Major Impulse Purchase Made This Morning

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OMG- I just got 5 tickets to Orlando for this October.
We have been toying with the idea of going one more time before Ds turns 3 and before our oldest turns 10 (Disney Adult Age).
I used our FF miles and an old travel voucher and I had to pay just over $100 total out of pocket.
Now FINGERS CROSSED- please don't go out of business before October USAir! :sad2:
I can't wait to tell the kids- but I better wait until we know for sure USAir is still going to be operating then.
Anyway- I am just bursting and wanted to share!
 
Have a great trip!

We always travel US Airways. I'm ready to book for our November trip but I'm really afraid to. At least you were able to use FF and voucher, $ 100 isn't that bad, other than the terrible disappointment if they go under. Good luck.
 
Let's hope that it's $100 well-spent. I just cleaned out my USAir FF account a couple of weeks ago. DH and I are spending our 20th anniversary in the Bahamas. As far as I'm concerned they can go out of business on June 1st but I'll keep hoping that they stay solvent until after October for your sake.
 

Thanks everybody- I thought it would be better to have tickets in hand than FFs if they do go under. Another airline might have a sweet deal for people with tickets. A long time ago when Eastern went out of business we were holding tickets to CA and USAir stepped up and gave us tickets for a $40 processing fee per ticket. We shall see what happens.
 
Hope there is no trouble with your tickets. I booked Delta for Oct, which is having financial problems, so I'm nervous as well......
 
I wouldn't be nevous about Delta. As USAir has been showing... going into bankruptcy doesn't really impact day to day flights.
Also, the congress passed a law, if a bankrupt scheduled carrier quits flying the other airlines have to honor the tickets on a standby basis and can charge no more then about $50 for that.
 
CarolA said:
I wouldn't be nevous about Delta. As USAir has been showing... going into bankruptcy doesn't really impact day to day flights.
Also, the congress passed a law, if a bankrupt scheduled carrier quits flying the other airlines have to honor the tickets on a standby basis and can charge no more then about $50 for that.

Not only that, when a carrier enters bankruptcy, they have more stringent safety and procedural oversight. I certainly hear people say "I'm afraid to fly them -- they're broke!" But if anything, it's safer to fly on a carrier in bankruptcy to one that is teetering on the edge!

Good luck -- I certainly hope USAir hangs on as I still have a lot of miles left, and it's just sad to think about all those people out of work if they go under! :(
 
I am in the same boat. I aready have my trip planned and most paid for but I fly ATA and afraid to buy tickets from them as they are dropping flights left and right. They are based of of here in Indiana and say they will keep there flights to Orlando but its hard to believe and trust them.
 
Tara and CarolA- Thanks so much for your informative posts. I love this board- I went to the transportation board and was asking about USAir and should I use my FFs... hoping that someone would know what would happen if they went under but I got very little response. You budget board people know everything. I love it here!
 
CarolA said:
As USAir has been showing... going into bankruptcy doesn't really impact day to day flights.

Obviously, you don't fly out of Pittsburgh much. As a business traveller who flies out of Pittsburgh regularly, I certainly have noticedd the routes have been scaled back and there certainly are less flights available and more cancellations.

CarolA said:
Also, the congress passed a law, if a bankrupt scheduled carrier quits flying the other airlines have to honor the tickets on a standby basis and can charge no more then about $50 for that.

Well, that is not the whole truth. Here is some further info regarding other airlines obligation to honor a bankrupt carrier's tickets.

FYI from http://www.hasbrouck.org/articles/bankruptcy.html

If a bankrupt airline in the USA goes out of business, will other airlines have to honor their tickets?

