Marathon Weekend 2023

On the same subject, I also can verify that many folks were swept backstage at EP just before the finish at W&D half this past weekend. I’m talking mile 12.8ish, literally around the corner from the finish. Folks have got to stop telling people that they’re “safe” at certain spots, because you really can be swept at any time that you fall behind.
This stressed me out but I really appreciate you sharing.
Really, truly, train for at least a 15:00/mile average pace and you’ll be FINE!
Just also remember that includes bathroom breaks, character lines, any other stops! :)
Also, based on comment from others on here in past threads, you will be WELL WARNED if you are getting close to the balloon lady line, and that the bike-crew will give you targets to get to in x amount of time in order to not be swept.
Yes, this is true. And they are nice about it.
 
it is probably too early to stalk the weather, but I can't resist. It is showing rain for the weekend, and a high of 74. I detest running in rain. Crossing my fingers!
I'll take any high temp that starts with a number less than 8 at this point!

I assure you, they can and do sweep the 5K: I watched it happen. I, too, have taken my sweet time finishing and wound up amongst the last of the finishers one year - as I was in line for a final character, the sweepers arrived and said we could remain in line for a photo, but would not be allowed to finish if we did: the course was closing. I left and finished, but a friend who wasn’t doing Dopey stayed in line and was escorted off the course by golf cart afterward - they did not cross the finish line and wouldn’t have had a finish time registered If they had been doing Dopey. Now, whether the time at which they closed the course was based on an exact 16mm mile or not IDK, but they absolutely have a hard cutoff time.

My mom was DFL at Princess 5K this year (posted about it here). They were closing character stops as we went by and eventually shortened the course just behind us. At one point she essentially gave up and flagged down a course volunteer, who asked her to wait for a cart that was coming. She thought she was being swept, but instead they took her on a golf cart to just before the finish chute and let her walk through the finish. So yes, there is a cutoff time for the 5K, but unless you are physically unable to cross the finish, they will let you finish rather than be swept and skip the finish line entirely. She crossed the finish almost exactly 2 hours after we started the race.
 
On the same subject, I also can verify that many folks were swept backstage at EP just before the finish at W&D half this past weekend. I’m talking mile 12.8ish, literally around the corner from the finish.

I saw the same Facebook post and the watch time posted a 18:32 minute mile average pace. So the person wasn't anywhere near the 16:00 minute mile pace.

I suspect that there was some operational reason that the runners don't know about that they chose to sweep them at that point.

The problem is that there is constant UNofficial messaging that you can be “safe” at certain points - most commonly I see people say once you’re in the final park - and that just is not true.

I was with the balloon ladies during the half in January and they knew (and told all of the runners) that if you made it into Epcot, you were safe. Now it was a slightly different course than W&D with less time in Epcot (hence less impact on park operations to still have runners on the course) but I don't think that the balloon ladies would have given out that information without being told it themselves from someone in an official position. I gave everything I had to get into Epcot and then walked the rest of the way and I was never given any warning by anyone (and I did interact with several Disney people) that I was still at risk of being swept. So I think that it truly depends on a whole bunch of factors that the runners don't understand. I would never want to take this type of chance, but I know from experience that there can be a "you're safe as long as you keep moving" point.
 
Just also remember that includes bathroom breaks, character lines, any other stops! :)
I'm planning on turning auto-lap off on my watch and pushing the lap button at each mile mark (last year my watch had me running 27mi for the full!!!) AND signing up for the email/text alerts for both myself and the 7:00 pacers so I can compare times for the various mats throughout the course.
 

There won't be a dramatic surprise where you had no idea or warning that the sweep busses were about to pull out and cut off the course.

I had this vision of a bunch of busses rounding the corner at top speed, like SWAT team vehicles, and a bunch of people jumping out and grabbing all the runners off the course! :D
 
Haha, random questions from someone who has never done a runDisney race: I keep seeing mention of "balloon ladies." I am assuming from how they are referred to that they serve as a marker of when people are falling behind the required pace for each race? Do they have balloons attached to them? Are they always ladies (i.e. can there be balloon fellas as well)? I just keep picturing this gaggle of women walking behind the racers with balloons streaming off of them but I have no idea what they actually look like.
 
I just keep picturing this gaggle of women walking behind the racers with balloons streaming off of them but I have no idea what they actually look like.
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Me and the balloon ladies/bike sweepers before I decided to pull myself off the marathon course this year. They have historically been women, but I believe this issue was brought up when they were interviewed on the Rise and Run podcast and they might have said there will be a man this year so they are figuring out what language to use? I don’t remember.

