Major Rumor Marvel in ToT update page 25

[Spacedog1975]

Also just because you don't like something doesn't mean it should go or that everyone else feels the same.

Good advice for all things in life.

 

[DDLand]

I find this amusing. Disney typically can't be bothered to fix its most popular rides and do basic upkeep (who said anything about Space Mountain?). Now here they are and there's a faction that wants to re theme one of the most popular rides in the park? Funky times.

Keep in mind that Bob Weis, the creative lead of the now defunct MGM Studios, worked on Tower of Terror.

Weis’ previous projects include creative leadership over Disney’s Hollywood Studios and the Tower of Terror attraction, as well as conceptual design for Tokyo DisneySea.

~Disney Parks Bio

It seems like he would be interested in saving or at the very least improving the attraction. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out!

Of course I've never been on ToT before so I don't care one or another. I do like its exterior though, and I'd hate to lose the aesthetic continuity.

I'm just going to say this makes me scared for other Disney attractions though. Even DAK could fall to silly people.

 

[DDLand]

And replace him with a CEO who will completely cut ties with Marvel and even Lucasfilm. Someone who hates franchises and will attempt to run the parks the way he thinks Walt would've done.

Look up True Life Adventures. Movie Franchises are part of Disneyland's DNA. I do agree we've skewed too far one way, but franchises can be good in their own right.

How about someone who likes both? Pixar is a franchise too so are you saying get rid of them? I don't care they have marvel and lucasfilm. They can surely own them and invest in the parks they have the money for it.

Does Pixar count? I thought Pixar was a creator of franchises. For example Cars is a franchise of Pixar like Frozen is a franchise of WDA. Or something like that. I wouldn't mind if some executives did more Pixar hating at WDW, but that's just me. Lol

 

[rteetz]

Look up True Life Adventures. Movie Franchises are part of Disneyland's DNA. I do agree we've skewed too far one way, but franchises can be good in their own right.

Does Pixar count? I thought Pixar was a creator of franchises. For example Cars is a franchise of Pixar like Frozen is a franchise of WDA. Or something like that. I wouldn't mind if some executives did more Pixar hating at WDW, but that's just me. Lol

If you look at it that way marvel and lucasfilm aren't franchises either. Star Wars itself would be the franchise iron man would be a franchise etc.

 

[Indy #1 Fan]

Really? Zootopia is a Walt Disney Studios original and just had the biggest opening in company history.

Also just because you don't like something doesn't mean it should go or that everyone else feels the same.

I'd actually be in favor of tearing Avatar out of AK and replacing it with Zootopia. And I would be willing to get rid of any attractions or franchises in the parks that I don't like (i.e. banning Frozen from the parks in favor of Tangled and putting back Maelstrom, changing Test Track back to its original version, changing Star Tours back to its 1987/89 self, bringing Dreamfinder back to Imagination, keeping the studio theme at MGM/DHS, bringing back the Skyway, bringing back Snow White's Scary Adventures, kicking Jack Sparrow out of POTC, and above all: kicking out Stitch to bring back Alien Encounter.)

 

[quagmire0]

IMO, DHS needs this major overhaul. While it did have some charming experiences here and there, a lot of the attractions are woefully out of date. I like both ToT and RnR, but agree that Twilight Zone and Aerosmith are very dated entities. I do agree though that it would seem awfully difficult to properly re-theme ToT.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

And replace him with a CEO who will completely cut ties with Marvel and even Lucasfilm. Someone who hates franchises and will attempt to run the parks the way he thinks Walt would've done.

Yeah I'm with rteez and spacedog1975 on this. Walt was a big family man and in my opinion revolutionized the amusement/theme park industry. But as I've said before every company has to evolve and adjust to stay relevant. People are not the same as they were when DLR opened much less when WDW first opened. That being said the current management in my opinion is listening to only one thing...the expected profits provided to them at the start of a project. I have no problem with integrating new and future IP but you have to keep a balance of new (current or future ventures) and old (classics). This is in response to them adjusting ToT with an overlay or completely redoing it. USO lost some of my fondness for it when it took out JAWS and put in HP. I love HP but with all the 3d/4d stuff they put in now they've lost the balance of classic and new.

Pixar can stay and I don't like Marvel, I like DC better because of Superman.

Marvel and Lucasfilm have prevented Disney from creating anything of their own. It's like they've run out of ideas and are too chicken to take risks like Walt because they are afraid they will lose money like they did after DCA originally opened.

