Marrieds choosing not to have kids

[KirklandTutu]

*flame retardant suit on*

Everytime I see a post asking about wether or not it's ok to bring kids to Bistro de Paris, I want to scream 'NO'. Why? you may ask. It has no kids menu, therefore that says to me in gentle Disney-speak that this is the one place that adults can look at and breathe easy and not have to even think that there might be one screaming child. Am I a bad person because of this? no. Do I understand that it's Disney and one has to expect children? yes. I just wish that parents would truly consider other adults in the parks and see that it's sometimes it's best to just go to Chefs de France or get a babysitter. There is a very big part of me screaming to do whatever they want, but not on that evening in February while I'm there.

I really wish that there were one or two resteraunts that were no children allowed. Or perhaps lounges that were truly no children allowed and that had a pretty full aray of food. If adults are such a big part of the growing demographic of Disney, it would stand to reason that there might be room for one or two of those places.


*chooses to live flame suit on, as to not have a death by admonishing*

 

[hopey1kenobi]

*flame retardant suit on*

Everytime I see a post asking about wether or not it's ok to bring kids to Bistro de Paris, I want to scream 'NO'. Why? you may ask. It has no kids menu, therefore that says to me in gentle Disney-speak that this is the one place that adults can look at and breathe easy and not have to even think that there might be one screaming child. Am I a bad person because of this? no. Do I understand that it's Disney and one has to expect children? yes. I just wish that parents would truly consider other adults in the parks and see that it's sometimes it's best to just go to Chefs de France or get a babysitter. There is a very big part of me screaming to do whatever they want, but not on that evening in February while I'm there.

I really wish that there were one or two resteraunts that were no children allowed. Or perhaps lounges that were truly no children allowed and that had a pretty full aray of food. If adults are such a big part of the growing demographic of Disney, it would stand to reason that there might be room for one or two of those places.


*chooses to live flame suit on, as to not have a death by admonishing*

As a parent I completely agree with you. There is no way I would bring my toddlers to a signature restaurant. I would maybe bring my 11 year old, but I would have to think long, hard and take into account her additude and demeanor that day. I think signature dining was set up for this purpose but some parents just don't care.

 

[TKDisneylover]

I really wish that there were one or two resteraunts that were no children allowed. Or perhaps lounges that were truly no children allowed and that had a pretty full aray of food. If adults are such a big part of the growing demographic of Disney, it would stand to reason that there might be room for one or two of those places.

This would be wonderful!! I agree 100%.

 

[Poppinsme]

I think this is very common. Just because somebody doesn't get all gooey about children doesn't mean that they are a bad parent. I've heard many people whom I consider to be good parents share this sentiment, especially given the way that some poor parents allow their children to behave these days. And by the way, it's "you're", not "your". Why can't the trolls spell?

Welcome to the thread, hopey1kenobi. Come and be judged with us evil childfree people

I'm not a troll.
And I don't need an English lesson. (Oh and childfree is 2 words child free).
I just was making a comment as I have posted here before as a childless person. And I still think its odd. Not calling her a bad parent or anything else. For gods sake. I take back what I said. And no I don't think you hate your kids hopey1kenobi.
Glad your happy!
Peace.

 

[tinker&belle]

I just found this thread,I posted on it over a year ago. In that time, my husband and I had an accidental pregnancy (which miscarried) and after that we decided we wanted to try to have a child. We got pregnant the next cycle, which came as a huge suprise, we thought 'trying' was supposed to be a fun, long process. (DH was especially disappointed.) Anyway, this has been joyous for us, but I have other friends who are childless and when we talk I always say to enjoy what they have and only have a child if they really, really want one. We love ours to pieces, but on a good day I get a shower and get a chance to get my breastpump clean and ready for the next day. I love my baby, and I wouldn't have it any other way, but I truly believe peope should only be parents if they DESIRE the huge commitment that goes with.

 

[hopey1kenobi]

We love ours to pieces, but on a good day I get a shower and get a chance to get my breastpump clean and ready for the next day.

