LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

Some people extol the virtues of Universal's Express Pass system to provide preference to guests of their on-site resorts. I suppose it is wrong of Disney to give preferential treatment to their on-site guests, the ones spending the most money, filling the beds, and fattening the bottom line? I guess you are anti-Extra Magic Hours as well?

Universal's Express Pass works well for those who don't like to plan also not to mention those that have an A or B plan. Which is what I did based on how the weather was for the day. Tack on the difficulty picking the water park day based on the weather 60 days in advance. The Express Pass doesn't inhibit those at all.
 
Some people extol the virtues of Universal's Express Pass system to provide preference to guests of their on-site resorts. I suppose it is wrong of Disney to give preferential treatment to their on-site guests, the ones spending the most money, filling the beds, and fattening the bottom line? I guess you are anti-Extra Magic Hours as well?
As I said earlier, it is fair to debate that point. One just has to concede that there is actually an advantage in order to have the debate. As for the substance of you post, why, then, didn't Disney give these advantages to on site guests before? Before, on site got EMH but no FP advantage. Why can't it be the same way now? Disney's hotels are already up over 80% in occupancy. Anything over 90% isn't realistic. So Disney ups the advantage to try to squeeze 4 or 5 percentage points out of its hotel occupancy rates? I suppose there is value to that. But it comes at a public relations cost, especially when FP usage climbs to the level where we start to see a real divide between 60 and 30.
 

What info do you have that makes you say that? Was there a satisfaction survey posted somewhere I missed?

I have nothing in the way of statistics- I only said don't count on it because no one knows who's in the majority or not. Sometimes you can feel like you're in the minority when you're really not and vice versa.
 
Why can't it be the same way now?
Because, as we all know, the only constant in life is change. (insert comment about candy bars and nickels, if necessary).

Things change. My experience was massaged, to my overall benefit. You got a punch to the gut for your experience, apparently. Either way, you just gotta go with it!

And hopefully you won't need sheep-p-r (name the movie reference if you can!)
 
Even as LT has borne out, even a few weeks in advance all but a handful of FP+ can be had.
Let's also not minimize the point that FP+ is supposed to assist people in planning out their days. That functionality works best when one can map out their FP return times to the specific times that best fit their plans. While it may be true that there is FP+ availability two weeks in advance, how much selecting does that person get to do? (Real, not rhetorical question...I don't have a park pass at the moment that would allow me to do a mock booking). If Soarin' is available....but only at 8:45 p.m. on a day when one want to watch Illuminations, then has FP+ fulfilled its promise of advanced planning for that guest? If that guest could have booked at 50 days out, doesn't it stand to reason that said person would have had a greater chance at getting the FP for a time that did not conflict with their also getting a good spot for Illuminations? Just having "availability" doesn't put the 30 day user on equal footing with the 60 day user.

(name the movie reference if you can!)
Just Go With It.
 
While it may be true that there is FP+ availability two weeks in advance, how much selecting does that person get to do? (Real, not rhetorical question...I don't have a park pass at the moment that would allow me to do a mock booking)..

Good point, I didn't check actual times. So I went back and looked at Soarin for this Friday and aside from the initial time it presented (which apparently is the only earliest option left) it's pretty much down to after 5pm:

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Test Track, though, still had availability as early as 9:25am.





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Good point, I didn't check actual times. So I went back and looked at Soarin for this Friday and aside from the initial time it presented (which apparently is the only earliest option left) it's pretty much down to after 5pm:

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And there it is. How many times have we heard: "Sure, you could get a FP- for Soarin' after 11:00 a.m.. But it would be late in the day when you would naturally be in WS, or would interfere with your ADR" Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. (At least insofar as later bookings are concerned.)
 
Nope, still don't like them. Dh likes them somewhat! I don't like having to plan where I want to be on a given day. We have AP's and like to go with the flow. Are here now for 14 nights, and one main thing I don't like is 'no more fast passes until all three are used' - sometimes rides we don't even 'want' to ride, but you 'have' to choose 3, then you're stuck - even if you use the three, there's never anything left worth getting a fast pass for - also can't even 'check' for something in another park unless you 'go' there first - Nope, don't like them!

It's a 'relatively' slow time last week and this, so we've been able to go on some rides standby ignoring our FP's we don't want - but this would be a 'nightmare' most of the times of year.

They 'should' let you change one or more even after you 'use' one, but no, they say the 'three' are like a 'package' and 'go' together. Definitely needs 'lots' of tweaking.

We're mostly just enjoying the ambiance of 'Disney' and being - dare I say 'hot' :yay:
and away from the snow and ice for a couple weeks. :flower1:
 
Not sure on this, but wasn't tiering always in place from the beginning?