I like some DC movies but to me they are more miss than hit and the problem they seem to have is a to lack of a script and actor/actress power that Marvel brings to the table-although we'll see how their reboot of Superman over time pans out and how Suicide Squad and Justic League ends up).

And yes they have been relying heavily on the Marvel universe and Star Wars as they did pay hefty amounts for them but they still do have original works. Although I'm also not the biggest fan of releasing sequel after sequel after sequel of their animated films (such as Toy Story 4 and Cars 3-don't shoot me ) and to an extent the live action remakes of their beloved animated classics though in my opinion they've maintained enough of a distance to the classic animated films that I am able to truly appreciate both the live action remakes and the animated classics (though the animated will always be my favorite).

 

[rteetz]

I'd actually be in favor of tearing Avatar out of AK and replacing it with Zootopia. And I would be willing to get rid of any attractions or franchises in the parks that I don't like (i.e. banning Frozen from the parks in favor of Tangled and putting back Maelstrom, changing Test Track back to its original version, changing Star Tours back to its 1987/89 self, bringing Dreamfinder back to Imagination, keeping the studio theme at MGM/DHS, bringing back the Skyway, bringing back Snow White's Scary Adventures, kicking Jack Sparrow out of POTC, and above all: kicking out Stitch to bring back Alien Encounter.)

Just a point I would like to make. Disney does what the masses want not what you want. It's not that I don't like some of your ideas it's just they'll never happen.

 

[Indy #1 Fan]

USO lost some of my fondness for it when it took out JAWS and put in HP. I love HP but with all the 3d/4d stuff they put in now they've lost the balance of classic and new.

That's why is USO died on January 2, 2012 to me and If I ran USO, I'd rip out Diagon Alley and put back Jaws. I'd even get rid of the Simpsons and put back Back to the Future the Ride, bring back Kongfrontation, and even try to get Nickelodeon to bring back the studio and give kids a chance to get slimed on TV again. I'd keep USO and USH stuck in the 1990s.[/QUOTE]

I like some DC movies but to me they are more miss than hit and the problem they seem to have is a to lack of a script and actor/actress power that Marvel brings to the table-although we'll see how their reboot of Superman over time pans out and how Suicide Squad and Justic League ends up).

I think every single DC movie is better than every Marvel movie and yes, even Batman & Robin.

Just a point I would like to make. Disney does what the masses want not what you want. It's not that I don't like some of your ideas it's just they'll never happen.

Well if I were CEO of Disney I would cater only to the hardcore fans and the "purists" and force the masses to become just like them. I don't care what the masses want, only what I feel Walt would have wanted. I also have sometimes wished the 80s hostile takeover attempt of Disney succeeded and this management never came. We need time travel so fans can mess around with Disney's past like Marty McFly.

 

[rteetz]

Well if I were CEO of Disney I would cater only to the hardcore fans and the "purists" and force the masses to become just like them. I don't care what the masses want, only what I feel Walt would have wanted. I also have sometimes wished the 80s hostile takeover attempt of Disney succeeded and this management never came. We need time travel so fans can mess around with Disney's past like Marty McFly.

Were you close with Walt? How do you know what he would have wanted? It's possible he would very well like how Disney is today. In terms of business it's actually smart Disney doesn't cater to the hard core fans.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

That's why is USO died on January 2, 2012 to me and If I ran USO, I'd rip out Diagon Alley and put back Jaws. I'd even get rid of the Simpsons and put back Back to the Future the Ride, bring back Kongfrontation, and even try to get Nickelodeon to bring back the studio and give kids a chance to get slimed on TV again. I'd keep USO and USH stuck in the 1990s. I think every single DC movie is better than every Marvel movie and yes, even Batman & Robin. Well if I were CEO of Disney I would cater only to the hardcore fans and the "purists" and force the masses to become just like them. I don't care what the masses want, only what I feel Walt would have wanted. I also have sometimes wished the 80s hostile takeover attempt of Disney succeeded and this management never came. We need time travel so fans can mess around with Disney's past like Marty McFly.

I personally love the campy batman and robin movies but it was heart of the 90s and campiness worked then..the ones from the late 80s-early 90s not so much. I should mention that in the T.V. series realm both DC and Marvel are working out. The 90s were great for sure (at least IMO) but things in general change at a breakneck speed whereas the 90s was a slower time.