Ha Ha Ha That is kind of like my day except for the breast pump it's the house completely picked up.

 

[MapleGirl]

You know it's kind of funny.... In normal life if I'm at a restaurant and a screaming kid is next to me I get very upset. But in Disney World I don't really care. In fact I can't remember ever seeing an upset kid a WDW! I guess I block it out. And I love seeing the kids dressed up and having the time of their lives with their parents. Good times. DH and I are heading back in Jan. Can't wait!!!

 

[kmmccart75]

You know it's kind of funny.... In normal life if I'm at a restaurant and a screaming kid is next to me I get very upset. But in Disney World I don't really care. In fact I can't remember ever seeing an upset kid a WDW! I guess I block it out. And I love seeing the kids dressed up and having the time of their lives with their parents. Good times. DH and I are heading back in Jan. Can't wait!!!

You've never seen an upset kid at Disney? WOW, you are good at blocking them out! As I posted earlier, all my husband and I need if we start doubting our CF decision is a trip there! Don't get me wrong, we LOVE Disney, but man it seems like we are always surrounded by wailing, whiny, exhausted kids on the buses, in the lines, etc. It makes us start doing our "no kids, no kids, lalalalalala" dance!

However, I do agree that we don't seem to mind the cranky or out of control ones as much when we're in Disney though, probably because at least MOST places in Disney are at least appropriate for children. Or maybe it's just like building up immunity.

 

[Hixski]

*flame retardant suit on*

Everytime I see a post asking about wether or not it's ok to bring kids to Bistro de Paris, I want to scream 'NO'. Why? you may ask. It has no kids menu, therefore that says to me in gentle Disney-speak that this is the one place that adults can look at and breathe easy and not have to even think that there might be one screaming child. Am I a bad person because of this? no. Do I understand that it's Disney and one has to expect children? yes. I just wish that parents would truly consider other adults in the parks and see that it's sometimes it's best to just go to Chefs de France or get a babysitter. There is a very big part of me screaming to do whatever they want, but not on that evening in February while I'm there.

I really wish that there were one or two resteraunts that were no children allowed. Or perhaps lounges that were truly no children allowed and that had a pretty full aray of food. If adults are such a big part of the growing demographic of Disney, it would stand to reason that there might be room for one or two of those places.


*chooses to live flame suit on, as to not have a death by admonishing*

I started a thread over a year ago about an adult only restaurant or 2. Most people said they would love it. Of course, there were still the parents that said they would not like it. But for the most part I would say 80% of the people said they would love it. Some had kids and were coming without them and of course would have welcomed some non screaming restaurants.

Here is the link in case anyone would like to see. http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1188145

 

[MapleGirl]

You've never seen an upset kid at Disney? WOW, you are good at blocking them out! As I posted earlier, all my husband and I need if we start doubting our CF decision is a trip there! Don't get me wrong, we LOVE Disney, but man it seems like we are always surrounded by wailing, whiny, exhausted kids on the buses, in the lines, etc. It makes us start doing our "no kids, no kids, lalalalalala" dance!

I know!! I know there must be screaming children everywhere, (heck, there have been times where I'm so tired and sick of walking around that I want to have a temper tantrum.... but it passes) but I just can't remember ever seeing any!

And we love the "no kids" dance!!
Woo adults!!! Woo happy childless couples!!! Power to the people!

Ok, back to the Bruins vs. Senators game. Go B's!!!

 

[tinker&belle]

Ha Ha Ha That is kind of like my day except for the breast pump it's the house completely picked up.

The house picked up is part of my long-term plan...we're still in survival mode...these are my new goals and objectives....

 

[TXTurtles]

The house picked up is part of my long-term plan...we're still in survival mode...these are my new goals and objectives....

Heck, having the house picked up is part of my long-term plan! And I don't even have an infant to blame. Maybe my fish ... nah. Fortunately grad school makes a good scapegoat for any and all negligences around the house. Though I'm not certain that a child wouldn't be both cheaper and less demanding than a degree!

