Mark Lester (Oliver) might be the father of MJs daughter Paris!

[cdcgirl]

QUOTE=JerseyJanice;33122582]You have a beautiful family, Torinsmom.

ITA with you that most people get darker as they age.

That said, it's hard to tell with MJ's kids how much darker they've gotten through the years because he didn't allow them to be photographed much.

Maybe their complexions darkened gradually. There are gaps in years of when you can find photographs of them so it's hard to say that's the case. Maybe--as I suggested upthread--they simply got tans before the service.

The Jackson family as a whole seems fine with artifically altering their appearance for the sake of public opinion. I certainly wouldn't put it past them to make sure MJ's kids were well-tanned before the service where they'd be photographed for all the world to see.[/QUOTE]



Lord.

the jackson family DID NOT get them spray tanned . that is their natural skin color and just like someone else said they have gotten darker as they got older.

look at these pictures of the kids. this one was taken in winter of last year(2008) when the kids were with michael in LONDON OF all places its the middle of the winter in a country that hardly ever gets sun and they are still tan. notice their skin compared to the white people behind them.

these were taken on christmas eve last year( sadly michaels final christmas)
again in the middle of the winter

that is not a tan my friend. and you see that lady. thats the woman that played princess leia in star wars. she is not a particulary pale person she has an average caucasion complexion. and look at how much darker the kids are than her

another picture taken when michael is alive and again their NATURALLY tan

heres a picture of mark lesters REAL children

now don't you think if that man had those kids with Debbie rowe they would look like lesters other kids. Its is so obvious paris is debbies daughter. she is the spitting image of her. debbie rowe is whiter than white. mark is whiter than white. its ridiculous that people actually think all these ugly white men could be the father of those kids.

the same goes with that hideous Arnold Klein. Theres no way that pink fat man is the father. look at this picture. its is from the same christmas eve i just posted above. Prince michael is to the right and Klein is too the far left behind that lady. notice prince is not only darker than klein he is darker than all the other white people. except miko brando( who isnt white)

and if you look at prince and blanket they both not only look like each other( even though they have different mothers), they both look like michael when he was a child.

 

[torinsmom]

I think it is hard for most white people to see that many mixed kids are mixed. Many times biracial kids have caucasian features, because they are not only half black, they are half white as well. There is no way a spray tan could get someone so evenly tanned all over, including their palms. Besides, spray tans are orangish, these kids are olive skinned. There are pictures of the kids over the last year, and you can see their skin is tan, even their backs. Spray tans last how long? A week? So are they getting continuous spray tans or what?

I am white, but have a biracial son who is still mistaken for white at 15. To me, it is obvious that he is mixed. His skin is like the Jackson children, even though his features are more caucasian and he has blue eyes. Every black person I have spoken to about this issue has no doubt that these children are not white.

Seriously, do people even think Blanket is white? I just don't get it.

Marsha

 

[moon]

Lord.

the jackson family DID NOT get them spray tanned . that is their natural skin color and just like someone else said they have gotten darker as they got older.

look at these pictures of the kids. this one was taken in winter of last year(2008) when the kids were with michael in LONDON OF all places its the middle of the winter in a country that hardly ever gets sun and they are still tan. notice their skin compared to the white people behind them.

[/QUOTE]

Paris looks REALLY white in this picture. Look at her hands. They couldn't be whiter. Her face also looks white.

As for the other pictures, how do we know they never got a tan? Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

And maybe Mark is their bio dad...or not. Nowadays nothing it's easier that finding out who's the father.

But I doubt the Jacksons will agree to a parernity test. However maybe when Paris is older she'll want to know. Who knows?

 

[cdcgirl]

Lord.

the jackson family DID NOT get them spray tanned . that is their natural skin color and just like someone else said they have gotten darker as they got older.

look at these pictures of the kids. this one was taken in winter of last year(2008) when the kids were with michael in LONDON OF all places its the middle of the winter in a country that hardly ever gets sun and they are still tan. notice their skin compared to the white people behind them.

Paris looks REALLY white in this picture. Look at her hands. They couldn't be whiter. Her face also looks white.

As for the other pictures, how do we know they never got a tan? Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

And maybe Mark is their bio dad...or not. Nowadays nothing it's easier that finding out who's the father.

But I doubt the Jacksons will agree to a parernity test. However maybe when Paris is older she'll want to know. Who knows?

i don't know what picture you are looking at but that child does not look white. if you knew anything about photography you would know that picture was taken with a flash. thats why she looks "paler" but even with the flash she is still olive toned and darker than the pinkish white people. i personally think you are crazy but if you what to believe 2 pale skinned white people who don't even look like they tan well themselves produced 2 dark/olive toned kids than go ahead. its ad that people would rather believe totally irrational things than just admit those are michaels kids

that boy looks just like his daddy. Michael jackson. and don't even get me started on blanket

 

[moon]

i don't know what picture you are looking at but that child does not look white. if you knew anything about photography you would know that picture was taken with a flash. thats why she looks "paler" but even with the flash she is still olive toned and darker than the pinkish white people. i personally think you are crazy but if you what to believe 2 pale skinned white people who don't even look like they tan well themselves produced 2 dark/olive toned kids than go ahead.

