LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

[cakebaker]

Ya'll, there's another park strategy thread that might be more suited for that...

I don't think that your pre-trip planning post would really help when discussing how one on the lower end of the economic scale could afford or if Disney should price so they can afford, to go to Disney. Just the 2 weeks stay and buying annual passes to different parks puts it out of reach for a lot of people.

 

[Laketravis]

Because for over 10 years you could get around 6-8 fastpasses in a day. More or less randomly, with the exception of tsm, soaring.

The business of production level aka riding as much rides as possible in a day has gone from 6ish to max of 3/4 ish. which is half the price. lol

Exactly, which I think could be a fair trade for less time spent in the park. I benefit from FP+ because I can do the things I most want to do in the span of 3 or 4 hours, WDW and other guests benefit because I leave and make room for more guests.

And that's reciprocity of terms.


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[Laketravis]

I don't think that your pre-trip planning post would really help when discussing how one on the lower end of the economic scale could afford or if Disney should price so they can afford,to go to Disney. Just the 2 weeks stay and buying annual passes to different parks puts it out of reach for a lot of people.

It's not about a two week stay, it's about a one week stay. But regardless - then start a new thread or check out the Budget board. This one is about how much you love or hate FP+


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[cakebaker]

Get your facts straight. I am not going to WDW on one night "just to ride the SDMT".


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Perhaps to avoid arguing over the validity of your post, perhaps that discussion should just stay on that thread.

 

[BugsDaddy]

Let's say that your family income is 30k a year. I would say that a lower price point for a 5 or 6 day Disney vacation for a family of four would be around 3k including possible airfare, food etc. That would be staying at a value resort. If a family is making 30k a year, it would be financially irresponsible to spend 10% of their total income for the year on this vacation (although some do). I don't think that is Disney "pricing" the majority from taking a vacation but the price points also are not set up to cater to those on a lower income nor should they be.

 

[Laketravis]

Perhaps to avoid arguing over the validity of your post, perhaps that discussion should just stay on that thread.

Just a suggestion...

And a good one - you should make it to the poster who brought it up.

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[cakebaker]

"And a good one - you should make it to the poster who brought it up."


You are free to report any and all off topic posts. That's my suggestion to anyone. This thread has bounced on and off topic since it started. I'm sure there are many off topic posts- mine and yours included.

 

[lauradis]

Exactly, which I think could be a fair trade for less time spent in the park. I benefit from FP+ because I can do the things I most want to do in the span of 3 or 4 hours, WDW and other guests benefit because I leave and make room for more guests.

And that's reciprocity of terms.


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but that only comes with going on a regular bases.

You cant compare us long time regular visitors with families that only go maybe 2-3 times in their lifetime.

Most of the new crazy planners try to get everything done in one trip. mission impossible.

FP+ really has put a big monkey wretch in the whole commando touring plans of past. I would be really pissed if I was still a commando.

 

[flicx]

Huh?? I'm not playing dumb. I'm asking seriously. Do you think Disney prices are unreasonable? $909 for a family of 3 for 3 nights is pretty good. I'm pretty sure we could not go to Universal for that (I ran them - even Cabana Bay came up more), or even to Wisconsin Dells (a low-cost locals water park area in case you're not familiar w the midwest) for the same price.

Funny I just looked at a 3day pass for 272.00 for 10 year olds and up. That's the better part of one grand before you add anything else. You baulk at my numbers?

How so? I get tons done in a day. Did with FP-, still do with FP+. In no way have I felt that Disney cut down on what I could do. As to attraction construction... well... Test Track, SDMT, Ariel, ETWB, Frozen, Star Wars, Avatar, and on and on. You may not like these, but I love them. I find the expansions happening at WDW to be inspiring. I love going. I have yet to ride the SDMT and I cannot get back there soon enough. Six Flags added a roller coaster... a world renowned one at that, which breaks several records. Yet, I still have not gone to Six Flags to ride it, and I'm already planning to go to WDW. Go figure! Clearly Disney is adding the attractions that I want. Even those out here who argue against... Lake is going to WDW on one night just to ride the SDMT.

I think it is funny you add refurbs to attractions built and character interactions too. Take them away and what do you have 2 rides and attractions that have been slated for years and recently started. Yet they spent 2 billion on the new system that you love but so many dislike or think little difference was made. They cold have built a new gate for the cost of My Magic!

Here I'd just suggest you differentiate "what is" from "what you think". I happen to think FP+ is an amazing improvement that's led to my (as well as many other guests') experience being much better.

I would say the same for you. Seems a lot like a Disney can do no wrong mentality! ( You need to look at my individual responses above in blue I did something wrong when breaking down your post) click and expand it to see what I said.

 

[cakebaker]

I would say the same for you. Seems a lot like a Disney can do no wrong mentality!

And we have come full circle.....back to the notion that if you don't like FP+, it's because of your mentality, just unable to see the truth. Because it's just not possible that anyone could really benefit from FP+.

 

[flicx]

And we have come full circle.....back to the notion that if you don't like FP+, it's because of your mentality, just unable to see the truth. Because it's just not possible that anyone could really benefit from FP+.

Again don't put words in my mouth!

 

[Laketravis]

but that only comes with going on a regular bases.

