Mccain never met Palin???

Oh. now Ms. "McCain will never pick a woman" is here dissing the fact he did. And clearly upset that the DNC is losing the "fresh and new" spotlight. :lmao: :rotfl2: :rotfl:

Am I not allowed to comment because I didn't think he'd pick a woman? If she were a man I'd be saying the same thing. I also don't vote for "fresh and new", I am more into the issues.
 
I don't mind McCain picking a woman but why one so inexperienced? I heard that Kay Bailey Hutchinson was a consideration (and that would have scared me) but that makes sense. Palin may be smart and wonderful but she definitely needs more experience IMO.

I continue to be dumbfounded by this. She has more (relevant) experience than McCain, Obama and Biden combined.

What foreign policy experience did Clinton have apart from a semester in London?
 
I continue to be dumbfounded by this. She has more (relevant) experience than McCain, Obama and Biden combined.

What foreign policy experience did Clinton have apart from a semester in London?
I don't see how you can say this. Setting Obama and Hillary aside for a moment, McCain and Biden would certainly understand much about the inner workings of the federal government and they know much about foreign policy. Being a senator doesn't exactly keep people in a box.

Now back to Obama and Hillary, they have also been in DC and have worked with the inner machinery of big government. YMMV on how much and how that counts. I see Palin as similar to Governors GW Bush and yes, Bill Clinton in experience about such things. (And I adore Bill Clinton.) They had governed states but hadn't done much else. The confusing point to me is that McCain and his ilk kept fussing about Obama's lack of experience and then he brings in someone at least as inexperienced. :confused3
 
I don't see how you can say this. Setting Obama and Hillary aside for a moment, McCain and Biden would certainly understand much about the inner workings of the federal government and they know much about foreign policy. Being a senator doesn't exactly keep people in a box.

Now back to Obama and Hillary, they have also been in DC and have worked with the inner machinery of big government. YMMV on how much and how that counts. I see Palin as similar to Governors GW Bush and yes, Bill Clinton in experience about such things. (And I adore Bill Clinton.) They had governed states but hadn't done much else. The confusing point to me is that McCain and his ilk kept fussing about Obama's lack of experience and then he brings in someone at least as inexperienced. :confused3

Clinton was also AG.

You're right, I don't think time in Washington counts for anything, and is probably a detriment. That goes as much for McCain as it does for Obama. Obviously others disagree, and that's why it would be political malpractice for McCain not to bring it up. While the senators may have insight into the workings of the state legislature, Palin has insight into the types of decisions that chief executives make. All she has to do is add zeroes. All senators think they should be president, but most of them are not qualified. That's why legislators are rarely the nominees of their parties.
 

Clinton was also AG.

You're right, I don't think time in Washington counts for anything, and is probably a detriment. That goes as much for McCain as it does for Obama. Obviously others disagree, and that's why it would be political malpractice for McCain not to bring it up. While the senators may have insight into the workings of the state legislature, Palin has insight into the types of decisions that chief executives make. All she has to do is add zeroes. All senators think they should be president, but most of them are not qualified. That's why legislators are rarely the nominees of their parties.
You make a good point about her being chief executive and just adding zeroes. Except that I believe that highly populated states deal with unique problems such as traffic, pollution, zoning, etc. Many of these are city issues though.

I also see her lacking in foreign policy experience but of course most governors wouldn't know much about that.
 
this is sure a fascinating election!!

i miss tim russert.........

Me too...but did you see Luke Russert during the convention? His dad would be so proud, he did an excellent job:thumbsup2 He really does remind me of his dad. Tim Russert would be loving this election!
 
Well, here is where we can agree, if you are looking for a woman, there are certainly many women out there who have governing experience, foreign policy knowledge, who would be a much better fit for the job. Not that I would agree with their ideology, but I could certainly respect someone like Kay Bailey Hutchinson.

Or how about Christie Todd Whitman? Oh, that's right -- not a beauty queen. Actually Palin is perfect for the Repubs - she's the ultimate trophy wife of a candidate.
 
I can't wait for the VP debate, I just hope for the republicans sake the stress of it all doesn't kill McCain, then they'll have someone who was the mayor of a small Alaskan town 20 months ago as their candidate!:scared1: :rotfl2:
 
The confusing point to me is that McCain and his ilk kept fussing about Obama's lack of experience and then he brings in someone at least as inexperienced. :confused3

Exactly. And everyone who's touting her executive experience over Obama's legislative experience, well, it's also more than McCain's.

