LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

[jade1]

Oh goody! We've moved on to complaining about the price hike. I knew we'd get someday!!

Yep-the one we all created.

 

[JimmyV]

Well, except that back then--the multi day passes were cheaper and the park hopping included for free.

Yes. A family who stayed for 3 days in 1988 would have spent less than a family staying for 3 days now. Back then, 3 or 4 days was probably the average length of stay. Now, I think it is 6. At 6 days, people spend $54 per day, which is $27 in 1988 dollars, but alas, no park hopping. But they are getting FPs, which people didn't have in 1988. So that has to be worth something...right?

 

[Cormoran]

It was there by the time I read it. Whether or not you added it later is moot.

Not moot, because I never quoted the entire post, nor did I edit my reponse. Post #1144 was my 1st post and I did not quote anyone and post #1156 is the one where I quoted the part of the post I was responding to. There are no edits in either one of these reponses. So, what I originally posted is there as originally stated.

 

[flicx]

An 8 day pass for an adult nets out to $43.13 per day. A room can be had for under $150 per night. Show me a country club with those prices. Heck. Find me a public golf course with prices like that.


Was it much cheaper in the 70's and 80's. As noted above, an 8 day pass today costs $43.13. Using the calculator that you provided, that is $21.55 per day in 1988 dollars. What did a three or five day pass cost in 1988? (Pretty sure that 5 was as high as they went).

So 3 days at $68 comes out to $22.67 per day. That is $45.37 per day in today's money. Granted, you have to buy an 8 day pass to get that per day savings, but it can be had.

Actually a golf membership where I am at runs about 400 a year. Pretty nice place too. Now that Disney has taken away the no exp feature families who can't afford to stay for 7 to 10 days will pay substantially more. I know I can't leave for long periods for vacation so its a massive increase for us!

 

[jade1]

Yes. A family who stayed for 3 days in 1988 would have spent less than a family staying for 3 days now. Back then, 3 or 4 days was probably the average length of stay. Now, I think it is 6. At 6 days, people spend $54 per day, which is $27 in 1988 dollars, but alas, no park hopping. But they are getting FPs, which people didn't have in 1988. So that has to be worth something...right?

And 2 more parks.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Not moot, because I never quoted the entire post, nor did I edit my reponse. Post #1144 was my 1st post and I did not quote anyone and post #1156 is the one where I quoted the part of the post I was responding to. There are no edits in either one of these reponses. So, what I originally posted is there as originally stated.

Perhaps you like to hash this out further, but as of post 1295--which you are welcome to read, I will consider this matter closed.

 

[Cormoran]

Are you implying that what you said was not what you said when you said it and that you said it in such a way as to mean something completely different from what you said? Because if that is what you are going to say, then I already know what you really meant to say and didn't say it because you knew I'd figure it out.

And I bet you thought you'd get away with it! So there!




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Well neener neener to you too!!

 

[JimmyV]

Actually a golf membership where I am at runs about 400 a year.

Wow! I would be lucky to find anything for 10x that amount. And a decent public course will run you $65 or more with some being substantially more than that.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Yes. A family who stayed for 3 days in 1988 would have spent less than a family staying for 3 days now. Back then, 3 or 4 days was probably the average length of stay. Now, I think it is 6. At 6 days, people spend $54 per day, which is $27 in 1988 dollars, but alas, no park hopping. But they are getting FPs, which people didn't have in 1988. So that has to be worth something...right?

I think the tickets should be compared for comparable features. Park hopping was included and should not be ignored.

 

[flicx]

Yes but if you continued to buy passes as the prices increased-you contributed to the exact problem you are talking about. Now if you bought these in the 80's, and have not gone back because of price hikes-then you did not contribute to the problem.

Been over a decade since I last bought tickets. They were under 500 for 10 days no exp plus water parks. I can go to Disney quest and waterparks for years, I probably have 20 visits built up.

 

[flicx]

Wow! I would be lucky to find anything for 10x that amount. And a decent public course will run you $65 or more with some being substantially more than that.

My area you can still get 18 and a cart for 25 bucks most days.

 

[JimmyV]

I think the tickets should be compared for comparable features. Park hopping was included and should not be ignored.