Whoa, why the need to be so insulting. Ultimately, we are only giving OPINIONS here. No one on the Dis knows the truth

 

[torinsmom]

So, biracial kids also tan just like a white person. Even black people get darker in the sun. So, in the summer, a biracial person will be darker and then they will "fade" just like we do in the winter when the sun is not as direct and they are inside more. In that pic, the kids are in heavy coats, which I would assume means it was winter.

No lie, my son went to the beach for 4 days with my sister and came back 4 shades darker, even with 30 SPF sunscreen. By Christmas, he will fade back to just shade or two darker than me(I am pale white).

I would bet money those kids have one parent of color--all three of them. I think Blanket IS Michael's; looks just like he did as a child. Of course, this is my opinion. It just really amazes me that people really think those kids are 100% white.

Marsha

 

[goin2disneyagain]

All 3 of those kids are so obviously darker than most white people. Their skin is definetely olive. I believe Blanket is definetely mixed and am believing more and more that Prince and Paris are mixed as well. I don't believe Mark Lester for a minute. His story doesn't make sense at all to me.

 

[Aisling]

Neither I nor anyone else here knows who the father is/are. To those who say it's MJ, well, your guess is as good as mine, and my guess is he isn't.
I've never seen biracial black/white children with such straight, silky hair before. Not a hint of curl. Nada.

The kids may slightly look like Michael Jackson if you look at photos of him AFTER his plastic surgery. MJ as a child looks nothing like them. The photo comparisons posted only show them in the same positions...MJ looking to the right, Prince looking to the right, etc. None show facial similarities.

As for Mark Lester, if I'm not mistaken, he doesn't claim to be the father. I think he says he MAY be the father, since he allegedly donated sperm for MJs use.

 

[Tinker74]

I have no idea who the father of those kids is...my guess is the derm..I think he resembles the older two...But I see no resemblence between MJ and those kids....In fact i see no resemblence between the kids themselves

Who knows....all I do know is MJ was a liar...so I don't take his word for anything.

 

[cdcgirl]

Gee, I'm not ignorant. I just have an opinion. Calm down. We're talking about a dead pop star, not your father.

You mentioned Quincy Jones...he has children with a white woman, and HE HIMSELF is part white. That's why the white characteristics of his children.

You mentioned Lionel Ritchie...SAME as above.

You suggested I open my mind..well, I don't need to. See the photo below? Those are my nieces/nephews. See the two dark ones? They are my biracial black/white niece and nephew. See the asian-looking ones? They are my own biracial asian/white children. I am a blue eyed blonde. I have natural blood family members of a variety of races. So please spare me the "open your mind". I'm just giving my OPINION ABOUT MJs KIDS, not giving a GENETICS LECTURE.

are you trying to say that michael is 100 african or something? well he's not and fyi michael is No blacker than quincy jones or lionel richie both of them like ALL black americans are mixed. just like michael.. I'm am so sick of people trying to make other black celebritees mixed and trying to act like michael was the blackest thing on the face of the earth.

FACT: michael jackson has european ancestry and a significant amount as well. you want proof look at joe jackson he has BLUE/GREEN EYES

this is where paris gets her eyes from along with debbie rowes genes

and no those are NOT contact lenses. he was born with those eyes and if you ever read latoya jackson's biography that she wrote in the late 80's/ early 90"s she wrote that when her father was a kid he had red hair and light eyes. she also wrote that she remembered when he used to beat her he would get so mad his eyes would glow green like a monster. this was back in the 60's

as far as i know neither quincy jones or lionel riche have a parent with light eyes so your argument is stupid

michaels mother is also mixed there are official records that show her father prince albert scruse's family is listed in the 1910 US census as "mullato" katherine also has native american ancestry which you tell by looking at her

michael wasn't even a dark skinned black person so it amazes me that you people seem to think he was 100 % african or something or that quincy jones and lionel riche are more mixed than him if you look at lionel riche he has more "black" features than michael, for instance he has big lips. michael NEVER had big lips, full lips? yes but not big lips. and lionel's nose was just as wide as michaels or any other black person

 

[cdcgirl]

I have no idea who the father of those kids is...my guess is the derm..I think he resembles the older two...But I see no resemblence between MJ and those kids....In fact i see no resemblence between the kids themselves

Who knows....all I do know is MJ was a liar...so I don't take his word for anything.

may i ask WHAT about those kids resembles that dermatologist? I see absolutely NO resemblance whatsoever. not the colouring, not the nose, not the lips not, not the eyes , nothing. people say paris ears look like his and i disagree as well. the only resemblance is that they are big. and michael has big ears too. her ears are not even the same shape as klein. I hate to say it but her ears look like michaels and and jermain jacksons son jermajesty.



seriously i really am curious can you answer the question?

if the media had never chosen him to pin the kids on (and you know they just went through all people who are close to mj and picked someone to claim as the father.) no-one would ever think those kids looked like him.

 

[Aisling]

Ok, cdcgirl, you win. All three children are MJs biological children. Feel better?

