Make your own will?

teller80

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Has anybody used one of those willmaker kits, ala Nolo? Did you feel comfortable with it? or should I bite the bullet and use a lawyer? It's going to be a pretty straightforward will. And you're talking to the person who probated her parents wills by herself, so I'm not afraid to do some legwork. thanks!
 
Do the legwork to find a local estate planning attorney who will thoroughly discuss with you and explain to you the law in your state (just one reason this is not a do-it-yourself project), will know the right questions to ask you to make sure that all eventualities are covered so that your wishes will be carried out the way you intend with no unintended consequences for your heirs.
 
I guess it depends on you estate and heirs and your comfort level.

I am assuming you already have a revocable living trust.

Nolo's will kit is $50. Attorneys around here charge about $100 for a simple will. For a $50 saving, I'm not sure I would feel it was worth not having an attorney do it.

We had to probate my MIL's estate. She had a will but did not have the house and car set up properly. She WORKED for a law firm and she balked at paying the small fee they would have charged her to do it properly, less than $100, so we ended up spending six months and $2,000 to get it probated.

My mom had everything set up perfectly. Although the trust form for the house she used did throw the title company until their lawyers looked at it. It was one page, notorized, and apparently was a form that the county recorder used to do for like $5 at their office if you wanted your house in a trust. One of the title company lawyers said all the estate lawyers put pressure on the county to stop doing those forms, so they did. The form addressed all the points required by law, and was properly recorded. I think the other issue is it was recorded in 1967, and apparently they don't see a lot of trust documents done 45 years ago, before ANY of the title company lawyers were even born!
 
I guess it depends on you estate and heirs and your comfort level.

I am assuming you already have a revocable living trust.

Nolo's will kit is $50. Attorneys around here charge about $100 for a simple will. For a $50 saving, I'm not sure I would feel it was worth not having an attorney do it.

I don't really see the value in a trust, what am I missing?

And good point on the $50, I'll have to see how much an attorney around here charges.
 

Trust ME :rotfl2:

Most people would do WELL to have a living trust.

I had a deadbeat brother try to contest my mom's plan and he went to hire a lawyer, when the lawyer saw that mom had a living trust, his lawyer basically told him forget about it.

BUT, basically, if you care about your survivors, a living trust makes things about 1000 percent more easy. I have dealt with the death of a few relatives, and I have been the trustee for all of them.

None of them particulary rich, but their living trusts made my job simple. I DID NOT EVEN HAVE TO PROBATE THEIR POUR-OVER WILLS, because everything was covered by the trusts.

My mom had a "trust mill" attorney -- one of the ones who go around to the community senior centers and nursing homes to give free talks -- do her trust, but, seriously, trusts are exceedlingly simple and his $150 trust did the job perfectly fine for mom.

After that, I just copied mom's trust and adapted it for two other aunts and myself.

Here are a couple of links. I would read them if I were you and then make your own decision.

https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/top-three-benefits-of-a-living-trust

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/revocable-living-trusts.html
 
Good information. I need to figure this out as I'm divorced but want to make sure my assets would go to my parents to be used for my children rather than to my ex. I almost took care of this a few months ago when I had an across the country business trip but felt overwhelmed and ran out of time.
 
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Trust ME :rotfl2:

Most people would do WELL to have a living trust.

I had a deadbeat brother try to contest my mom's plan and he went to hire a lawyer, when the lawyer saw that mom had a living trust, his lawyer basically told him forget about it.

BUT, basically, if you care about your survivors, a living trust makes things about 1000 percent more easy. I have dealt with the death of a few relatives, and I have been the trustee for all of them.

None of them particulary rich, but their living trusts made my job simple. I DID NOT EVEN HAVE TO PROBATE THEIR POUR-OVER WILLS, because everything was covered by the trusts.

My mom had a "trust mill" attorney -- one of the ones who go around to the community senior centers and nursing homes to give free talks -- do her trust, but, seriously, trusts are exceedlingly simple and his $150 trust did the job perfectly fine for mom.

After that, I just copied mom's trust and adapted it for two other aunts and myself.

Here are a couple of links. I would read them if I were you and then make your own decision.

https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/top-three-benefits-of-a-living-trust

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/revocable-living-trusts.html


living trusts are fine-so long as all the property/assets are set up in the trust AND KEPT THERE!

mom was like allot of seniors who depended on the interest her savings garnered to supplement her income so she would keep track of when her cd's were maturing and often move them to new banks for better interest rates. problem was when she moved them she didn't set them up in the living trust name so that took them outside the trust:scared: then there were the very sentimental family items she had that over the 30 or so years her living trust existed she choose to gift (during her lifetime) to certain family members. not a peep of a complaint was raised about these during her lifetime, but all it takes is one sibling to raise a complaint and if they've got the money for a lawyer it can be argued that mom illegally dispersed items in the trust (b/c of the wording that all of her physical property was included-and she decided to gift them when she downsized into an apartment:guilty:).

