Marrieds choosing not to have kids

[plgrn]

Just back from WDW and the Wonder and boy do I have some rants and raves about &$*%^ kids! Or should I say the &*%# parents!! I'll have to get a list up of all the incidents (yes, there are that many) and post them here where they will be appreciated.

 

[almburr]

there is nothing wrong with not wanting to have children. It does not make you evil. I am married and have five children, But that is what i wanted. I dont think people who dont want children are wrong it is thier life. I have a wonderful aunt and uncle who live in Orlando. They never had kids no one asked if they wanted any or couldnt have any. They travel, do what they like. Oh sure there are days when i think why did i have kids. But that is just the way it is.

 

[maddhatir]

Just back from WDW and the Wonder and boy do I have some rants and raves about &$*%^ kids! Or should I say the &*%# parents!! I'll have to get a list up of all the incidents (yes, there are that many) and post them here where they will be appreciated.

So wheres the list!!!! hee hee

 

[Tasmen]

I've been married for 5 years now (together 7) and we have no kids. When people ask my mom when we are going to have kids or if her daughter has children, she tells them simply: 'They have cats'. We get no real pressure to 'spawn' from relatives or friends, so I guess we are lucky that way. For me it's a medical issue in that I have a congenital heart defect (it's been fixed, but could 'unfix' itself during pregnancy).

Anyway, the next time someone asks you if you have kids, just say, "I have cats" or "I have <insert pet type here>". It tends to keep people quiet as it is not quite the answer they were expecting.

 

[Tasmen]

Eeep..double post batman!

 

[plgrn]

Thanks for reminding me! Most of these are the parents fault (or would it be appropriate to call them breeders in this case??)

Scene #1 - The monorail. A Little Alice in Wonderland about 7 years old was laying all the way across the bench taking up 3 seats while elderly adults STOOD. This was in the middle of the day, not late at night. She was not sleeping. Just laying there because it was comfortable. FINALLY her mothers ASKS her if she WANTS to sit up so others can sit too. She agrees after a few moments of deciding if that's acceptable.

Scene #2 - The Jingle Jungle Parade. An elderly lady had a vantage point right across the parade route from us right by the ropes and had been standing there for at least 20 minutes waiting for the parade. As soon as the first float comes into view, a breeder grabs her two year-old, shoves in front of the lady and holds the urchin up on her shoulders blocking the view not only of the poor elderly lady she shoved out of the way, but everyone else behind her too!!

Scene #3 - The bus. Late at night on the way back to the resorts from the parks the bus is packed with standing room only. After the first stop, seats became available, so I made a move to sit down next to a little girl about 11 years old. As soon as she saw me coming, she took her Stitch plush animal and set it in the seat and announced that Stitch needed a place to sit down. I grabbed Stitch, handing it back to her and announced that I needed the seat more than Stitch did. Parents are silent as the grave during this whole exchange. Where's the pair of scissors and the silver platter when you need it? Miss Priss would have gotten Stitch's HEAD handed back to her as tired as I was that night.

Scene #4 - The elevator on the Disney Wonder. We board the elevator and a 3 year old child is rolling around the floor. His mother tells him to stop and stand beside her. He continues rolling around the floor and the mother says "Ok, good job." WTH?? Good job doing what?? Disobeying?? Acting like a rabid animal??

Scene #5 - The ticketing line to get into the Magic Kingdom. A two year old is holding up the entire line while Mommy and Daddy encourage his to put his ticket in the machine and put his finger on the slot "all by himself" praising and encouraging him the whole time like it's a soccer match. Now I realize that kids need to learn skills, but not at the expense of the 200 people in line behind you! What would have been so wrong with just scooping th kid up and taking care of business so the next person in line could actually see the castle sometime that day??

Scene #6 - Exiting Animal Kingdom. A 4 year old child on a leash (cleverly disguised as a monkey backpack, but it was definitely a leash) is dragging, pulling, and hanging by the leash because he doesn't want to leave the park. He is also screaming, yelling, and crying at his mother and grandmother who are stopping ever few steps to kneel down and "reason with him." I just thank God he was on a leash or he probably would have come over and bit somebody. Why aren't there leash laws for children? Every child under the age of 10 should be required to be on a leash or else the parents are ticketed and fined.