On the other hand I got roped into working nursery for an event this morning and left VERY certain that I want to be in the CF group - I was watching the sweetest girls, age 5, 7, and 9 and I was still counting the moments 'til it was done. The 5 year old even crawled into my lap and cuddled into me while we watched a movie and, while it was touching, I was still glad to go home to my very quiet apartment where no one is tagging after me asking to be entertained. I'm impressed with those who do count the cost and have children, despite the sacrifices and discipline it takes. I'm also certain that I'll be admiring that group from afar!

 

[KirklandTutu]

I started a thread over a year ago about an adult only restaurant or 2. Most people said they would love it. Of course, there were still the parents that said they would not like it. But for the most part I would say 80% of the people said they would love it. Some had kids and were coming without them and of course would have welcomed some non screaming restaurants.

Here is the link in case anyone would like to see. http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1188145

Thank you for sharing that.

DH and I tend to eat in the bars of resteraunts as opposed to the seating area proper. There are many places in our area who have reserved seating in the lounge area. I work with kids, when I'm not at work I tend to want to not be around them and feel more free to just be an adult. It would be nice if Disney had this sort of set up. Most of the sit down places have attached bars anyway, they're just not 21 and up in order to stand in the room. That's all I want, just the lounge where I can order at least from a limited menu. Most places elsewhere don't let people under 21 in the bar anyway.

 

[zima-cheryl]

Ok, back to the Bruins vs. Senators game. Go B's!!!

MapleGirl - I'd assume you were a Leaf's fan?

Well - the B's lost in OT today, but hey - that is at least 1 point, & they beat Ottowa the other night.

DH & I have tix for the 12/31 game! Limo to/from & the whole nine yards!

Should be an awesome day!

 

[honugirl]

I would welcome restaurants that were adult only at WDW. In fact, even if they cost more, I would probably patronize them for most of my vacation.

Truly, I'm not a kid person. There are a few I can handle for short bursts of time, a couple of hours or so, mostly my relative or friends kids. But I love Disney stuff and shouldn't have to be penalized constantly by parents that think their little wonderful, fantastic beings should accompany them EVERYWHERE!

You can't even go to Las Vegas or Key West anymore without running into children everywhere. The one time I went to a Broadway play had a kid scream in the middle of it. Can't we just have a few places that are for adults only?

I'm still voting for "adults only" EMH in one of the parks during the more down seasons. I think it would be great. They could pair it up with regular EMH in one of the other parks so the families would have somewhere to go, but leave the adults one park at least a week to play and be kids.

 

[MapleGirl]

MapleGirl - I'd assume you were a Leaf's fan?

Well - the B's lost in OT today, but hey - that is at least 1 point, & they beat Ottowa the other night.

DH & I have tix for the 12/31 game! Limo to/from & the whole nine yards!

Should be an awesome day!

Nope, Boston Bruins all the way! Last night's game was good (but not quite good enough!). Ottowa is best in the division, so I don't feel too badly. It sounds like you'll have a great time at the game!! Go B's!

PS. Didn't Ottowa win Saturday too?

 

[maddhatir]

MapleGirl - I'd assume you were a Leaf's fan?

Well - the B's lost in OT today, but hey - that is at least 1 point, & they beat Ottowa the other night.

DH & I have tix for the 12/31 game! Limo to/from & the whole nine yards!

Should be an awesome day!

Hey Zima and Maplegirl- speaking of Hockey! One of my favorite subjects (after JD of course!) We played Boston on 10/27. I thought it was great the way they pushed up the time so the baseball fans can watch the game! (The Flyers won by the way )

I am bringing this up- b/c it is certainly NOT OT from the CF subject!

A few years ago I worked with a girl who was also a Flyers FA-REAK like me- the best part- we shared an office and talked Flyers all the time. I remember having conversations about HOW in the world can someone be a hockey fan (ie- a fan that can only take a potty break during commercials, there must but be NO talking while the game is on, and screams at the TV non stop ) AND HAVE KIDS!???? What if they cry or want attention while the game is on! We were dead serious!