They are a marker— they cross the start line last and maintain a 16:00 min mile from that point. People on bikes will periodically update back of the packers and people in pic lines how far ahead of them they are and if you are at risk of falling behind them the bikers will tell you you need to catch up or get on the next sweep bus. Balloon ladies don’t do any sweeping. Just a visual.

But the episodes of Rise and Run and Runners Without Limits that feature them might be helpful!
 
Haha, random questions from someone who has never done a runDisney race: I keep seeing mention of "balloon ladies." I am assuming from how they are referred to that they serve as a marker of when people are falling behind the required pace for each race? Do they have balloons attached to them? Are they always ladies (i.e. can there be balloon fellas as well)? I just keep picturing this gaggle of women walking behind the racers with balloons streaming off of them but I have no idea what they actually look like.
You're correct, they are a visual indicator of the required pace. And yes, they have balloons attached to them. I'm unsure if they are always ladies, but I have heard it's the same people each race.

I was spectating the 10K in January and got to watch them start. It was actually kind of interesting because they loitered at the start line for a few minutes and then synced up their watches with the bike patrollers. I was expecting them to just start with everyone else but that is not what happened.
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You're correct, they are a visual indicator of the required pace. And yes, they have balloons attached to them.
and it's important to keep this in mind. They start dead last and they do their absolute best to hold a pace of exactly 16:00/mile. But they do not sweep! They do not work for Disney and if they pass you, you aren't immediately swept off the course. But you are in danger of being swept. Usually they will do their best to motivate you to keep going and get ahead of them.
 
I saw the same Facebook post and the watch time posted a 18:32 minute mile average pace. So the person wasn't anywhere near the 16:00 minute mile pace.

I suspect that there was some operational reason that the runners don't know about that they chose to sweep them at that point.



I was with the balloon ladies during the half in January and they knew (and told all of the runners) that if you made it into Epcot, you were safe. Now it was a slightly different course than W&D with less time in Epcot (hence less impact on park operations to still have runners on the course) but I don't think that the balloon ladies would have given out that information without being told it themselves from someone in an official position. I gave everything I had to get into Epcot and then walked the rest of the way and I was never given any warning by anyone (and I did interact with several Disney people) that I was still at risk of being swept. So I think that it truly depends on a whole bunch of factors that the runners don't understand. I would never want to take this type of chance, but I know from experience that there can be a "you're safe as long as you keep moving" point.
IDK what the Facebook post you saw said - I know of the situation from friends who were there and experienced it and told me what happened to/near them. Yes, they were behind the pace - but that’s my whole point: they thought it was safe to be behind because in the past, there was no hard sweep so late in the race. That’s clearly not always the case, so it would be nice if we stop telling people “don’t worry - once you get to XYZ point you’re safe!”
I don’t think the balloon ladies would intentionally give out false info, either - but they’re also not Disney/rD employees, so it’s possible that they might not be aware of a new situation, either. NOBODY expected a hard sweep at that point of the race… yet, it happened.
 
They have historically been women, but I believe this issue was brought up when they were interviewed on the Rise and Run podcast and they might have said there will be a man this year so they are figuring out what language to use?
If we can use "you guys" to refer to a group of humans of any gender (which I have done many times), I feel like it should also be fine for "balloon ladies" to encompass anyone in that role 🤣 🎈👩👨
 