 

[torinsmom]

I don't think most people are sure those are MJ's kids. I just know if they are Debbie Rowe's, then there is a black/biracial

daddy somewhere. Whether it's MJ or a sperm donor, there is a person of color in the picture. People simply cannot pass on genes they do not have and since dark skin color genes are dominant, there is no way those kids came from two white people.

Biracial people can and do have straight/wavy hair. Just do an image search of biracial children and you will see that it isn't that rare. Besides, maybe they had their hair straightened. The lighter eyes are unusual, but not rare. I myself know eight biracial kids with blue eyes. I believe Paris' are green, which is even less rare.

If you think a black man cannot make two kids that light(Blanket is not light at all), think again. My son is biracial and pale with blue eyes and so is his half sister by the same black dad. His sister even has strawberry blond, wavy hair. Pics on the first page of the thread if you missed them.

Oh, and Lionel Ritchie's daughter, Nicole, is adopted. She is not his biological daughter. I believe she said she was mixed hispanic/white in an interview.

One thing is for sure, those kids are some gorgeous children!

Marsha

 

[goin2disneyagain]

Look at this picture of biracial twins. Look how fair the baby on the right is. Fair skin, blue eyes and blonde hair. You can't get much more fair than that.

 

[bigmerle1966]

Oh, and Lionel Ritchie's daughter, Nicole, is adopted. She is not his biological daughter. I believe she said she was mixed hispanic/white in an interview.

I was going to say the same thing.

As for Paris's eye color, Debbie Rowe has the same eye color. They were showing an old interview of her right after he died and I noticed the eye color right away. That was when speculation was that she was not their mother.

And as for what people see in these children, it is all in perception. Anyone here ever take an art class where you were shown a drawing and asked whether you can see an old woman or young woman? It's the same thing, it had to do with what your brain was "seeing".

I think they are mixed but not black, Blanket looks almost Native American to me.

 

[twinmomplus2new]

First off Torins mom those are some beautiful kids yours and the ex's.

I am white my husband is white. both blonde/brown eyed. we have 4 kids 2 blonde, blue eyed, 2 brown brown eyed. one very, very olive skinned child, the others medium complected. genetics is funny bussiness, I have native american in my background only a few times in 16 grandchildren has it shown up. but it has shown up 3 times. My son a cousin, and an Aunt no rhyme or reason.
My niece is biracial she is lighter than MY olive complected son. her brother is Japanese, white, german and black. He is Darker than both of his parents.

My point is does it really freaking matter what these kids are? or who bio Dad's are. it seems to me. it's likely Michael solicted several donors and combined UUUHMMM donations,so that unless tested you never would really know.
That said do I think they resemble the Jackson's" no doubt any child will after they are raised with you pick up facial expressions mannerisms. My chinese neice smiles in the exact same way my SIL does. My Korean niece walks/carries herself just as her mom did before she passed. My domesticly adopted cousin looks exactly like his Dad. people comment all the time can't leave him anywhere.

i know I am rambling but, I guess this is touching a nerve here. Bottom line who cares who is bio whatever, these kids are OF this family. They are part of the jackson family and Honestly... it does not matter the biology of it.

 

[Aisling]

i know I am rambling but, I guess this is touching a nerve here. Bottom line who cares who is bio whatever, these kids are OF this family. They are part of the jackson family and Honestly... it does not matter the biology of it.

You're right, I don't think anyone here thinks it matters, well maybe to one poster here. We're just speculating and having a discussion, that's all. I don't think we'll be losing sleep over this, well maybe that one poster again. Personally, I don't care, but it's an interesting conversation.

 

[SamRoc]

When i started this thread what really interested me that there was such a strong friendship between Mark Lester and Michael Jackson. I didnt know they were that close. I loved Mark in Oliver and was a huge fan of Michaels when he was little. The whole story is bizarre, but whatever it is, the kids are here, they are beautiful and they need good people around them to love them and take care of them.

 

[Vixen]

MJ tribute Thread

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2268387

 

[cdcgirl]

When i started this thread what really interested me that there was such a strong friendship between Mark Lester and Michael Jackson. I didnt know they were that close. I loved Mark in Oliver and was a huge fan of Michaels when he was little. The whole story is bizarre, but whatever it is, the kids are here, they are beautiful and they need good people around them to love them and take care of them.

according to mark lesters ex wife mark was not that close to michael at all. and from the interviews mark has given. changing his story several times, backtracking. claiming paris asked him at the memorial if she could come stay with him and then saying on national TV after that that he has not spoken to ANY of the kids since michael died. Did you see him on the today show. they did a split screen with paris and his daughter harriet and after it was obvious that she looks NOTHING like her and is darker than her. mark completely went back on what he said and then claimed paris looked like his youngest daughter olivia. WHAT? he is full of crap I'm sorry.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxZBko9yR4o

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...r-Jackos-children-No-hes-completely-nuts.html

and i don't buy his little story that michael was "afraid" of sex. according to lisa marie presly that wasn't the case at all. and really what does she have to gain from lying about that. besides lisa marie seems like the kind of person who tells it like it is