Main Street is no place for corporate branding

[KellyNY]

Edy's-the rest have beverages.

You made my day!

 

[WDSearcher]

Nestle Company c1905
Edy's Ice Cream c1928
Coca Cola c1886


Starbucks c1971

Which one doesn't belong?

Nestle. It's the only one that could be considered "turn of the century" (usually defined as the period between 1890–1914).

 

[freshmanjs]

If you want to reduce posters point to that, OK then, but it is clear that other 3 companies mentioned belong to the same era as Main Street and SB does not. Not that this actually bothers me but point is clear regardless.

no that is not clear. 1928 is not the same era as 1900.

 

[mdsoccermom]

Sanctity of Main Street? This is where things get out of hand. Disney is not a house of worship. It is not a religion. To consider anything of Disney to be holy is just plain ludicrous.

 

[NJRRK]

Nestle Company c1905
Edy's Ice Cream c1928
Coca Cola c1886

Starbucks c1971

Which one doesn't belong?

Nestle, the others are domestic (USA) corporations.

 

[KellyNY]

no that is not clear. 1928 is not the same era as 1900.

There is no such thing as just 1900 era, it does not consist of only 1 year if you want to be correct. How long was particular era I cannot say on a spot, and I am too lazy to search actual numbers but one for sure 1928 belongs there more then 1971, clearly different era.

 

[freshmanjs]

There is no such thing as just 1900 era, it does not consist of only 1 year if you want to be correct. How long was particular era I cannot say on a spot, and I am too lazy to search actual numbers but one for sure 1928 belongs there more then 1971, clearly different era.

ok so just so we're clear, the problem with starbucks is the year the company was founded?

 

[declansdad]

I haven't read this whole thread but I will say the title says it all: Starbucks does NOT belong on Main Street. Main Street should be the opening credits of the Magic Kingdom park and should give a feel of turn of the century American small town. Starbucks ruins that "feel" and taints the opening credits. I have no problem with Starbucks in parts of the parks where it doesn't diminish the theming but on Main Street it's just WRONG. All the justification of Walt using corporate brands is baseless, Walt's branding on Main Street always fit in with turn of the century America-Coke and Carnation were around in early 1900's.

I truly believe this is a bad move for Disney and is a corporate sell-out in the grandest sense.

Using your logic, the only merchandise that should be available on Main Street would be items from the turn of the century.

 

[KellyNY]

ok so just so we're clear, the problem with starbucks is the year the company was founded?

Are we repeating another thread pattern, asking questions already answered, running in circles and so on?

 

[brunette8706]

You do understand this is unprecendented don't you?
You do understand Walt's intention of Main Street don't you?
You do understand the importance and sanctity of Main Street don't you?

Have you ever read a Walt Disney biography?

Do you just look at WDW as a "theme park" in need of some decent coffee?

Yes, I am serious. And that's position, mock it if you want. Perhaps I am missing your more "intellectually reasonable" explanation. Have a magical Day!

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Well said.

 

[freshmanjs]

Are we repeating another thread pattern, asking questions already answered, running in circles and so on?

just trying to make sure i understand. it is such an absurd argument. the amount of change required to remove everything that is not turn of the century era from main street would be massive. i hope to see the petitions requesting such asap.

 

[siskaren]

Where did you get this information? Please point me to the source. Thanks.

You claimed to have read the post immediately before your first post in this thread, which quoted the source.

 

[Burnedout]

So it isn't be products, coffee and pastry, but the year the company began?? That is nutty!! What is the justification for all of the china made junk in the stores?

 

[declansdad]

I've tried to figure out why having Starbucks on Main Street bothers me more than other corporations, and it boils down to a couple things for me.

First, the "cult" of Starbucks. There are so many people I know for whom their morning Starbucks is a ritual. People act in a certain way inside a Starbucks (in my town, often hurriedly, rudely, blinders on to the rest of the world until they get their fix), they have their own culture (got the whole country to say 'Venti' instead of 'Large'). People seem proud of how complex and difficult their orders are, as though it's a badge of honor, and the company encourages this. My fear is that this corporate culture and the Starbucks "groupies" behavior will bleed into Main Street.

Second, because as someone above said, there's going to be an obnoxious line out the door first thing in the morning, crowding up the street right at a time when a lot of people are passing through.

(I have to admit to agreeing a tiny bit with the poster who says that it doesn't fit in with the turn-of-the-century theme, although it's true that this has never stopped Disney before.)

I could be wrong on all counts. I so hope I am.

Discussing the "cult of Starbucks" is quite amusing on a DISNEY discussion board that probable has some of the biggest Disney fans around.


As to your second point, there are plenty of obnoxious lines throughout the Disney parks now. They don't need Starbucks for that.

 

[Taytortots]

I thought i'd jump in here for a second, even though I haven't spoken yet.
I also believe in keeping the sanctity of main street. By this I don't mean that Disney is in any way my religion or Disney World is holy ground. I believe in it keeping with it's theming.
And so what if people would like it to stay the same. Is that so wrong? Why can't main street be a sacred thing for some people? I know my mother walks into the park, and remembers her grandfather, now passed, taking her to Disney for the first time when she was a child. And that's a cherished memory. There are many memories there, and I can understand perfectly why somebody wouldn't want main street to be changed.
Main street sets the stage for the entire park. You go in, and you're supposed to be transported into the magic (so to speak). Starbucks isn't exactly magical in any sort of way. On on top of that Main street bakery is quite beloved. And, yes, they say they will keep some old favourites, but not all of them.
Personally, i'd like to see things stay the same.

 

[brunette8706]

Personally, I would have loved the donut shop coffee, even maxwell house, anything other than Starbucks. I just do not like that bitter, tin like taste, but hey that's just me. lol!

 

[Burnedout]

Starbucks is a cult, but someone used sanctity and Main Street in the same breath?

 

[KellyNY]

just trying to make sure i understand. it is such an absurd argument. the amount of change required to remove everything that is not turn of the century era from main street would be massive. i hope to see the petitions requesting such asap.

Of course it is absurd argument, it is not yours.

 

[freshmanjs]

I thought i'd jump in here for a second, even though I haven't spoken yet.
I also believe in keeping the sanctity of main street. By this I don't mean that Disney is in any way my religion or Disney World is holy ground. I believe in it keeping with it's theming.
And so what if people would like it to stay the same. Is that so wrong? Why can't main street be a sacred thing for some people? I know my mother walks into the park, and remembers her grandfather, now passed, taking her to Disney for the first time when she was a child. And that's a cherished memory. There are many memories there, and I can understand perfectly why somebody wouldn't want main street to be changed.
Main street sets the stage for the entire park. You go in, and you're supposed to be transported into the magic (so to speak). Starbucks isn't exactly magical in any sort of way. On on top of that Main street bakery is quite beloved. And, yes, they say they will keep some old favourites, but not all of them.
Personally, i'd like to see things stay the same.

Main Street gets changed all the time. In fact, the facade of the bakery was just completely redone so even the bakery is not the same as it was a year ago.

 

[declansdad]

You do understand this is unprecendented don't you?
You do understand Walt's intention of Main Street don't you?
You do understand the importance and sanctity of Main Street don't you?

Have you ever read a Walt Disney biography?

Do you just look at WDW as a "theme park" in need of some decent coffee?

Yes, I am serious. And that's position, mock it if you want. Perhaps I am missing your more "intellectually reasonable" explanation. Have a magical Day!

Sanctity of Main Street?? Really??