With all due respect it appears that you would like Disney and USO to be exactly what they were when they respectively opened with no changes period to them at all. But the truth is they cannot be that way and stay afloat.

However, both WDW and USO IMO are slipping in the balance category. WDW is pushing make $$$$$ over other things while USO is pushing 3d/4d leaving out a variety for people to experience. That being said I don't want the parks to stay stagnant forever I just want a better balance made between the old/beloved with the new and messing with ToT is a big no no for me whereas RnRC suits itself very well to handle theme adjustments while still maintaining the overall integrity of what makes the ride.

 

[Planogirl]

USO always promised to change over time. They do use too many screens but I still blame that on a lack of space. I miss Jaws too but I can't deny the success of the Harry Potter areas. Jaws wasn't bringing them in unfortunately.

Hopefully USO will find a better balance when they use the new land for something. I don't know what to say about Disney nowadays.

 

[PuppyJonathan]

USO always promised to change over time. They do use too many screens but I still blame that on a lack of space. I miss Jaws too but I can't deny the success of the Harry Potter areas. Jaws wasn't bringing them in unfortunately.

Hopefully USO will find a better balance when they use the new land for something. I don't know what to say about Disney nowadays.

I always felt the studios bet too much on trends. Harry Potter isn't so much a fad, as is Fast and the Furious, but I don't like when people are always like "Universal is changing and adding so much!" whenever all their doing is kicking out something outdated in the Studios while Islands is going to have only it's sixth new attraction in the park's 17-years of operations. It's only the one park that is changing, not the whole resort

 

[rteetz]

Spirit urges those who dislike this to contact Disney execs such as Chapek, George Kalogridis, Joe Rohde, Disneyland execs, anyone above the guest relations line.

 

[Planogirl]

I always felt the studios bet too much on trends. Harry Potter isn't so much a fad, as is Fast and the Furious, but I don't like when people are always like "Universal is changing and adding so much!" whenever all their doing is kicking out something outdated in the Studios while Islands is going to have only it's sixth new attraction in the park's 17-years of operations. It's only the one park that is changing, not the whole resort

The Studios does seem to change more often but then it's older. It'll be interesting to see what they do after Kong.

 

[BattyKoda]

I think every single DC movie is better than every Marvel movie and yes, even Batman & Robin.

Ok, you no longer get to talk about movies... Batman & Robin is better than every Marvel movie? I get that you prefer one brand over the other, but that's just crazy talk.

 

[Goofy2015]

Spirit urges those who dislike this to contact Disney execs such as Chapek, George Kalogridis, Joe Rohde, Disneyland execs, anyone above the guest relations line.

Ha, give me there number and I will contact them. Honestly, the best thing to do is to protest via social media. If a strong negative reaction appears on multiple social media venues, I think Disney executives will get the point that this was the worst idea ever suggested in the history of ideas. I am not talking about the history of Disney ideas, I am talking about ideas in general.

I cannot imagine walking down Sunset and seeing a sign for 'The Collector's Tower of Terror". I mean for Christ sake, they want to make a ride about one of the most irrelevant characters in the MCU. Even Six Flags executives are laughing at this idea.

So once a negative reaction is seen on social media, the Disney executives will circle around the person who suggested the idea and force them to ride Stitches Great Escape until the ride closes forever, which will be in 2042. Why 2042, because that is how long it is going to take for Disney executives to realize how terrible that attraction is.

 

[mikepizzo]

I'm sorry, I usually don't post, but this is getting ridiculous...

And I would be willing to get rid of any attractions or franchises in the parks that I don't like

I'm sure everyone would love to get rid of stuff they don't like

I'll just leave these here in regards to all of Indy's #1 Fan posts:

"I'm as pure as Disneyland fanatics can get," Tony Baxter told The Los Angeles Times in 1995 as the park embarked on a fateful program of change, "When a new ride comes and an old one drops out, there are bound to be twinges. But it has to happen, or (Disneyland) becomes a museum and an arthritic collection of things people were attached to in the '60s."

"It's always been this way at Disneyland," added Marty Sklar, who began working for the company as park publicist before it opened in 1955, "It was like on opening day, the one real dynamic was change… Walt's famous quote was 'Disneyland will never be completed as long as there's imagination left in the world.' "

Now while I understand that the above is in reference to Disneyland, the same can be said for Walt Disney World. Change is going to happen...get over it. If you don't like it, then don't go. Change is not inherently a bad thing. What if Walt Disney never wanted to "change" how amusement parks worked? What if he never wanted to "change" how storytelling could be told with animated features? We wouldn't have Disneyland/Walt Disney World. We wouldn't have Disney Studios Animation. Hell, we wouldn't even have these boards to complain on.