Not to mention a big reason why Hillary's primary voters wanted her over Obama because she had more experience. Sure, a few just want a woman in office, but most voted for her because they liked HER.

So thanks, McCain! Great pick! (Shoulda picked Hutchison if you wanted a woman on the ticket!)
 
That has to be one of the most condescending things I have heard today. Not that being the first elected female Governor is not something that she should be congratulated on, in a state where the population is 2 males to every female.

In Alaska.....not the first ever anywhere.
 
In Alaska.....not the first ever anywhere.

Exactly and the Repbulicans are also 20 years behind the times in choosing a woman VP, but to them they've made "history."
 
Exactly and the Repbulicans are also 20 years behind the times in choosing a woman VP, but to them they've made "history."

So the Dems have a female VP hidden away somewhere? Is Biden hiding a little secret?
 
So the Dems have a female VP hidden away somewhere? Is Biden hiding a little secret?

Cough *Geraldine Ferraro* cough. This "history" was made 20 years ago. We also had a female candidate come within a hair of getting the nomination.
 
I continue to be dumbfounded by this. She has more (relevant) experience than McCain, Obama and Biden combined.

What foreign policy experience did Clinton have apart from a semester in London?


If she has so much experience why wasn't she running for President in the primaries? McCain wanted a woman and instead of picking one with experience he picked the pretty one, tells us a lot about McCain. Palin is just Mike Huckabee in a dress.
 
If she has so much experience why wasn't she running for President in the primaries? McCain wanted a woman and instead of picking one with experience he picked the pretty one, tells us a lot about McCain. Palin is just Mike Huckabee in a dress.

Ok - that's just ridiculous -- since when did a VP pick have to be someone that ran in the primary. Just because Obama had to get someone who has done it 3 times doesn't mean it is right. And, please tell me how many times in US history has the presidential candidate chosen a running mate from the list of primary contenders?
 
If she has so much experience why wasn't she running for President in the primaries? McCain wanted a woman and instead of picking one with experience he picked the pretty one, tells us a lot about McCain. Palin is just Mike Huckabee in a dress.

Great points....she was not even some up and comer in the party...she was not being groomed for national office....probably because she is a novice! McCain chose her becasue of the great need he felt to pander to HRC supporters...apparently he doesn't give women much credit when it comes to choosing their candidates.....he believes all women voters need to see is a skirt to pick their candidate! I find the pick completely insulting to women.
 
Ok - that's just ridiculous -- since when did a VP pick have to be someone that ran in the primary. Just because Obama had to get someone who has done it 3 times doesn't mean it is right. And, please tell me how many times in US history has the presidential candidate chosen a running mate from the list of primary contenders?

No what is ridiculous is all the people saying she has more expericene than Obama. Executive experience is not all it takes, my DH has over 25 years of executive experience but that doesn't mean he could be president. We don't see many CEOs running for president. We know nothing of this woman's judgement, no idea what she even thinks about foreign policy, does she know the difference between Sunni and Shiites, because McCain doesn't and he could use some help in that area.
 
From Politico.com

Bolding, my emphasis

The story behind the Palin surprise
By JONATHAN MARTIN | 8/29/08 5:24 PM EST


John McCain on Friday announced a running mate whom he met only six months ago and with whom he spoke just once on the phone about the position before offering it in person earlier this week.

McCain’s first encounter with Sarah Palin came at a Washington meeting of the National Governors Association in February, according to a campaign-provided reconstruction of how the little-known Alaska governor was thrust into the national spotlight. The two discussed the position by phone on Sunday before McCain invited Palin and her husband to Arizona to formally make the offer. McCain, joined by his wife, Cindy, did just that Thursday morning at their home near Sedona, Ariz.

By picking somebody he and most Americans barely know — an out-of-the-blue decision that sent shock waves of disbelief through the political world and still has jaws agape — McCain has taken a considerable gamble.

The choice is historic, yes. Palin becomes only the second woman to run on a major-party ticket and the first Republican woman to do so. But it’s also fraught with risks.