Who wants kids- not to mention, who wants kids during hockey season!

IMHO- kids get in the way of fun

One reason I just LOVE hockey- take a looksie at the Flyers Capt after being hit in the face by a stick while playing Montreal! He went and got stitched up and he got right back on the ice! OK- we lost the game but I love seeing this kind of heart in a game!

Now THAT'S a hockey player! He is my "other" Capt!

OH and PS Zima- My ALL TIME FAVORITE cutie used to play for Boston- Dan McGillis- OMG! That man would drive me NUTS just looking at him.....not to mention the hits he would throw on people at center ice were unbelievable!!!

It stinks that with the "new hockey" Dan just is not needed to throw around his weight anymore!

How about all of this BS!!!! with the suspensions! This is utterly ridiculous- when a player smashes someone into the boards- it is NOT their intention to knock them out cold! It is just called HOCKEY PEOPLE!

Me and Mom (she is also a hockey freak) were talking about how they are pinning the name BACK onto the Flyers, The Broad Street Bullies (that is what they used to call us WAAAYY back when, when the fights would include the whole bench, and not to mention THE FANS ONLY IN PHILLY!) I told mom- the only reason they are saying we are "rough" is b/c the stupid rules are getting to tough on people who do the hitting! We could have put the same hit on someone 2 years ago and nothing would have happened.....

for %$#@'s sake- EVEN HOCKEY IS NOW GETTING PC! How disgusting is THAT!

 

[ChisJo]

On a different topic (not to take away from the hockey talk Hatt, but Flyers? Really??? Yikes....Go Habs!), anyways, has anyone ever been to WDW when Pop Warner was there? I just found out that 1000's of extra children are going to be there at the Sports complex when we venture that way, and I want to know if it makes an impact on the parks at all....any input would be greatly appreciated....

 

[zima-cheryl]

PS. Didn't Ottowa win Saturday too?

MapleGirl - you are right, I must have been confused w/the Buffalo score from earlier in the week.

I'm actually a Bruins fan by marriage (Red Sox & Patriots too - Welcome To Title Town! )

At heart I'm a Thrashers fan - have been since they picked up Milan Hnilicka as their goalie a few years back. He is gone, but I stayed a fan.
We have season tix to the Hartford Wolf*Pack (AHL) ... couldn't afford season tix for the big boys! But we get in a couple B's games each year.

And Hatter - I have to agree, I don't see how families do it!?! First of all even the minor league games are a small fortune - if you have 2 or 3 kids how do you afford it.

And then you get to the game & the kids are all over. Crying for junk food, bawling if they don't get a shirt or to see the mascot (or crying 'cause they are scared of the mascot) they don't understand the game and many are too young to understand & sit for 2 1/2 hours.

We sit near 2 families w/very well behaved kids - but they really work at it and often end up leaving in the 2nd period. Unfortunately they are the exception to the rule. I always try to complement them & give the benefit of the doubt on the rare occasion they do act up, because I appreciate that 99% of the time they are such good parents & as a result have such nice kids.

Nope, just not for me - biggest kid we have to worry about is me! I prefer being able to afford tix (and the occasional limo ride) and being able to have a beer or two at the game and not being pestered and distracted. I want to enjoy the game and relax!

 

[zima-cheryl]

On a different topic (not to take away from the hockey talk Hatt, but Flyers? Really??? Yikes....Go Habs!), anyways, has anyone ever been to WDW when Pop Warner was there? I just found out that 1000's of extra children are going to be there at the Sports complex when we venture that way, and I want to know if it makes an impact on the parks at all....any input would be greatly appreciated....

Don't know what this is worth, but I listen to the WDW Today podcast & they have talked about this before.

According to them the Pop Warner will increase crowds at the resort, but not so much at the parks. They are busy w/their activities & not really in the parks much.

That said, take it for what it is worth. One of the 4 guys does work for the "Unofficial Guide" ding
(Sorry you have to listen to the podcast to get that joke)
but none of them are official Disney employees.

Hope it helps.