Tough call. It is not mandatory to buy. And not mandatory to use. We always had the "option" because it came with the ticket. But we never used it. And we don't use it now. So I don't know where I stand on including in the comparison the cost of a feature that one does not have to have nor use. In the end, if a family is struggling to find a way to go to WDW and is pricing out the options, odds are they are going to skip the hopper option. So while this academic exercise may be invigorating, if we are really complaining about WDW becoming a country club, I choose to look at the problem as: what does someone have to spend to go there? And the answer would be the least expensive option. Remember, that back in the day, you only had the two original hotels. There was no "value" option. So in comparing prices today, do we compare only the Contemporary to the Contemporary and ignore the fact that someone on a strict budget could, if they chose, stay at Pop?

 

[Cormoran]

I stand corrected.

You posted a statement without a quote and then later quoted the part you were referring to.

It was a simple error on my part.

That said, the rest stands. MK did just finish an expansion. So including MK was not really a correct part since they did recently complete a project that added 3 attractions, 2 of which were rides.


ETA: I now understand what you mean--you posted an additional post with quote rather than edited a prior quote. For clarity, the quote would have been helpful the first time to clear up any misunderstandings of what you meant.

Great , glad it's all straightened out. thanks.

 

[cakebaker]

Remember, that back in the day, you only had the two original hotels. There was no "value" option.

Wasn't Fort Wilderness there? I'm not sure, we didn't go until 1987 and as I recall those were still the only options.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Wasn't Fort Wilderness there? I'm not sure, we didn't go until 1987 and as I recall those were still the only options.

Yes. Not sure when it opened, but I camped there about 1981.

But that was meant as a camping option and not so much a value hotel option. Maybe that is what JimmyV meant.

 

[JimmyV]

Wasn't Fort Wilderness there? I'm not sure, we didn't go until 1987 and as I recall those were still the only options.

It was. But I don't recall if it had rentable cabins or just camp sites. If the latter, then it wasn't a practical option for non-camping people. My next door neighbor was the very first person I knew who went to WDW in June, 1972. They drove their camper down and stayed at FW. We arrived about 3 weeks later and stayed at the Contemporary. For about $35 per night. I still have the receipt somewhere.

Simultaneous posting with LLP. Yes, that is what I meant.

 

[Cormoran]

Best comment on the podcast I heard- for the little I listened because it tends to put me to sleep....

"Sure, improvements are great, but do they have to do them all at once???"
I guess now they're doing too much.

I'm a big believer in pixie dust, but even I know they don't just wave a magic wand and new attractions appear overnight.

Oh goody! We've moved on to complaining about the price hike. I knew we'd get someday!!

Speaking of the podcast- You should listen to last weeks broadcast. They had some really funny stuff to say about that.

Prediction was, there would be a collective freak out on the boards, people will claim they're not going back, they'll scream the world is going to end and then they'll all go back to planning their vacations. They got a great laugh out of it. Funny stuff to listen to.

Wait a second, I thought you said the podcasts were boring.

 

[flicx]

Tough call. It is not mandatory to buy. And not mandatory to use. We always had the "option" because it came with the ticket. But we never used it. And we don't use it now. So I don't know where I stand on including in the comparison the cost of a feature that one does not have to have nor use. In the end, if a family is struggling to find a way to go to WDW and is pricing out the options, odds are they are going to skip the hopper option. So while this academic exercise may be invigorating, if we are really complaining about WDW becoming a country club, I choose to look at the problem as: what does someone have to spend to go there? And the answer would be the least expensive option. Remember, that back in the day, you only had the two original hotels. There was no "value" option. So in comparing prices today, do we compare only the Contemporary to the Contemporary and ignore the fact that someone on a strict budget could, if they chose, stay at Pop?

Just as an interesting side note. My grandmother stayed in the contemporary not long after it opened, in the tower for 25 or 28 dollars a night. Can't remember which she said.

 

[JennaDeeDooDah]

For what it's worth, here is a list of the resorts and when each opened.

Polynesian - October 1, 1971
Contemporary - October 1, 1971
Fort Wilderness - November 19, 1971
Grand Floridian - July 1, 1988
Caribbean Beach - October 1, 1988
Yacht Club - November 5, 1990
Beach Club - November 19, 1990
French Quarter - May 17, 1991
Dixie Landings/Riverside - February 22, 1992
All Star Sports - April 24, 1994
Wilderness Lodge - May 28, 1994
All Star Music - November 22, 1994
Boardwalk - July 1, 1996
Coronado Springs - August 1, 1997
All Star Movies - January 5, 1999
Animal Kingdom Lodge - April 16, 2001
Pop Century - December 14, 2003
Art of Animation - May 31, 2012

 

[cakebaker]

Wait a second, I thought you said the podcasts were boring.

They are- your point?