Yes, but only other USA-based airlines flying exactly the same routes (which there aren't in many cases), only if space is available (which it probably won't be in many cases), and only until 18 November 2005.
Under the USA Aviation and Transportation Security Act of 2001 (Public Law 107-71, 19 November 2001) the Century of Aviation Reauthorization Act of 2003 (P.L. 108-176, 12 December 2003), and the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (8 December 2004) other airlines based in the USA are required to provide transportation to holders of tickets on other USA-based airlines that have ceased operations due to insolvency or bankruptcy, "to the extent practicable", provided that the passenger makes arrangements with another airline within 60 days of the shutdown of the ticketed airline. The USA Department of Transportation has interpreted this in a series of guidance letters (administrative rulings) to mean that other USA-based airlines flying the exact same route are required to honor tickets of a USA-based airline that shut down, on a space-available (standby) basis, for no more than US$25 per person per flight, one-way.
Other airlines filed a federal lawsuit (Delta Air Lines, Inc. and American Airlines, Inc. vs. U.S. Department of Transportation, Case No. 02-1309 (U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, filed October 8, 2002) challenging the $25 per flight limit as exceeding DOT's authority: they argued that they should be allowed to charge at least their regular $100 per person minimum re-ticketing fee, and that they have no way to verify whether someone had an electronic ticket in the reservation system of an airline whose reservation system has been shut down. That lawsuit was withdrawn by the airlines, but without any decision on the merits. The DOT has reiterated that other airlines may not charge more than US$25 per flight, but the airlines could -- and probably would if the potential costs were substantial -- challenge any attemopt by the DOT to enforce its interpretation, prevent them from charging more, or force them to accommodate passengers without positive written proof of having had tickets on the bankrupt airline.
This law provides no protection at all to many ticket holders, and only very limited protection to the rest. It was intended to reasssure travellers, not really to protect them. It applies only to other airlines based in the USA flying exactly the same route, and only if they have space available after selling as many tickets as they could to their own paying passengers. If a major airline goes out of business, many passengers will have to wait weeks for seats to be available, especially at that airline's hubs. Particularly on international routes, there is often no other USA- based airline flying the same route (i.e. serving the same destination from the same gateway -- even when two or more USA-based airlines serve the same international desitnation, they typically do so from different gateways in the USA). No other airline based in the USA flies the same route as any of US Airways' or hawaiian Airlines' international routes, for example.
This law requiring airlines to accommodate passengers holding ticket on insolvent airlines was originally scheduled to expire on 18 May 2003. Congress has extended it three times, most recently through 18 November 2005, but each time with a "sunset" provision that will cause it to expire automatically unless Congress takes further action.

There is no guarantee that you will be able to get another flight.

I hope for many people's sake that US Airways is able to hang on but it is very much in doubt right now. At least if they do go under you haven't lost much (~$100). Here's hoping for a little bit of :wizard: for you and all the others with future flights booked on US Airways (and other bankrupt carriers.)
 
USAirways have been talking bankruptcy for several years. I haven't been able to book a FF flight for the last 3 years with them, so we have tons of miles as well. Maybe I should try and book one for Sept. AirTran's non stop flights have us spoiled! Still, I hate to loose all those miles. Wonder if other airlines will let us use our miles!!!
 
ceecee said:
Wonder if other airlines will let us use our miles!!!

You can use miles on Star Alliance partners (United, Varig, etc.) but there are also restrictions but certainly worth checking out!!!
 
CheapMom said:
now I'm scared again

I would certainly plan on having alternative plans for transportation (driving, etc.) or making sure that your plans are flexible/refundable.

Sorry to cause you angst but I wouldn't want you to think that yours plans are completely safe!!!
 
Since the tickets are FF redemptions, why would any carrier be obligated to accept them if the issuer went out of business? I think the protections are in place for "paid" tickets, while most carriers would not accept FF redemptions. I would contact the issuing airline and verify what would be procedure should this happen. We were booked to sail on the Big Red Boat when they went bankrupt, and it took over 2 years to get a refund. Anyone who was redeeming rewards of FFs for part of costs were in the lowest ranked groups to obtain refunds. I was lucky, I received all of my money- many others were not. Better to be safe and contact the airline.
 
They aren't all ff redemptions and I don't see why it should matter how I paid for the tickets.
 
CheapMom said:
They aren't all ff redemptions and I don't see why it should matter how I paid for the tickets.

It may matter on the tickets that are ff awards because they aren't officially paid fares. They are technically a gift from the airline. In the case of a paid fare, you are an unsecured creditor of the airline. They may be honored by another airline but it certainly is a gray area.
 
CheapMom (love the name since I'm also known as CheapDad!) Thought I'd let you know we have FF & paid fare tickets for our "extra AP" trip after Thanksgiving. USAir has come a long way since last December when all you heard was doom & gloom. Things are better today. Will they go out of business before November? Will United go out of business before November? I'm betting they won't. For USAir info check out www.flyertalk.com . Click on "forums", and USAir Dividend Miles. Enjoy your vacation.
 


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