and OTHER people did? Is that right? He's not said or done those things, to the contrary he's stated he thinks they are wrong, but still you proclaim him guilty? If that's the case, it says a lot more negative things about you.

Hey, I'm more for Obama than McCain and I *know* that Obama didn't say those things. But when he is aligning himself with people who are extremely racial, then I do worry. If he is as neutral as he claims to be, I don't think he would want to attend churches that are led by men who hate. I certainly understand the frustration that these pastors may feel about the lack of equality over the many years, but preaching hatred and having an "us against them" mentality is not the way to work the mess out.

So, yes, it does make me a bit nervous if he has truly stood beside these people for years. It would also rattle me if a white candidate was found to be attending churches with pastors who are so against other races and get some thrill over "getting over" on that race.

 

[skater]

Lets see, one of them wants to take my money away and waste it one way, another wants to take even more away and waste it a completely diffferent way.

ETA: Obama quit his "church" yesterday, because he was getting smeared too badly by what they were doing, that was interesting.

I agree about the taking away money. I'm so frustrated with the "choice" we have in Nov. I am a registered democrat, but have grown very conservative while raising my family. Still, I might have voted for Hilary - I guess my feminist roots came back a little in my feelings for her. And I'm not real fond of McCain. But there's something about Obama that makes me a little uneasy. I'm especially concerned about his interest in sitting down and talking with leaders of countries like Iran. It seems a little like Jimmy Carter chatting with Hamas to me.

 

[ksumn1]

I think that if Obama is elected it will be a big step toward racial equality in this country ...for most. But for those who are narrow minded and bigoted it will only make them more upset and agressive. And I hate to say it, but I think there are more of those people (even in government) out there than we think. I live in a very small town in the south where many people who would vote for Hilary will NOT in a million years vote for Obama. They would rather vote for McCain instead. I don't necessarily agree with it, but nevertheless, it's true. I really belive that race is a huge issue in this election, like it or not. And for Obama to win the election, minorities will need to come out in force to the polls. I also believe that getting the Hilary supporters to support Obama will be another major step in winning the election. I personally still support Hilary (even though the ship is sinking fast) and haven't decided what to do when she leaves the race. Most likely, I'll vote for Obama since I am a democrat and my views are more closely aligned with his stance on the war, abortion and the economy. I'm just sceptical (sp) if he can do all he says he can as President. Especailly since there's alot of back scratching and political posturing that goes on that he may not be as well versed in as McCain or Hilary. But that's not neccessarily a bad thing, as he his campaign seem to be based on his not being as much of a "politico" as the other candidates.

That's my .02

 

[bimshire]

But there's something about Obama that makes me a little uneasy. I'm especially concerned about his interest in sitting down and talking with leaders of countries like Iran. It seems a little like Jimmy Carter chatting with Hamas to me.

That means you believe in the same failed policies of "shock & awe," "4 plus decades of restrictions on Cubans," "It's our way or the highway," and pre-emptive wars.

America would be respected and stronger if we knew that there is strength in DIPLOMACY.

 

[Master Mason]

That means you believe in the same failed policies of "shock & awe," "4 plus decades of restrictions on Cubans," "It's our way or the highway," and pre-emptive wars.

America would be respected and stronger if we knew that there is strength in DIPLOMACY.

Maybe respected, but not stronger, we are our strongest when we are doing what is in our best interests, and not being worried about what anyone else thinks. We weren't much worried about Diplomacy when we won the revolution, when we won the french and indian war, when the north won the war between the states, when we won WWI and WWII etc.

Diplomacy gave us such great feats as Korea, Vietnam, the Iran Hostage situation etc.

As for Cuba, they siezed all of the US property in the country before we instituted the sanctions which remain in place. If they people of cuba wish to have them removed, all they need to do is over throw their governement and give us our property back

 

[momto2girls]

That sounds good, until I balance it against his fondness for friendships with ministers (and Heaven knows who else will surface?) who seem to have a real beef against "Whitey." The latest one (Catholic priest) who went on a rant about Hillary feeling entitled to the nomination because she was White, made me ask......."Just what makes Obama feel so entitled?" Yes, he's ahead a few delegates and will almost certainly win, but it's very close. Where does his sense of entitlement come from?

No, I'm not voting for McCain. But this freshest bit of nastiness from the pulpit of Obama's church once again backs up my uneasy feeling that he is only pretending to want to unite ALL of us. It's an act. His true feelings can be seen when you watch his fellow church members jump to their feet and cheer every time someone launches into a rant against White people.

I don't know how many times people have to see this scene played out over and over with different characters before they get a clue. It's right there in front of our faces, plain as day, and it's not pretty. If Obama becomes President, race relations in this country will be set back at least 30 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

I agree. I'm amazed that some people think that Obama will be The Great Uniter. I think that if he becomes president, the divisions will be worse than ever.

 

[KoolAid]

Hey, I'm more for Obama than McCain and I *know* that Obama didn't say those things. But when he is aligning himself with people who are extremely racial, then I do worry. If he is as neutral as he claims to be, I don't think he would want to attend churches that are led by men who hate. I certainly understand the frustration that these pastors may feel about the lack of equality over the many years, but preaching hatred and having an "us against them" mentality is not the way to work the mess out.

So, yes, it does make me a bit nervous if he has truly stood beside these people for years. It would also rattle me if a white candidate was found to be attending churches with pastors who are so against other races and get some thrill over "getting over" on that race.