I think the Guardians of the Galaxy overlay to Tower of Terror sound preposterous, but if it happens then it happens. A lot of people think poor decisions ruin the original. If anything, I think it makes the original better. It allows people to truly appreciate what the original was. Plus, nothing has happened yet. We still have time to send our emails to the appropriate Executives to voice or concerns. If they listen to them or not is something different.

Let's not forget about Walt Disney's Enchanted Tiki Room. The "under new management" was just terrible. Very few liked it. And look what happened...it's gone back to (more or less) the original. Just because something changes doesn't mean it won't change back. It may take some time, but if it's meant to change back, it will change back.

Change is inevitable. Sometimes it will be good, sometimes it will be bad, but it always will be.

 

[eXo]

I'm sort of stunned by how far this thread has gone into the "what-if" world.

Some stuff that should be noted, per screamscapes post on this:

"Again... this is all just a proposal, and from what I'm hearing the concept has been pitched as both a permanent change as well as just a temporary overlay over the existing attraction. "

But more importantly:

"Unfortunately the rumor mill got a hold of this way too soon, and have already started to spread rumors of the concept taking over the Florida Tower of Terror which is mechanically very different from the others and has evolved over the years into serving as the virtual icon of that entire park. In addition, many would be quick to point out that the Tower of Terror represents what many feel is the pinnacle of WDW attraction design. Now, this isn't to say that WDW doesn't know about the plan, as they do, and I'm sure they too have played the "What If?" game to see what would happen if they jumped on the bandwagon. So while anything is possible... this was not the original intent. Nor was sticking another clone in Tokyo DisneySea for that matter. So for now... this is all we know, and nothing has been decided anywhere for any attraction. It's just a proposal, so put away the torches and pitchforks for now."

This is very true. Regardless of how much you think Iger wants to murder Disney, the HS ToT is *not* built the same way as any of the others. A retheme would have to be fundamentally different. On top of that, Marvel has no reason for presence at HS right now. The entire point of a GoG retheme would be to capitalize on a phase 3 MCU release schedule. HS is knee deep in Star Wars and Pixar through that entire time period. Does anyone here honestly believe they would pull ToT down for a retheme while so much of the park is unavailable?

Now, the important part here is that Disney *HAS* let on they are interested in marvel in Florida, but that has led people to assume that it means it is this GoG ToT abomination.

Yet again on ScreamScape, today they posted the following:
http://www.screamscape.com/html/industry_news.htm#Disney

Bullet points:
* Talks would begin next fiscal year (after Oct. 1, 2016)
* Disney would negotiate to have Universal drop its exclusive rights to exclusive theme park rights east of the Mississippi.
* In exchange Universal would recieve: exclusive rights to all characters Disney doesn't have movie rights to (X-Men, Spiderman, Fantastic Four)
* Disney also would ask them to drop the use of the word Marvel in their parks
* Third, Universal holds film rights to any hulk solo films. Disney would like these film rights.

Screamscape calls it a "win/win" for both sides, but these terms seem much more heavily favored towards Disney. Universal ALREADY HAS "exclusive rights" to the Fox marvel characters, and honestly, they would gain nothing from this as it is currently worded. Presumably money would be involved in this as well, however with Shanghai draining their bank accounts, I would suggest this is not the best year for them to try and negotiate something like this.

I'd also note that the final part of the post gets into ludicrous territory. It starts discussing Warner wanting Universal to build DC based rides. Fans of the history of IoA would know that Marvel Superhero island was originally designed as Gotham. They already blew that chance. DC is still second fiddle in the movie market and branding wise. It would make no sense for Universal to give up their iron grip on the marvel rights just to spend tons of money rethemeing to a lesser brand. It is lost income during closure, lost money on rethemes, and all for what? Walking away from characters that Disney is giving tons of free value too?

 

[pork]

Spirit urges those who dislike this to contact Disney execs such as Chapek, George Kalogridis, Joe Rohde, Disneyland execs, anyone above the guest relations line.

Sounds like he spoke to soon and now he's back peddling. I'm sure he'll claim it was his letter writing campaign that saved ToT though.