same can be said with wills though-unless you set things up so whomever is executing them can easily deal with items it can be a pain. with the will we dealt with the biggest pain was a car. it along with everything else was to be evenly divided, but in many states a car can't get transferred for a period of time (we dealt w/45 days) and in the meantime try getting an insurance company to insure for a deceased person OR as executor your insurance company to insure for a car not titled in your name (and the dmv/dol won't transfer title after the waiting period unless it's been insured over the waiting period):scared::scared: all it would have taken was getting the equivalent to a pod on the car title to make this a non issue.

nolo's books on wills and estates are great-I would recommend getting one, reading it and THEN making an appointment w/a lawyer. you will save the money by not having to ask allot of questions, and you can make sure your estate is set up for the state you live in (and if you have an inkling you might move out of state when you retire the lawyer can look to that as well cuz states REALY differ on their laws).
 
living trusts are fine-so long as all the property/assets are set up in the trust AND KEPT THERE!

mom was like allot of seniors who depended on the interest her savings garnered to supplement her income so she would keep track of when her cd's were maturing and often move them to new banks for better interest rates. problem was when she moved them she didn't set them up in the living trust name so that took them outside the trust:scared: then there were the very sentimental family items she had that over the 30 or so years her living trust existed she choose to gift (during her lifetime) to certain family members. not a peep of a complaint was raised about these during her lifetime, but all it takes is one sibling to raise a complaint and if they've got the money for a lawyer it can be argued that mom illegally dispersed items in the trust (b/c of the wording that all of her physical property was included-and she decided to gift them when she downsized into an apartment:guilty:).

same can be said with wills though-unless you set things up so whomever is executing them can easily deal with items it can be a pain. with the will we dealt with the biggest pain was a car. it along with everything else was to be evenly divided, but in many states a car can't get transferred for a period of time (we dealt w/45 days) and in the meantime try getting an insurance company to insure for a deceased person OR as executor your insurance company to insure for a car not titled in your name (and the dmv/dol won't transfer title after the waiting period unless it's been insured over the waiting period):scared::scared: all it would have taken was getting the equivalent to a pod on the car title to make this a non issue.

nolo's books on wills and estates are great-I would recommend getting one, reading it and THEN making an appointment w/a lawyer. you will save the money by not having to ask allot of questions, and you can make sure your estate is set up for the state you live in (and if you have an inkling you might move out of state when you retire the lawyer can look to that as well cuz states REALY differ on their laws).

All great points. Not sure there is any legal issue on her dispersing personal items if they were in the trust though, assuming she owned the trust. The owner of the trust has that right. The attorney who set our trust up generally says any physical item worth less than $50,000 probably should not be in a trust.
 
That probably will work fine. Reality is, you will never know.

The survivor of the first spouse to pass will know if there are problems and may then learn what might have been done to eliminate some or all of those problems if the proper planning had been done with a qualified attorney.
 
The survivor of the first spouse to pass will know if there are problems and may then learn what might have been done to eliminate some or all of those problems if the proper planning had been done with a qualified attorney.

Yeah, that is true I guess in some states. All the more reason for professional advice.
I'm in California and the way my parents had their estate plan, my mom didn't have to do anything with the house, car or bank accounts when my dad died in 1967, nor did I when she passed away last year. (Not counting Social Security, or her Pension plan or her live insurance, they all wanted copies of the death certificate).

But that's what living trusts are for in states that allow them, to make transfer of ownership seamless.
 
I'm a lawyer. There is the idea of you get what you pay for. No one wants to shell out money for something not fun like an estate plan. It looks like you are near Ohio, etc so I don't know what the laws are in your state. In Michigan probate is fine and doesn't have to be avoided. However we use a trust for many with minor kids so that if both parents die before the kid is 18 that minor doesn't get all the money left for them at 18! You can control distribution with a trust. I have also seen many of those wills in a box kits filled out improperly.
 
i'll just add that in addition to a will or trust one of the kindest documents a person can leave whomever is left to deal with their final affairs is a listing of information that includes (but is not limited to) the following-

names of utility companies w/phone number (including whose name the account is under/account number)-it's hard enough to cancel service when you're not authorized as a contact on the account, harder still when you find out 'mom' never changed it out of 'dad's' name when he passed 30 years earlier (then you have to find dad's death certificate and paperwork on how any deposits were to have been paid on his death)

names of companies with contracts/phone number/account numbers-things like life alert, cell phones, home warranties...

list of credit cards/account numbers/if established-passwords. much easier to go down a list to call each and determine if there's anything owed vs. having to wade through bank statements (and it's a nightmare if deceased did all on-line payments and go e-statements)

list of life insurance/death benefits potentially eligible to-again, a nightmare to track down without information

list of former addresses, and ideally something that showed the deceased lived there at one time-mom passed 4 years ago and there's still a small amount of money on one state assessor's unclaimed property site but we will never be able to get it b/c we can't prove she's the named person b/c we have nothing that links her to the decades old address


location of any storage lockers and ideally a spare key-never would have located one except a hospitalization caused non payment of the rent so we found a phone message from the facility on her answering machine


location of last few years of tax returns-it can at least provide a guideline for how the final year's taxes should be completed (esp. if someone has obscure deductions or sources of income).