Scene #7 through Infinity.....Children are taking over America, and society at large is allowing it. Do you know how many times I saw children who could easily be sitting on someone's lap taking up a seat while adults stood? Do you know how many adults gave up their seats for children?? It's ridiculous! This would not be tolerated in Asian cultures. What really chaps my butt is their interaction with the elderly. Children running over them and taking their seats, places in line, and parade vantage points. That would not have been tolerated in THIS culture 40 years ago. What is happening to America!!

Ok, ny rant is officially over. I know some soccer mom is going to get on here and flame me, but I just had to get that out. This fencesitter leans a little closer to a certain side of the fence each time she visits WDW!

 

[bdtracey]

Nicely done! Nicely done! I saw a bunch of that on our last trip and wrote most of it off to stupid parents but if I had a sweet vantage point for a parade and some idiot mother pulled that stunt on me I'd tell her where to go and how to get there. For the most part I'm quiet and reserved but I'd make sure that I had my vantage point.

On another note...DW and I will be having kids someday and we were both brought up fairly well (IMHO) and we have good manners (again...IMHO). I've seen parents let their kids run rampant and I wonder if they were like DW and I before they had kids. Did they turn off their brains after having kids or were they that dumb before? I'm being serious here...does having kids do this to people? If it does I surely don't want kids at all. As it stands right now my kids will either behave or they won't be out in public.

I was spanked as a kid; no marks were left....unless you count the time that my dad split the wooden spoon on my behind and it pinched me then I proceeded to run around the house with a wooden spoon attached to my butt. JK...this didn't happen to me but it did happen to my step brother! Do parents not discipline their kids anymore or what's going on? If I decide to be a strict parent NOW and can I plan on my kids behaving like normal...scrap that...above average citizens?

 

[almburr]

Wild children!!!!!!! run amuck!

 

[almburr]

As a parent i would be pissed if my kids acted like that. Im sorry plgrn that kids act that way. Yes that sounds to me like bad parents. I am sick of parents that think thier children are the only ones in the world and they are there for everyone to enjoy!! my kids know if mommy and daddy say no that means no or when it is time to go we go. No ifs ands or buts. Yes parents are to encourage them along but good god, people if there is aline to get in do the ticket for them, and tell them no. That was my kids first words "NO!" Children need to know that they do not rule the world, they need to be put down a notch. Im sorry to rant but, good grief! I am so sick of parents giving everything to thier kids that they want, kids think that they deserve it, they dont. By the way i am not a soccer mom I would not want to be a soccer mom if my life depended on it( i know how to use 4wheel drive on my suburban, not SUV!)just am mom who is trying to raise the kds right. So it is not just non parents that cant stand to see wild children running around. I think i might get flamed now!

 

[maddhatir]

Thanks for reminding me! Most of these are the parents fault (or would it be appropriate to call them breeders in this case??)

Scene #1 - The monorail. A Little Alice in Wonderland about 7 years old was laying all the way across the bench taking up 3 seats while elderly adults STOOD. This was in the middle of the day, not late at night. She was not sleeping. Just laying there because it was comfortable. FINALLY her mothers ASKS her if she WANTS to sit up so others can sit too. She agrees after a few moments of deciding if that's acceptable.

Scene #2 - The Jingle Jungle Parade. An elderly lady had a vantage point right across the parade route from us right by the ropes and had been standing there for at least 20 minutes waiting for the parade. As soon as the first float comes into view, a breeder grabs her two year-old, shoves in front of the lady and holds the urchin up on her shoulders blocking the view not only of the poor elderly lady she shoved out of the way, but everyone else behind her too!!

Scene #3 - The bus. Late at night on the way back to the resorts from the parks the bus is packed with standing room only. After the first stop, seats became available, so I made a move to sit down next to a little girl about 11 years old. As soon as she saw me coming, she took her Stitch plush animal and set it in the seat and announced that Stitch needed a place to sit down. I grabbed Stitch, handing it back to her and announced that I needed the seat more than Stitch did. Parents are silent as the grave during this whole exchange. Where's the pair of scissors and the silver platter when you need it? Miss Priss would have gotten Stitch's HEAD handed back to her as tired as I was that night.

Scene #4 - The elevator on the Disney Wonder. We board the elevator and a 3 year old child is rolling around the floor. His mother tells him to stop and stand beside her. He continues rolling around the floor and the mother says "Ok, good job." WTH?? Good job doing what?? Disobeying?? Acting like a rabid animal??