Palin, 44, is less than two years removed from being mayor of Wasilla, Alaska; has no military or foreign policy experience in a time of grave international threat; and has never even appeared a single time on “Meet the Press,” let alone been scrutinized by a voracious and around-the-clock modern media beast.

The coverage will be intense, relentless and, should she falter, harsh.

Yet Palin, a self-styled “hockey mom,” seems to represent compromise and promise as much as she does danger and risk.

Torn between selecting a transformational running mate and a conventional No. 2, McCain, as he has done so many times in his political career, went his own way.

McCain and his good friend and colleague Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), were tempted by the third member of their tight-knit trio, Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.). Picking a Democrat-turned-independent, the idea went, would underscore McCain's anti-establishment credentials in a year in which voters are fed up with Washington.

But as a former Democrat who supports abortion rights and holds a host of other conventional liberal positions, Lieberman would have spurred a revolt among conservatives already wary of the maverick-inclined McCain.

McCain also could have tapped a safer choice — Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty was widely thought to be the chosen one in the final day of speculation — and not risked much of anything.

Instead, he gambled on an outsider sure to draw waves of skepticism but one whom, politically, his own party base could live with.

Palin, say some GOP strategists, brings considerable strengths to the ticket: She’s from just about as far from the Beltway as possible, ran and won as a reformer in a state that was aching for one, is acceptable to the party’s right wing, and has a fascinating yet familiar life story of success and achievement that embodies the American Dream.

“It reinforces in real time McCain’s greatest brand: reform,” said former Republican strategist Mary Matalin. “And it epitomizes ‘shares your values.’”

I feel a tingle up my spine,” she crowed, praising the McCain campaign’s secret-keeping and boffo execution here today.

And then there are Palin’s two most visible traits.

“We’re a party that desperately needs women and desperately needs young people,” noted Ed Rollins, a longtime Republican consultant. And the 44-year-old Palin brings both of those qualities.

But McCain’s risk is just that — and Palin’s downside is considerable. Already, some Republicans are fretting that the GOP nominee might have made a colossal mistake by picking a running mate who is a complete unknown and who has not a minute of experience under the unforgiving glare of the national and international spotlight.

In a conference call with allies of the campaign, one participant raised questions about her unknown foreign policy views, according to a GOP source on the call.

McCain adviser Matt McDonald sought to allay these concerns by citing her experience dealing with international trade issues and even her travel overseas and her eldest son’s Army service.

“But the bottom line is, she doesn’t have a whole lot of experience. She just doesn’t,” said the source on the call, who said he had mixed feelings about the selection.

And, this person noted, beyond her own inexperience, Palin's youth may ultimately pose as much peril as opportunity.

“I wonder if her youth will accentuate [McCain’s] age over time in a bad way,” this source said.


Another Republican, echoing the private thoughts of some strategists in the party, was less restrained, suggesting the Palin pick damaged one of McCain’s most valued attributes and wouldn’t help him beyond the party base.

“It hurts the experience edge, and the hard abortion stuff scares moderate swing voters,” said this GOP insider. “It will appeal to some Bubbas, but that’s not enough.”

It’s the first of these issues that Obama’s campaign and Democrats are seizing upon.

In what appears to be a coordinated attack, many top Democrats have savaged McCain for picking somebody who, less than two years ago, was a small-town mayor, to be next in line for the most powerful job in the world.

“Is this really who the Republican Party wants to be one heartbeat away from the presidency?” Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) asked, making sure to note that McCain turned 72 on Friday.

Indeed, Palin has emboldened Democrats to more frontally go after the longtime Arizona senator for his age, an issue on the minds of many voters with regard to McCain, according to polls.

"After his attacks on Obama's readiness for the job, it'll be amusing to hear a 72-year-old with a history of health problems justify this decision,” said Jim Jordan, a veteran Democratic strategist. "She's a talent, but that's the end of the experience message from John McCain."

McCain plainly wanted a pick that dazzled and would be sure to shake up the race. But his out-of-the-box selection seems to dance on the razor’s edge, with disaster a distinct possibility.

Even Rollins, who praised the move, acknowledged it could be a catastrophe.

“The risk is that she just craters somewhere out there on the way,” he said. “She’s just never been in this kind of environment before.”

Another Republican cited a line from “This Is Spinal Tap”: “There is a fine line between clever and stupid.”

In the next 67 days, we’ll learn which side the Palin selection falls on.
 


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