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[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Sorry, I still think calling in law enforcement on a single episode (as described in the OP) is extreme. Allow the process to work. IF it doesn't, then take the next step.

Depending on state law or school district policy the school may be legally required to do so. If that's what you mean by allowing the process to work that's how it will work in some places.

It varies in the districts here in what they call them (class I, II, II, etc type offenses) but just to give an example the incident as it happened would be considered a Class II or Class III offense in the district my house is assigned in. "Class II offenses shall be reviewed by school officials in collaboration with law enforcement to determine which offenses are appropriate for referral to local law enforcement." "Class III offenses require notification to law enforcement if there is a determination of potential criminal conduct."

In the district I grew up in battery (as defined by physical contact) requires city police to be notified as well as the district. Fighting does as well, threats (which social media counts), etc.

Much of it will depend on an area and their applicable laws and policies and that may be allowing the process to work.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

Its strange how differently schools handle things. I know we are in the same state from previous threads, but in my kids school likely the kid would get a couple days ISS max for defending themselves

Same here. I think I would LOL if the school called the cops over a teenage girl fight. Like I said before. What a waste of time and resources.

My son got into one scuffle at school (it was literally a pushing match in gym). I think he was in 8th grade. He got suspended for one day. Life went on.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Same here. I think I would LOL if the school called the cops over a teenage girl fight. Like I said before. What a waste of time and resources.

My son got into one scuffle at school (it was literally a pushing match in gym). I think he was in 8th grade. He got suspended for one day. Life went on.

What would you suggest instead? The school to not do anything? Just let scuffles happen with no recourse ever. Most schools are able to use judgement calls but yeah you punch someone in the face that's not normally a judgement call and I can appreciate different opinions on growing up and all but I don't think advocating for nothing to happen for punching someone is necessarily right either.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

What would you suggest instead? The school to not do anything? Just let scuffles happen with no recourse ever. Most schools are able to use judgement calls but yeah you punch someone in the face that's not normally a judgement call and I can appreciate different opinions on growing up and all but I don't think advocating for nothing to happen for punching someone is necessarily right either.

Who said to do nothing? I think suspension to start is good. Being cut from teams or clubs is also good. I don’t think you jump straight to calling the cops and charging kids with a crime for something that happened once. If it’s ongoing and the violence continues then yea move onto more extreme measures.

But I don’t think kids who are defending themselves from someone kicking them should get in trouble but I know that’s not how schools work. They suspend all parties. Whether they started it or not. Which is not fair imo.

ETA: this subject irks me because I can’t stand bullies. They make my blood boil. I’m thankful it’s never happened to my Kids because I would be like OP ready to lose it and wanting to go to the school and shake someone’s kid. Lol

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Who said to do nothing? I think suspension to start is good. Being cut from teams or clubs is also good. I don’t think you jump straight to calling the cops and charging kids with a crime for something that happened once. If it’s ongoing and the violence continues then yea move onto more extreme measures.

I was coming at it from the school's policy and/or any applicable state laws. You kept saying it was a waste of time and resources but if that's how the school district set up the policy and it meets the definition they should/need to abide by it and if it's a school policy then I doubt they see it as a waste. I understand if people are saying the OP would march down to the police department to file a complaint but there are schools that may have procedures in place and that may necessitate either calling in to law enforcement or consulting with them. Suspension may be the appropriate course but it may not be depending on what happens and the after affects. In terms of only happening once there are things that once is enough to necessitate more repercussions especially when it comes to violence (not necessarily speaking towards just a kick).

Honestly with some of these comments it's no wonder the schools are between a rock and a hard place. Some parents don't want much action done preferring to do it all on their own and some can't understand how bullying and physical contact continues in schools when nothing more than what amounts to a slap on the wrist occurs.

That's probably why lawsuits happen whichever way (either too much punishment or too little punishment).

 

[ronandannette]

I’m confused, the person who brought up a child with a disability stated that it’s very difficult to remove a child with a disability/bully, not that the victim was disabled.

This is the post that I'm referring to in all my comments; not the OP's daughter's situation.

This is absolutely true, and the school also cannot even tell the OP if this child is classified as having a disability. I'm a teacher and have a kid in my class who behaves aggressively towards others at times, but I literally cannot discipline him (I have been directly ordered not to by administration, despite the fact that he has been aggressive toward a severely disabled child and very rude to multiple teachers, and when I say "discipline", I mean only losing a very short and simple privilege), because he is a (high-functioning) SPED student and his mother is litigious. The district isn't afraid of losing a court battle, which they could not lose because we do everything on our side appropriately & document everything, but the district just doesn't want the expense of paying a lawyer & going to mediation, so the top goal is to bend bend bend in order to keep the parent happy.

It could easily be a similar scenario with the bully in this thread. Disabled or not, they might have an enabling parent who threatens the school whenever she gets in trouble. School administrators & districts can be notoriously cowardly, unfortunately. The best solution to that as a parent is to fight fire with fire and threaten legal action yourself.

This kind of thing is one reason why I have my son in private school.

 

[mjkacmom]

This is the post that I'm referring to in all my comments; not the OP's daughter's situation.

Oh ok, in that case both the bully and the victim were special needs.

 

[monsterkitty]

This is the post that I'm referring to in all my comments; not the OP's daughter's situation.

I'm a teacher and have a kid in my class who behaves aggressively towards others at times, but I literally cannot discipline him (I have been directly ordered not to by administration, despite the fact that he has been aggressive toward a severely disabled child

This is a very rare instance. If that were the policy in most schools teachers would leave the profession even faster than what they're doing now.

We did have a principal who tried this. We filed a grievance for unsafe working conditions after multiple attempts to get him to change his policy. He blamed the district, of course, for the policy. He was asked to retire or resign at the end of that school year.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

Same here. I think I would LOL if the school called the cops over a teenage girl fight. Like I said before. What a waste of time and resources.

My son got into one scuffle at school (it was literally a pushing match in gym). I think he was in 8th grade. He got suspended for one day. Life went on.

Yeah, I know I’m old enough to have gone to school in the last century and all, but student fights, theft, bringing alcohol or weapons on property, etc. were all handled by the school administration. Police only got involved if bullets were fired or there was a bomb threat.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yeah, I know I’m old enough to have gone to school in the last century and all, but student fights, theft, bringing alcohol or weapons on property, etc. were all handled by the school administration. Police only got involved if bullets were fired or there was a bomb threat.

I'm guessing columbine adjusted things. FWIW the policies I mentioned have been in play for at least 15-20 years in my area adjusting with the rise of social media though.