Scene #5 - The ticketing line to get into the Magic Kingdom. A two year old is holding up the entire line while Mommy and Daddy encourage his to put his ticket in the machine and put his finger on the slot "all by himself" praising and encouraging him the whole time like it's a soccer match. Now I realize that kids need to learn skills, but not at the expense of the 200 people in line behind you! What would have been so wrong with just scooping th kid up and taking care of business so the next person in line could actually see the castle sometime that day??

Scene #6 - Exiting Animal Kingdom. A 4 year old child on a leash (cleverly disguised as a monkey backpack, but it was definitely a leash) is dragging, pulling, and hanging by the leash because he doesn't want to leave the park. He is also screaming, yelling, and crying at his mother and grandmother who are stopping ever few steps to kneel down and "reason with him." I just thank God he was on a leash or he probably would have come over and bit somebody. Why aren't there leash laws for children? Every child under the age of 10 should be required to be on a leash or else the parents are ticketed and fined.

Scene #7 through Infinity.....Children are taking over America, and society at large is allowing it. Do you know how many times I saw children who could easily be sitting on someone's lap taking up a seat while adults stood? Do you know how many adults gave up their seats for children?? It's ridiculous! This would not be tolerated in Asian cultures. What really chaps my butt is their interaction with the elderly. Children running over them and taking their seats, places in line, and parade vantage points. That would not have been tolerated in THIS culture 40 years ago. What is happening to America!!

Ok, ny rant is officially over. I know some soccer mom is going to get on here and flame me, but I just had to get that out. This fencesitter leans a little closer to a certain side of the fence each time she visits WDW!

I LOVE your descriptions!!! breeders....urchins!!! OMG! I am LMFAO!! Dismembering Stitch!! ahhh...... kids give me chest pains!

DH and I just got back from a trip with BIL, SIL and their two "urchins" ( of course as their aunt- I say that "lovingly"! )

One thing that really got me- was my 5 year old niece- we had to wait for a bus if it was standing room only b/c she would throw a hissy if she couldnt sit! I tried to explain to her that no one else who is standing is happy about it either- so suck it up! But of course, that didnt penetrate the skull- so we had to wait for buses that had seats available--

OH- and when she did get on the bus with seats available- she wanted NO ONE to sit next to her- and she didnt want to sit on any of our laps--
YEAH- LIKE I WILL TOLERATE THAT!-- I just scooped her up and plopped her on my lap- like she would have a say in THAT!

One day- she didnt want anyone sitting next to her, as I once again put her on my lap she quickly put down one of her tiny princess dolls on the empty seat next to us- I guess a woman didnt see it (No- really I dont think she did- it was pretty small) and I had to do a quick doll interception before she had it up her butt! ouch!

And believe me- everytime she commented on how she didnt want anyone sitting down and didnt want to be on anyones lap- I gave her the-- "WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE HERE IN DISNEY! DO YOU THINK THESE PEOPLE WANT TO STAND B/C YOU WANT A SEAT TO YOURSELF!"

I dont tolorate that crap, I dont care if you are my niece or not!

Another thing was- she hated waiting in line for any rides! It was another hissy b/c she didnt want to wait- do you know what its like to play stinking "I spy" while in line for SOARIN' for 30 minutes- you can only pick out so many things to freakin' spy!- She started again on Buzz Lightyear and I finally just said- KNOCK IT OFF! I told SIL- I bet she was doing it just to see if you would get out of line with her- that would mean she wins!--- now stay and your both getting on this stinkin ride!!!! Thank god the line was fast for that one.

The moral of this story--- I like doing Disney better without kids!

 

[bdtracey]

Maddhatir:

I totally agree with the "enjoying disney w/o kids" part! I tell people all the time "don't go down there expecting to want kids" and no one believes me until they get back. A couple guys I know told me that they were going to get 'clipped' (wink, wink) after their last experience. Of course they didn't but they said that they were really glad that they didn't have any kids! I know I'll eventually be down there with kids so I might see it through a different light but as of now I'm really glad we're going down again without kids!

 

[Liisa]

My husband and I (happily married for 6 years) have 2 wonderful dogs - no kids for us, thank you. I can sympathize with the entire list of bad behavior posted above as we have seen most of it for ourselves. When we witness the absolutely deplorable behavior of children these days, we high five each other and smile that we can enjoy the quiet tranquility of our life!