Does he really seem like the kind of person who would find the outlandish behavior in those few clips acceptable though? Other than skin color, I'm not seeing a commonality between him and the preacher, or the people we've seen wailing away in the congregation. He's said when he joined 20 years ago it was because of the community work he was doing. I have no doubt that many of those he was trying to help were members and others there we're a good source of support. I have no doubt that support was mighty useful when it came to his local government career too. I just don't think that spiritually and inspiration was his only reason for being there.

 

[KoolAid]

I agree. I'm amazed that some people think that Obama will be The Great Uniter. I think that if he becomes president, the divisions will be worse than ever.

People have to want to be united. People have to be willing to compromise. Are you?

 

[Master Mason]

Does he really seem like the kind of person who would find the outlandish behavior in those few clips acceptable though? Other than skin color, I'm not seeing a commonality between him and the preacher, or the people we've seen wailing away in the congregation. He's said when he joined 20 years ago it was because of the community work he was doing. I have no doubt that many of those he was trying to help were members and others there we're a good source of support. I have no doubt that support was mighty useful when it came to his local government career too. I just don't think that spiritually and inspiration was his only reason for being there.

If you join something and belong for 20 years, that means you support the organization, you may not agree with everything they say or do, but you do agree with more than not, or you wouldn't have stuck around for 20 years.

As the PP said, if a white candidate belonged to a church that had a preacher that had a stated belief in supporting a particular race, that white candidate would be blasted to kindom come. You can't have it both ways, if it is wrong for one side, then it is wrong for the other.

And just to be clear, I don't like any of the 3 left in the race at all.

 

[EMom]

So, you don't like him because of what OTHER people said and OTHER people did? Is that right? He's not said or done those things, to the contrary he's stated he thinks they are wrong, but still you proclaim him guilty? If that's the case, it says a lot more negative things about you.

There is a very good reason you are judged by the company you CHOOSE to keep. It says a lot about you. When I watch his congregation (Excuse me, FORMER congregation, as he conveniently quit the church in the nick of time ) I see a bunch of hate-filled, resentful people who are just itching for a chance to stick it to The Man. And I'm not so certain that "The Man" doesn't equal "anyone White" as far as they are concerned.

Those OTHER people you speak of are HIS church, his friends, his advisor, and the people he has most closely identified himself with morally and ethically. So DUH.....Yes, the trash that comes from that pulpit and the congregation's enthusiastic response to it speaks volumes about Obama's true self, as far as I'm concerned. I don't give a rat's hiney what he says on his stump speeches. THIS sort of thing tells me much more about him and I don't like what I see. He wouldn't be the first politician to say one thing and do another. I have to wonder if HE has that same resentment..... Well, if you're angry at that much of America, you can't expect to unite it.

And yes, I believe his election will set back race relations. It's already started. This business of "one race can say something, but not the other" is already getting on my nerves and I don't welcome 4 years of ultra-political correctness. One example is when Obama used the term "typical White person." If Clinton or McCain had said "typical Black person" all hell would have broken loose. Why? Why does Obama get a pass to say things that a White candidate cannot? It seems his much-wanted "dialogue" on race relations only runs one way....His way. Why is it fair to point out that Clinton pulled in the majority of the White vote in West Virginia and ask if that was racially motivated, but the media won't touch Obama pulling in 90% of the Black vote in North Carolina and ask if there's any racial motivation for that? Clinton got much less WV White vote than Obama's NC Black vote. If we're going to talk about one, let's talk about both. But noooooo. One of those topics is off limits. I'm already tired of it. I don't want to have to pussyfoot around for the duration of his presidency.

As a previous poster said, I'm disturbed by his church's rabid "us against them" belief system. Since I'm "them," it does make me uneasy....naturally. And "us against them" will surely set back race relations. I remember the days before desegregation and the days after. I've seen both sides of it. I don't like the direction I see this heading. Not because I'm a bigot as so many assume about anyone who is wary of Obama, but because I know just how far we have come and I don't want to see us go back. The road here was too long and hard for a setback. It would be nice if I could believe Obama was all about "us" as in "all of us," but the evidence just keeps piling up that it's "us against them."

And that is another pathetic aspect of this. Anyone who won't vote for him is called racist, even if we're afraid he's a racist and that's what we want to avoid for America. How ironic that voters who are uneasy that a candidate is selling us a bill of goods and may just have serious issues with White Americans, and therefore would not make a good president are the ones being called racist? These are also the very voters who would not vote for a candidate they felt had negative feelings about Black Americans because that person would not make a good president. So those of us who remember the days before desegregation and sense pot-stirring ahead do not want to vote for him because we've BTDT and we've had enough. I see a neon light blinking and I'm avoiding it. That's my right and it does not make me racist. It makes me wary.

I would have had no trouble voting for a Black man or woman for president. But not THIS one. We should be able to reject Obama just as we would any other candidate. If we have to support him just to "prove" we're not racist, that's pretty sad. And ridiculous. Plus, it wouldn't prove any such thing. Were all those who supported Obama over Clinton sexist? Clinton over McCain ageist? Hmm......Maybe they just don't like him, regardless of his race.

What a novel concept.

 

[Master Mason]

People have to want to be united. People have to be willing to compromise. Are you?

As you said, people must want it, there is a large group on both sides that don't want to be united.

 

[Guy Incognito]

If you join something and belong for 20 years, that means you support the organization, you may not agree with everything they say or do, but you do agree with more than not, or you wouldn't have stuck around for 20 years.

that's a very interesting (and good) point.... and I think something to keep in mind is, we've been fed little soundbite clips of some fiery speeches at that church.... but have we been shown every sermon given from that pulpit for the past 20 years? Have they *all* been of that same style, or were the majority of them much more tame?

I can't say either way, since I've never been to that church, but I'd be willing to bet that more sermons given there weren't of that caliber shown to us over and over again by the media.