10k is definitely the best of the bunch!
I agree. I've long wanted a Chip and Dale medal. In fact, I might have registered both of my nephews for the virtual kids race in 2021 that featured a Chip and Dale medal. One for me. One for them to share.
I said it when we first saw them presented in the best light by runDisney let alone these pictures from the Expo. I thought that runDisney would go above and beyond because of the special anniversary year, but this is such a downgrade from last year's beautiful medal.
They put so much effort into the 2022 medals for the 50th anniversary of WDW. On these I feel like they went 90% themed to the 1990s and 10% characters, especially for the Marathon and Goofy. I do like the park icons on the marathon medal for next year. That makes me like it more than I otherwise would have.
I don't think they really care about overshadowing the MLK weekend. When DL had races, they had no issues running SWLS on MLK weekend. At that time, there would've been no option to move MW out a week without also impacting the DL race, too. The prospect of achieving C2C in the span of a week was a popular one, too. I wonder if they have plans for that weekend with the DL races coming back?
I wonder if the return of Disneyland races will always keep marathon weekend in this place. There were so many Dopey Rebels for the Star Wars races. Ironically enough, if Disneyland races had never been cancelled, I might have never tried the marathon. Star Wars Light Side was my priority.
Was that around a certain time of day? I'm pacing well in training, but I'll likely be in the last corral. I'm going to try to be at the front of it, and I also don't plan on stopping for characters. Still, hearing stuff like this (like .3 - .4 miles away from the finish, really? Eek!) makes me nervous.
You will hear verbal notices from race officials on bikes where you are in relation to the balloon ladies. This can include 8 minutes or more if you are in line for a character photo. It can also be as few as 30 seconds which my sister learned during the 2020 Marathon. You will not suddenly be swept. They will tell you that it's coming and where you need to be to avoid it.
Also, based on comment from others on here in past threads, you will be WELL WARNED if you are getting close to the balloon lady line, and that the bike-crew will give you targets to get to in x amount of time in order to not be swept.
I absolutely experienced this twice during Dark Side races. Once I was 5 minutes ahead and in line for a photo and the other time I was 8 minutes ahead and in line for a photo.
Just also remember that includes bathroom breaks, character lines, any other stops! :)
This is so important. I heard of some runners swept from a Disneyland Half Marathon because they did not understand this. While they were running 10 minute miles, they were not factoring in the 10-15 minute character stops which was making many miles closer to 20-25 minutes.
and it's important to keep this in mind. They start dead last and they do their absolute best to hold a pace of exactly 16:00/mile. But they do not sweep! They do not work for Disney and if they pass you, you aren't immediately swept off the course. But you are in danger of being swept. Usually they will do their best to motivate you to keep going and get ahead of them.
I think they also have signs on their race gear that say Balloon Ladies. Note that some runners will randomly carry balloons because they want to and they are not the balloon ladies. So you don't need to panic unless you are actually hearing someone tell you that you are at risk of being swept.

SAFD Plans: I think I'm set. Made my ADRs Friday morning on a cruise ship and I think I got almost everything I wanted. I have discovered that a great way for me to plan my post marathon dinner is to look at the dessert menu. If the dessert sounds really good, then somehow that tends to translate to me being excited for at least one item on the rest of the menu after the race.
 
They mentioned in the podcast that runDisney will ask those runners to remove their balloons for the race. No guarantee they find them all, but they do try to avoid this confusion
That's good to know. The fewer they have the the better.
The last thing we need is some random person running with a balloon and giving a couple hundred people a minor heart attack.
I was running a 10K one year less than half a mile from the finish line and one of the balloon ladies passed quite a few runners in a very congested area. There was a tremendous amount of panic as people feared they would be swept. There was certainly stress. I didn't think they would sweep at that point given how close we were to the finish and how congested it was.

As a side note for anyone familiar with the Mel Brooks movie Spaceballs, part of me wanted to run a Star Wars race dressed as Dark Helmet and carry a balloon. The back of my costume would read "Fool you!" as Dark Helmet said during the movie when he tricked Princees Vespa into coming to him. Perhaps it's for the best that my desire to run in a Star Wars costume outweighed my desire to run dressed as Dark Helmet.
 
I've been meaning to ask this question for a while, and I don't know any distance runners in "real life."

I ran my first marathon last year, the Disney marathon. I didn't train nearly enough, but I finished--just barely. After the race, I had huge blisters under my feet, and my toenails were very bruised. Over the next few days several toenails turned black and I eventually lost the the big toenail on my left foot. That toenail literally JUST got back to normal sometime mid-October. The new toenail grew in with ridges and stuff and I finally trimmed the last of that off.

I'm going to try to run the marathon again this year (although if anything I'm in worse shape than I was last year so we'll see) but I don't want to go through that again. I've been googling what to do, but there are so many options--creams and glides and powders and wraps and whatnot--what do you all suggest? I'm looking for advice regarding both the blisters and the toenail bruising.

Also, I have no way of knowing for sure why--but I felt absolutely awful after finishing last year. As it turns out, I felt even worse the next day, and tested positive for covid the day after that, so most likely I was running the marathon while covid was brewing in my system. So that probably explains why I felt so sick and tired after finishing. But...I see so many stories of people going out and enjoying the parks after finishing the marathon. Assuming I don't get covid right before the race again this year, haha, what suggestions do you have to help yourself bounce back as quickly as possible? What do you eat and drink? Do you take a shower or bath immediately? Hot pads? Cold pads? if I do manage to finish, or even if I don't, I'd like to recover as quickly as possible so I can enjoy myself. Last year I could barely manage to get my luggage to the car and drive home and crash (I live in Tampa, so not far).

Maybe there are better places to ask this kind of question and if so please steer me there. I'm not really a runner and I don't have a community of runners to ask these questions.
 















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