 

[Luv'sTink]

Thanks for reminding me! Most of these are the parents fault (or would it be appropriate to call them breeders in this case??)

Scene #1 - The monorail. A Little Alice in Wonderland about 7 years old was laying all the way across the bench taking up 3 seats while elderly adults STOOD. This was in the middle of the day, not late at night. She was not sleeping. Just laying there because it was comfortable. FINALLY her mothers ASKS her if she WANTS to sit up so others can sit too. She agrees after a few moments of deciding if that's acceptable.

Scene #2 - The Jingle Jungle Parade. An elderly lady had a vantage point right across the parade route from us right by the ropes and had been standing there for at least 20 minutes waiting for the parade. As soon as the first float comes into view, a breeder grabs her two year-old, shoves in front of the lady and holds the urchin up on her shoulders blocking the view not only of the poor elderly lady she shoved out of the way, but everyone else behind her too!!

Scene #3 - The bus. Late at night on the way back to the resorts from the parks the bus is packed with standing room only. After the first stop, seats became available, so I made a move to sit down next to a little girl about 11 years old. As soon as she saw me coming, she took her Stitch plush animal and set it in the seat and announced that Stitch needed a place to sit down. I grabbed Stitch, handing it back to her and announced that I needed the seat more than Stitch did. Parents are silent as the grave during this whole exchange. Where's the pair of scissors and the silver platter when you need it? Miss Priss would have gotten Stitch's HEAD handed back to her as tired as I was that night.

Scene #4 - The elevator on the Disney Wonder. We board the elevator and a 3 year old child is rolling around the floor. His mother tells him to stop and stand beside her. He continues rolling around the floor and the mother says "Ok, good job." WTH?? Good job doing what?? Disobeying?? Acting like a rabid animal??

Scene #5 - The ticketing line to get into the Magic Kingdom. A two year old is holding up the entire line while Mommy and Daddy encourage his to put his ticket in the machine and put his finger on the slot "all by himself" praising and encouraging him the whole time like it's a soccer match. Now I realize that kids need to learn skills, but not at the expense of the 200 people in line behind you! What would have been so wrong with just scooping th kid up and taking care of business so the next person in line could actually see the castle sometime that day??

Scene #6 - Exiting Animal Kingdom. A 4 year old child on a leash (cleverly disguised as a monkey backpack, but it was definitely a leash) is dragging, pulling, and hanging by the leash because he doesn't want to leave the park. He is also screaming, yelling, and crying at his mother and grandmother who are stopping ever few steps to kneel down and "reason with him." I just thank God he was on a leash or he probably would have come over and bit somebody. Why aren't there leash laws for children? Every child under the age of 10 should be required to be on a leash or else the parents are ticketed and fined.

Scene #7 through Infinity.....Children are taking over America, and society at large is allowing it. Do you know how many times I saw children who could easily be sitting on someone's lap taking up a seat while adults stood? Do you know how many adults gave up their seats for children?? It's ridiculous! This would not be tolerated in Asian cultures. What really chaps my butt is their interaction with the elderly. Children running over them and taking their seats, places in line, and parade vantage points. That would not have been tolerated in THIS culture 40 years ago. What is happening to America!!

Ok, ny rant is officially over. I know some soccer mom is going to get on here and flame me, but I just had to get that out. This fencesitter leans a little closer to a certain side of the fence each time she visits WDW!

Seven incidents out of the thousands of children you must have seen, not bad!

And....I HATE soccer.

 

[maddhatir]

Seven incidents out of the thousands of children you must have seen, not bad!

And....I HATE soccer.

I think she was truamatized and the 7 incidents are all she can remember- I bet if we hypnotize her- it will all come rushing back!

 

[aclov]

I've been married for 5 years now (together 7) and we have no kids. When people ask my mom when we are going to have kids or if her daughter has children, she tells them simply: 'They have cats'. We get no real pressure to 'spawn' from relatives or friends, so I guess we are lucky that way. For me it's a medical issue in that I have a congenital heart defect (it's been fixed, but could 'unfix' itself during pregnancy).

Anyway, the next time someone asks you if you have kids, just say, "I have cats" or "I have <insert pet type here>". It tends to keep people quiet as it is not quite the answer they were expecting.