Nope. Tiering was an "improvement" that was added later. I thought you were familiar with all this? How can you definitively state anything is an improvement if you aren't sure of the basis from which it started?

I was not one of the participants in the earliest tests of FP+. But, I thought I read on these boards that some of the earlier tests did have some sort of tiering, then some of the later ones didn't.

When a family member was first able to participate in FP+ testing for a trip in August of 2013, I was a little surprised to see that there was no tiering, but suspected that they didn't need it because the number of participants was low enough and paper FPs were still available. They were also trying to encourage people to participate in the test, so that might have helped.

When I first had a chance to use FP+ as a resort guest for trips in November and December (visiting a daughter who was working as a CM) there were no tiers when we made our reservations 60 days in advance. But, as I remember it, the tiers were put in place for reservations made in November as they were moving pretty quickly through the transition (expanding FP+ to all resort guests, eliminating the "double dipping", removing the paper FP machines, allowing advance reservations for offsite guests, etc.).

So, while it is technically true that tiering was added at some point during the testing/transition phase, it has always been part of the FP+ system when it was available to all guests. I don't really see it as a "change" or an "improvement' because I suspect that Disney always intended to have it at Epcot and DHS once FP+ was fully in place.

I will say that removing tiering is the one change I would most like to see. Selfishly, I don't care because we have always been able to do the things we want to do regardless of FPs. FP+ only makes it easier for us to be sure that we will be able to do our favorite things, and FP+ with no tiers would make it even easier. We almost always stay onsite and I like to plan ahead, so I am confident that I would be one of the ones getting more than one of the attractions that are now in Tier 1 if I want them.

My devious side would get some amusement seeing the initial glee over the removal of tiers turn to a battle as some of those who were upset that they could only get a FP for one of TT/Soarin or TSMM/RNRC find that they now can't get a FP for either. That would really turn into class warfare, primarily between the onsite guests who would be getting the lion's share of those FPs and the offsite guests who would be fighting for whatever, if anything, is left at the 30 day mark.

Because I really don't want to see too many people get upset about not being able to get a FP for either of these attractions, I hope they keep the tiers in place unless and until there is enough capacity to allow them to be removed without creating dramatically disparate experiences for different types of guests. Maybe the addition of more capacity to Soarin and TSMM, or new major attractions, will make tiering unnecessary. But, I really don't see that happening soon because it will probably take several major attractions at each park to get there.
 
And there it is. How many times have we heard: "Sure, you could get a FP- for Soarin' after 11:00 a.m.. But it would be late in the day when you would naturally be in WS, or would interfere with your ADR" Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. (At least insofar as later bookings are concerned.)

Yes, but what about getting FPs for Soarin when you aren't planning to get to Epcot until 4 PM? Then the new boss rules over the old boss.

We could go on and on with examples about when paper FP was better than FP+ and vice versa. But, these comparisons do absolutely nothing to help people with planning trips they are taking NOW. Which is why this thread has finally and mercifully been moved off of the Attractions and Strategies Board.
 
Yeah, that's just wrong.



I think it's already prevalent. I saw lots of guests with ziplock bags full of multiple sets of bands at the kiosks. I know the CM's did to. And I agree it's an easy fix from a technical standpoint (band must have been used for park entry), so why haven't they fixed it?


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Wow, I never heard of this! So some people are getting multiple accounts set up? They know about it and aren't doing anything?
 
What....stood up and said the ability to book FPs beyond your third was not an improvement over the system as first released????

Mind explaining your reasoning on that, if that is what you are saying?

see post 1860 where I explained it already...which was/is my opinion based on our experience.
 
I'm sorry that you only see the world through the lens of does it affect you personally. There have been system improvements and enhancements. They do not all affect all guests. Just because you have the opinion that these improvements did not help you, it does not mean that factually, the system has not gone through improvements.

And if you only go back to the beginning of the FP+ release- you will clearly see the system has improved in performance. You personally may still have issues, but that doesn't mean it hasn't seen improvements.

Unbelievable.

Oh please don't be sorry. I didn't know I was supposed to go to Disney and pay my money to enhance the experience for someone else. Good grief ...do you really actually believe that most people decide on whether something is an improvement for themselves by judging first how it affects other people ? Do you really think the average family is going to Disney and saying...hmmm I like x (or don't like x) but gee let me see what others think before I decide if it is an improvement.....cmon you cant be that naive
 
We like to plan some evenings in the park with daytime at DTD or resort, so evening times at Epcot are ok
 





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