You cant compare us long time regular visitors with families that only go maybe 2-3 times in their lifetime.

Most of the new crazy planners try to get everything done in one trip. mission impossible.

FP+ really has put a big monkey wretch in the whole commando touring plans of past. I would be really pissed if I was still a commando.

Very true - I think for the economies to work it could require shorter but more frequent visits. We like going to WDW (and now USO) so we don't perceive going more as a disadvantage. In our case, our more frequent trips to WDW will be at the sacrifice of trips to other places - trips that are usually in-state and over extended weekends but typically cost the same or more as a cost-conscious jaunt to WDW could be. For instance, we recently went down to the gulf coast and stayed in a beach front hotel. Nothing fancy, but as you can probably imagine it was expensive for two nights. It took us six hours of round trip driving. Between the hotel, meals, gas, supplies for a campfire on the beach, etc. I could buy airfare, two nights lodging and maybe a rental car and only spend 2 hours flying each way nonstop to/from Orlando.

Would we rather spend an extended weekend at WDW than the beach? Have you been to a Texas beach in February?

FP+ means we can reserve several things to do during those days, spend less time in the parks doing it and more time over the span of the trip doing other things. Disney came up with a way to increase attraction yield with FP+ so we will use it to increase our effective fun yield, if you will.

Apply that rationale 4, 5, even 6 additional times a year and it might work even when including the cost of the AP's.


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[wisblue]

Again don't put words in my mouth!

Your words were "Disney can do no wrong mentality", which amount to the same thing, if not worse.

 

[lauradis]

And we have come full circle.....back to the notion that if you don't like FP+, it's because of your mentality, just unable to see the truth. Because it's just not possible that anyone could really benefit from FP+.

This is never going to stop.

Disney spoiled us with very little waiting in lines during fp- over 10 year, for no extra cost.

Some guest haven't been going before 1999 era of fp-, they don't remember waiting in lines

They took away little waiting in line and replaced with a system, I like. But to others its horrible. I feel for them.

Cake you have to see it from their side, too. fp+ really has messed up what we have learned to ride as many rides as possible.

 

[flicx]

Your words were "Disney can do no wrong mentality", which amount to the same thing, if not worse.

Yet another opinion to what I was saying which is not correct. Please read everything .

 

[lauradis]

Heck FP+ is even screwing with RD.

The early bird doesn't get as many worms with FP+ being in place.

 

[MrInfinity]

I would say the same for you. Seems a lot like a Disney can do no wrong mentality!

Do you not want to discuss it?

You've made some comments about Disney's price, but you won't clarify if you think the price is high, low, or about right. (?)

You said there are no improvements. I say that Disney has, and is going thru a flurry of major renovations not heard of at the MK for 30 years. I love them. Pretty much every park is getting new stuff. I am already going back and eagerly want to ride the SDMT and see the new Soarin track... and I'm planning to go back again once Avatar opens, and then again when Star Wars opens -- at which point HS might become a 2-day park for us! I can't wait.

You said improvements are too slow. Yet, other guests complain about too much construction. This is a lose-lose. You can't both construct and not have construction. I think D does a good job of balancing here.

And you state things like how the points you speak of are fact.

I accept that my views are my preference. *I* ride tons, because of FP+. If you can't, that's cool. Be upset, or look for what you could do differently, or just be content riding less and that's that. But me, I've found I am able to get my family of 6 on rides all day long. Headliners. With consistent short waits, and in ways that were never possible with FP-. I am not riding less, nor unaware of what one did in the past.

So all I claim is that it is possible to ride a lot. Not that you did. I do not think everyone will, nor will everyone love planning, or like doing things differently. For all these reasons, I concede that you and many other guests might not like FP+. I do not go saying FP+ is great, period, like you say it's bad. But I do feel that you can learn to use it well, or not, or whatever you feel is the best use of your time. And I feel it is the right strategy for Disney as a company. And it helps me tour.

You cannot discount that I had an amazing trip with FP+, rode tons! We're talking Soarin and TT multiple times, mountains over and over, and TSMM and RR multiple times on a busy day, plus JTA. So you should not assert that Disney "cut down on what a guest CAN get done in a day". I happen to get a ton done in a day. Maybe it cut down on what YOU got done in a day. There is a big difference here.

 

[cakebaker]

Cake you have to see it from their side, too. fp+ really has messed up what we have learned to ride as many rides as possible.

Not that you should take the time to read my history of posting, but I've made it abundantly clear I understand the problem that FP+ has created for those people. I have agreed over and over that FP+ does not work for people who like to do what I refer to as "power ride".

What might come across to you as not understanding- is that I think it's a good thing that they stopped it. I think more guests getting to ride is more important than a few guests getting to ride a lot.

 

[wisblue]

Yet another opinion to what I was saying which is not correct. Please read everything .

It is not an opinion on what you said. It is an exact quote from post 1649.

If you want to try to say that those words were taken out of context, go ahead.

 

[cakebaker]

Heck FP+ is even screwing with RD.

The early bird doesn't get as many worms with FP+ being in place.

This early bird does- it's just a different way of attacking the same issue and the different way works better.....for me. Anytime someone says this, that or the other is better- they ought to include the words "for me", because it's different for many others.