finally-if you receive or will potently receive a pension, find out what whomever administrates it requires to have on file to report your death/arrange for any eligible survivors to receive on-going benefits/apply for any lump sum payouts or life insurance. this is especially the case if a government employer is involved-we had a nightmare dealing with CalPERS:faint::faint:


oh-and it's REALY nice if you can include with the above items notarized copies of your birth certificate, marriage certificate, any predeceased spouse's death certificates b/c if they are needed it can take upwards of months to get them from some counties:(
 
i'll just add that in addition to a will or trust one of the kindest documents a person can leave whomever is left to deal with their final affairs is a listing of information that includes (but is not limited to) the following-

names of utility companies w/phone number (including whose name the account is under/account number)-it's hard enough to cancel service when you're not authorized as a contact on the account, harder still when you find out 'mom' never changed it out of 'dad's' name when he passed 30 years earlier (then you have to find dad's death certificate and paperwork on how any deposits were to have been paid on his death)

names of companies with contracts/phone number/account numbers-things like life alert, cell phones, home warranties...

list of credit cards/account numbers/if established-passwords. much easier to go down a list to call each and determine if there's anything owed vs. having to wade through bank statements (and it's a nightmare if deceased did all on-line payments and go e-statements)

list of life insurance/death benefits potentially eligible to-again, a nightmare to track down without information

list of former addresses, and ideally something that showed the deceased lived there at one time-mom passed 4 years ago and there's still a small amount of money on one state assessor's unclaimed property site but we will never be able to get it b/c we can't prove she's the named person b/c we have nothing that links her to the decades old address


location of any storage lockers and ideally a spare key-never would have located one except a hospitalization caused non payment of the rent so we found a phone message from the facility on her answering machine


location of last few years of tax returns-it can at least provide a guideline for how the final year's taxes should be completed (esp. if someone has obscure deductions or sources of income).


finally-if you receive or will potently receive a pension, find out what whomever administrates it requires to have on file to report your death/arrange for any eligible survivors to receive on-going benefits/apply for any lump sum payouts or life insurance. this is especially the case if a government employer is involved-we had a nightmare dealing with CalPERS:faint::faint:


oh-and it's REALY nice if you can include with the above items notarized copies of your birth certificate, marriage certificate, any predeceased spouse's death certificates b/c if they are needed it can take upwards of months to get them from some counties:(

Great list! I recently made a password protected excel file and give my sister the file's name and password just in case. I may have missed some of the items you listed, but I'll go back through now. Without it, it would be quite challenging to locate everything.
 
i'll just add that in addition to a will or trust one of the kindest documents a person can leave whomever is left to deal with their final affairs is a listing of information that includes (but is not limited to) the following-

names of utility companies w/phone number (including whose name the account is under/account number)-it's hard enough to cancel service when you're not authorized as a contact on the account, harder still when you find out 'mom' never changed it out of 'dad's' name when he passed 30 years earlier (then you have to find dad's death certificate and paperwork on how any deposits were to have been paid on his death)

names of companies with contracts/phone number/account numbers-things like life alert, cell phones, home warranties...

list of credit cards/account numbers/if established-passwords. much easier to go down a list to call each and determine if there's anything owed vs. having to wade through bank statements (and it's a nightmare if deceased did all on-line payments and go e-statements)

list of life insurance/death benefits potentially eligible to-again, a nightmare to track down without information

list of former addresses, and ideally something that showed the deceased lived there at one time-mom passed 4 years ago and there's still a small amount of money on one state assessor's unclaimed property site but we will never be able to get it b/c we can't prove she's the named person b/c we have nothing that links her to the decades old address


location of any storage lockers and ideally a spare key-never would have located one except a hospitalization caused non payment of the rent so we found a phone message from the facility on her answering machine


location of last few years of tax returns-it can at least provide a guideline for how the final year's taxes should be completed (esp. if someone has obscure deductions or sources of income).


finally-if you receive or will potently receive a pension, find out what whomever administrates it requires to have on file to report your death/arrange for any eligible survivors to receive on-going benefits/apply for any lump sum payouts or life insurance. this is especially the case if a government employer is involved-we had a nightmare dealing with CalPERS:faint::faint:


oh-and it's REALY nice if you can include with the above items notarized copies of your birth certificate, marriage certificate, any predeceased spouse's death certificates b/c if they are needed it can take upwards of months to get them from some counties:(

My dad passed away in 1967 from cancer. He had a year to get his affairs in order. He left my mom a hand written list of directions for things around the house and the car. I found it when my mom passed away last year. Under "Car" it said...."water pump, or generator go out, fix it. Burn a bearing in the engine, buy a new car".
My mom did the same thing, and updated it annually. It was so helpful. The funeral director however was a little shocked by her notes that said "when picking a casket, if they take you to the right, go left, that's where the cheaper caskets are, try and stay below $200" These days they don't have caskets on site, you pick one from a book. And a cardboard casket for cremations is more than $200. A casket for burial is going to cost close to $1,000.
 













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