I always use this line - "I have two dogs and their like my kids" I ran into an old boss a couple of days ago that I hadn't seen in years, I worked for him right out of high school. He asked me how many kids I had and I said none. He says "Why?" Okay, personal question here. I say "because I have dogs."

I'm watching my 3 year old nephew right now, because he was sick to go to daycare, he's a handful like some of the children other posters have described. He's parents can't even go into the bathroom without him! He's constantly throwing a fit Earlier he was screaming at the top of his lungs and the dogs were going crazy barking in the next room - gosh even their nervous . I had to scold him and tell him that "auntie don't play that! Be quiet or no more cartoon channel." He's been behaving so far

 

[plgrn]

I think she was truamatized and the 7 incidents are all she can remember- I bet if we hypnotize her- it will all come rushing back!

Exactly! I think after a while I just started repressing things so that I could enjoy the vacation. You do what you gotta do!

 

[plgrn]

As a parent i would be pissed if my kids acted like that. Im sorry plgrn that kids act that way. Yes that sounds to me like bad parents. I am sick of parents that think thier children are the only ones in the world and they are there for everyone to enjoy!! my kids know if mommy and daddy say no that means no or when it is time to go we go. No ifs ands or buts. Yes parents are to encourage them along but good god, people if there is aline to get in do the ticket for them, and tell them no. That was my kids first words "NO!" Children need to know that they do not rule the world, they need to be put down a notch. Im sorry to rant but, good grief! I am so sick of parents giving everything to thier kids that they want, kids think that they deserve it, they dont. By the way i am not a soccer mom I would not want to be a soccer mom if my life depended on it( i know how to use 4wheel drive on my suburban, not SUV!)just am mom who is trying to raise the kds right. So it is not just non parents that cant stand to see wild children running around. I think i might get flamed now!

No flames here! Sounds like you are a PARENT. Not a BREEDER. Big difference.

 

[plgrn]

On another note...DW and I will be having kids someday and we were both brought up fairly well (IMHO) and we have good manners (again...IMHO). . .... As it stands right now my kids will either behave or they won't be out in public.

I was spanked as a kid; no marks were left....unless you count the time that my dad split the wooden spoon on my behind and it pinched me then I proceeded to run around the house with a wooden spoon attached to my butt. JK...this didn't happen to me but it did happen to my step brother! Do parents not discipline their kids anymore or what's going on? If I decide to be a strict parent NOW and can I plan on my kids behaving like normal...scrap that...above average citizens?

Same situation here and a hearty amen to that brother!! There is no question in my mind that if I have kids, they will be a joy to be around and excellent citizens because I won't tolerate anything less. If they wind up in jail, on drugs, or disrespect anyone it will be after they leave my house!!

So knowing that my children personally won't behave this way only offers me small comfort because guess who they are going to have for cousins, be in playgroup with, see at church, and go to school with? Exhibits #1-#7 listed above. THAT'S where the battle is going to come in.


BTW, is anyone else having trouble getting the smiley's to work since they updated the system? It's killing me! *insert cool smiley here*

 

[maddhatir]

Same situation here and a hearty amen to that brother!! There is no question in my mind that if I have kids, they will be a joy to be around and excellent citizens because I won't tolerate anything less. If they wind up in jail, on drugs, or disrespect anyone it will be after they leave my house!!

So knowing that my children personally won't behave this way only offers me small comfort because guess who they are going to have for cousins, be in playgroup with, see at church, and go to school with? Exhibits #1-#7 listed above. THAT'S where the battle is going to come in.


BTW, is anyone else having trouble getting the smiley's to work since they updated the system? It's killing me! *insert cool smiley here*

yes- I read on the tech boards that people are having problems- It seems a bit better (for me) now than a few days ago- My msgs are a bit slow when I hit submit-- sometimes I hit refesh and they go right through!

 

[bdtracey]

It truly is sad that natural selection isn't around anymore! I can't count how many times I said that on our last trip!

I really did see the best shirt while we were down there though...it was a dad that had 4 or 5 girls under the age of 10. The back of his shirt said "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups". Man did I ever laugh at that, pointed it out to DW and loud enough for a few others around me to see it. They all chuckled and nodded their heads. I gotta find me one of those shirts....